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Old 08-29-2021, 02:01 PM   #1
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Predicting the final 53

Here's my prediction for the final 53. Not a lot of surprises, but a couple difficult decisions.

Offense - 26
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen
RB Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissic, Jaret Patterson, Peyton Barber
WR Terry McLaurin, Dyami Brown, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Curtis Samuel, Cam Sims, Adam Humphries, DeAndre Carter
TE Logan Thomas, John Bates, Sammis Reyes
OL Charles Leno Jr., Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Ereck Flowers, Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff, Sam Cosmi, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen

Defense - 24
DE Chase Young, Montez Sweat, James Smith-Williams, Shaka Toney
DT Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Tim Settle
LB Jamin Davis, Cole Holcomb, Khaleke Hudson, Jon Bostic, David Mayo
DB Kendall Fuller, Jimmy Moreland, Landon Collins, Kamren Curl, Bobby McCain, William Jackson III, Benjamin St-Juste, Torry McTyer, Deshazor Everett, Jeremy Reaves, Troy Apke

ST - 3
Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Camaron Cheeseman
Returning kicks/punts - DeAndre Carter, Jaret Patterson


A couple notes:
OL - We are finally rid of the Wes Martin experiment. Larsen wins the backup Center job. I feel like the OL is full of starting caliber players.

WR - I wanted to keep Milne, but there's just no room. Carter wins the last WR spot due to his return abilities.

TE - I chose Sammis over Ricky based solely on potential. It's a toss-up to me.

DB - I struggled with the decision between Apke and Johnson. It is obvious to me that the coaches feel more comfortable with Apke than Johnson in the secondary. Johnson is a solid ST player, but it appears (at least in the eyes of the coaches) that Apke offers more overall. Hopefully he doesn't actually see the field much as a Corner - but you could probably say that about both of them.
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Old 08-29-2021, 04:10 PM   #2
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Re: Predicting the final 53

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Here's my prediction for the final 53. Not a lot of surprises, but a couple difficult decisions.

Offense - 26
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen
RB Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissic, Jaret Patterson, Peyton Barber
WR Terry McLaurin, Dyami Brown, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Curtis Samuel, Cam Sims, Adam Humphries, DeAndre Carter
TE Logan Thomas, John Bates, Sammis Reyes
OL Charles Leno Jr., Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Ereck Flowers, Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff, Sam Cosmi, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen

Defense - 24
DE Chase Young, Montez Sweat, James Smith-Williams, Shaka Toney
DT Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Tim Settle
LB Jamin Davis, Cole Holcomb, Khaleke Hudson, Jon Bostic, David Mayo
DB Kendall Fuller, Jimmy Moreland, Landon Collins, Kamren Curl, Bobby McCain, William Jackson III, Benjamin St-Juste, Torry McTyer, Deshazor Everett, Jeremy Reaves, Troy Apke

ST - 3
Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Camaron Cheeseman
Returning kicks/punts - DeAndre Carter, Jaret Patterson


A couple notes:
OL - We are finally rid of the Wes Martin experiment. Larsen wins the backup Center job. I feel like the OL is full of starting caliber players.

WR - I wanted to keep Milne, but there's just no room. Carter wins the last WR spot due to his return abilities.

TE - I chose Sammis over Ricky based solely on potential. It's a toss-up to me.

DB - I struggled with the decision between Apke and Johnson. It is obvious to me that the coaches feel more comfortable with Apke than Johnson in the secondary. Johnson is a solid ST player, but it appears (at least in the eyes of the coaches) that Apke offers more overall. Hopefully he doesn't actually see the field much as a Corner - but you could probably say that about both of them.

I read somewhere that RR wanted to keep 10 OL. Perhaps he was counting Cheeseman, since long-snapper is technically an OL.
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Old 08-29-2021, 04:39 PM   #3
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If that is the case, I would probably add K Ismael due to his ability to play guard and center, and remove a DB... probably would be Jeremy Reaves
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Old 08-29-2021, 05:13 PM   #4
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Heard Ron give Wes Martin some praise but have never heard him mention ismael, I think they will both being going to the practice squad though.
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Old 08-29-2021, 09:46 PM   #5
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Hot take here: I think Jaret Patterson has played his way onto a roster spot.
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Re: Predicting the final 53

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Here's my prediction for the final 53. Not a lot of surprises, but a couple difficult decisions.

Offense - 26
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen
RB Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissic, Jaret Patterson, Peyton Barber
WR Terry McLaurin, Dyami Brown, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Curtis Samuel, Cam Sims, Adam Humphries, DeAndre Carter
TE Logan Thomas, John Bates, Sammis Reyes
OL Charles Leno Jr., Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Ereck Flowers, Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff, Sam Cosmi, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen

Defense - 24
DE Chase Young, Montez Sweat, James Smith-Williams, Shaka Toney
DT Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Tim Settle
LB Jamin Davis, Cole Holcomb, Khaleke Hudson, Jon Bostic, David Mayo
DB Kendall Fuller, Jimmy Moreland, Landon Collins, Kamren Curl, Bobby McCain, William Jackson III, Benjamin St-Juste, Torry McTyer, Deshazor Everett, Jeremy Reaves, Troy Apke

ST - 3
Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Camaron Cheeseman
Returning kicks/punts - DeAndre Carter, Jaret Patterson


A couple notes:
OL - We are finally rid of the Wes Martin experiment. Larsen wins the backup Center job. I feel like the OL is full of starting caliber players.

WR - I wanted to keep Milne, but there's just no room. Carter wins the last WR spot due to his return abilities.

TE - I chose Sammis over Ricky based solely on potential. It's a toss-up to me.

DB - I struggled with the decision between Apke and Johnson. It is obvious to me that the coaches feel more comfortable with Apke than Johnson in the secondary. Johnson is a solid ST player, but it appears (at least in the eyes of the coaches) that Apke offers more overall. Hopefully he doesn't actually see the field much as a Corner - but you could probably say that about both of them.
I have the same Offense/Defense/ST break down (26/24/3), with some slight differences.
Mainly I think there's no way we keep Apke over impressive rookie Darrick Forrest.
Maybe David Bada makes the team and Reaves doesn't though ?

I keep the exact same Olinemen as you, because I think Schweitzer, Lucas and Charles are quality backups with a lot of versatility and the rest of the back ups were horrible in PS. I also have Larsen over Ismael not because of a huge talent difference, but because you need one ready to go back up center, and I'm not sure Ismael is.

26
QB: Fitz, Heinicke, Allen
RB: Gibson, Barber, McKissick, Patterson
OL: Leno, Flowers, Roullier, Scherff, Cosmi, Charles, Schweitzer, Lucas, Larsen
TE: Thomas, Bates, Reyes
WR: McLaurin, Samuel, Brown, Humphries, Cam Sims, AGG, Carter

24
DL: Young, Payne, Allen, Sweat, William-Smith, Ioannidis, Settle, Toney (+Bada by cutting Reaves?)
LB: Holcomb, Davis, Bostic, Hudson, Mayo (god... we have no depth there, maybe Jared Norris makes the team over Mayo... who knows, who cares...)
DB: WJ3, Fuller, Collins, Curl, Moreland, St Juste, McTyer, McCain, Forrest, Everett, Reaves (might get cut if Bada makes the team?)

3
P Way
K Hopkins...?
LS Cheeseman
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Re: Predicting the final 53

Side note, a surprise could be Darryl Roberts making the team... maybe over Reaves ?
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Old 08-30-2021, 11:35 AM   #8
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TE suddenly scares me. We have no one behind Thomas. If he gets injured ... can Turner and this offense operate without him? Surprised RR and staff went with 2 rookies to back up Thomas.

Disappointed if we carry Reaves and Apke. Pick one, I dont think either are NFL 53 man roster worthy.

3rd corner being a rookie ... not ideal.

LB group looks weak. Rookie plus below avg JAGs.

We have 17M or so in cap space. I would like to see us add a vet CB and LB if the right player gets cut. KJ Wright is also still out there. If he can being the right leadership and mindstate, without being like "this is what we did in Seattle" .. I think KJ Wright would complete this D. He'd tie the room together.
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EVERYONE is complaining about the LB room.

They need to be cleaning up on other team's cuts at LB. What we have is not good enough. Any injury to a starter and we're fucked.
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EVERYONE is complaining about the LB room.

They need to be cleaning up on other team's cuts at LB. What we have is not good enough. Any injury to a starter and we're fucked.
Itís early but my problem is just Bostic. Heís done.

Davis is gonna take a second to get that position
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TE suddenly scares me. We have no one behind Thomas. If he gets injured ... can Turner and this offense operate without him? Surprised RR and staff went with 2 rookies to back up Thomas.

Disappointed if we carry Reaves and Apke. Pick one, I dont think either are NFL 53 man roster worthy.

3rd corner being a rookie ... not ideal.

LB group looks weak. Rookie plus below avg JAGs.

We have 17M or so in cap space. I would like to see us add a vet CB and LB if the right player gets cut. KJ Wright is also still out there. If he can being the right leadership and mindstate, without being like "this is what we did in Seattle" .. I think KJ Wright would complete this D. He'd tie the room together.
If Logan goes down, you can pick up someone like RSJ off free agency.
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If Logan goes down, you can pick up someone like RSJ off free agency.
... and get RSJ type production.

Turner seems to rely heavily on TE.

Im scared to see this offense without Thomas.
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... and get RSJ type production.

Turner seems to rely heavily on TE.

Im scared to see this offense without Thomas.
I would have been scared to see last year's offense without Thomas. I think our wideout group is better than last year's, so losing Logan for a few games would not be terrible. Although, I must admit that I'd feel better about the wideout group if Curtis Samuel's health wasn't such a big question mark.
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TE suddenly scares me. We have no one behind Thomas. If he gets injured ... can Turner and this offense operate without him? Surprised RR and staff went with 2 rookies to back up Thomas.

Disappointed if we carry Reaves and Apke. Pick one, I dont think either are NFL 53 man roster worthy.

3rd corner being a rookie ... not ideal.

LB group looks weak. Rookie plus below avg JAGs.

We have 17M or so in cap space. I would like to see us add a vet CB and LB if the right player gets cut. KJ Wright is also still out there. If he can being the right leadership and mindstate, without being like "this is what we did in Seattle" .. I think KJ Wright would complete this D. He'd tie the room together.
I am fine with our TE's, Logan is the premiere, but Bates and Reyes seemed serviceable at least. Ricky Seals Jones would step in if needed. That said, anytime you have a top 5-10 player at their position, you aren't likely to be the same offense if they go down. That is as true of CY as it is Logan.

I was looking at KJ Wright info yesterday, and I just think he wants too much and also too much of the "this isn't Seattle" mind you mentioned. I would not be upset if they brought him in but I could also see it tipping the locker room the wrong way.

LB's are the weakest group unless Davis really gets it.
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I am fine with our TE's, Logan is the premiere, but Bates and Reyes seemed serviceable at least. Ricky Seals Jones would step in if needed. That said, anytime you have a top 5-10 player at their position, you aren't likely to be the same offense if they go down. That is as true of CY as it is Logan.

I was looking at KJ Wright info yesterday, and I just think he wants too much and also too much of the "this isn't Seattle" mind you mentioned. I would not be upset if they brought him in but I could also see it tipping the locker room the wrong way.

LB's are the weakest group unless Davis really gets it.
Or Wright wants to sign with a team that is SB contender. Things have been really quiet with him ever since the offseason so who knows why he still hasn't been signed.
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