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Old 09-29-2015, 09:34 AM   #241
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Thats 9 in the box in the clip they are showing in that article. Yet people are saying that running against an 8 man box is impossible. Its possible, you just need to want to do it. Against the Giants, we didnt make any effort to. We lined up in pass sets the whole game and made no effort to do what we do well.
Yup. J and the staff chose the gameplan. Against the Rams the mindset was clear. RUN! You can tell the difference in mindset by the difference in formations and opening script (1st ~15plays). I can see where J might have thought that the Giants secondary was ripe to be explored. It didn't work.


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Even when we ran, it was Carrier as the blocker, who run blocks worse than Reed. It was an attempt to show pass but end up running, which is fine at times. But not going to work when your QB is off.
Yup.3rd series: 3rd and 1-Stopped, blown up in the backfield-Why do we have Carrier blocking the POA? W H Y?

Having the least effective run blocker in the game to block at the POA on a key run play is a coaching mistake. A coaches job is to put players in positions to have success or at least minimize failure. Asking Carrier a limited (learning/developing) run blocker to block the POA is a fail.

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Also, all this stuff about KC being off. Yes he was, we all saw it, except the play callers. When your QB is having an off game, and he is not an elite QB, then change the play calling to help him out. Coaches do that all the time. Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, you allow them to do what they do since they have earned the benefit of the doubt. KC... Not so much. Offer him help in some way, shape, or form. Dont find something that isnt working and stick with it. The play calls were good if KC was on his game. The fact that he wasnt, and everyone saw that, means they werent good play calls.
From a football philosophy stand point...imho what you describe above is lost an many fans. Football plays work on paper. But can the players you have actually execute the Xs and Os you dial up? Coaching is all about matching the your personnel with Xs and Os that they can execute at a level, within a gameplan that allows the team to win.

But getting back to the actual game. A key play...1st Series 3rd and 2...
lets go back to last year....
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Looking at one or two yards to go, we see the Redskins running less often than the league as a whole. The NFL ran 57 percent of the time on third and short while Washington ran just 47 percent in those situations.

They were not very successful when they ran the ball. They ran 20 times on third and one or two and converted 12 times, a conversion rate of 60 percent. The league as a whole converts 68 percent of the time.

But, then again, they weren’t that good passing the ball with a yard or two to go. They converted 11 of 23 times, 48 percent. The league was successful passing on third and short 57 percent of the time.
Need to Know: Should the Redskins have run more on third and short? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

TLDR Last year 3rd and 2 or less:
Conversion % via Run=60
Conversion % via Pass=48


We have an improved OL. We have one of the best OL coaches in the league.
We have proven multiple 1,000 yard RB and a rookie that looks legit. IF we're going to be a run team. Imho 3rd and 2 is where we establish our identity.

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Old 09-29-2015, 10:43 AM   #242
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Im not sure what is worse watching the skins play or reading some of these post game experts trying to convince us that they should be coaching a NFL team..
breaking down plays and giving opinions is what most of us are on here for. that and the social stuff in the other threads.

the other option is that we actually do office work .. while at the office. i get paid too damn much for that nonsense.

Credskins - yes, self inflicted penalties have been killer. i wonder where we stand vs the league avg so far.

We are in the top third for most penalized at 8.3 per game. Oak/TB are tops at 11 and cards are best at 5.7.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...lties-per-game
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Old 09-29-2015, 02:30 PM   #243
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I know we lost. I know the Skins have lots of issues.

However, I LOVE this:

https://instagram.com/p/8OXM_ot9_Z/
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Old 09-29-2015, 02:30 PM   #244
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Penalties need to be viewed in context. For example, Jacksonville is among the teams with the fewest penalties, yet they are still not good enough to win. On the other hand, Green Bay is among the most penalized teams but they have a great QB and a stout defense, so they can overcome penalties.

I suppose that for teams with middling talent penalties could be the difference between a winning season and a losing season.
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Old 09-29-2015, 02:39 PM   #245
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Crowder! Crowder! He's our man!
If he can't do it ...
No f'ing way Roberts will.

https://instagram.com/p/8OVF12t97g/

Seriously, look how open he gets. He needs a QB with an arm and confidence and he will be a TD machine.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:41 PM   #246
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The running game was not working, face it the Giants are good at stopping the run, especially if that is what they have decided to do. So what do we do, just keep playing to their strength – no. The passing game (if executed better) would have worked. Kirk just did not have a great game. He was constantly throwing behind the receivers, made some bad decisions…also did some good things. You can’t put it all on his shoulders, but if he was more accurate, it likely would have been a different game. The bottom line is the Giants plan was to make Kirk beat them and he could not. However, the blocked punt, penalties, and the fumble going into the end zone were major contributors to this loss as well. Really just gotta clean up the untimely penalties, start creating our own turnovers and get better all-around execution and things will start looking up.

Oh and can we please stop calling for Colt McCoy and give Kirk a chance? He’s started all of 12 games, three this year (two of which I think he played pretty darn well). All QBs throw interceptions, some great ones threw a bunch early in their careers. Aikman, Favre, Manning to name a few all threw over 40 interceptions their first three years…Manning almost 60. You can’t bench him because he is making some mistakes, unless you REALLY think this is your year and you have a better option waiting in the wings… which clearly is not the case. Let him play, make mistakes, get better and the whole team will be better for your patience.
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Old 09-30-2015, 01:05 AM   #247
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Im not sure what is worse watching the skins play or reading some of these post game experts trying to convince us that they should be coaching a NFL team..truth is a high school football coach is a tough task and most of us could not coach pee wee football..even when given the facts some are so blind they continue to be in denial…When i see the redskins quit playing hard and the coach loses the locker room It will be time to consider a coach change..until that happens I will support this coach.
who's calling for a coaching change?
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Old 09-30-2015, 07:07 AM   #248
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who's calling for a coaching change?
Well, for one thing, Chico's signature calls for Gruden to be fired. There are others who have called for it, as well. Personally, I'm less of a Gruden supporter than I am someone who really, really doesn't want a coaching change if it can be avoided.
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Old 09-30-2015, 08:30 AM   #249
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Crowder! Crowder! He's our man!
If he can't do it ...
No f'ing way Roberts will.

https://instagram.com/p/8OVF12t97g/

Seriously, look how open he gets. He needs a QB with an arm and confidence and he will be a TD machine.
At the time the QB has to make the decision to throw the ball, he's no more open than the reciever that got the throw. Two things are happening there. 1, when the QB is looking at 1 receiver, the safety will cut towards that receiver leaving the other more open but it's too late the throw is made. 2, This is where QB/WR chemistry comes into play and you won't have that with a young WR 2 games into a career. QB doesn't know exactly where this kid is going to be yet. If he can keep getting into open space, he will get opportunities. Those plays don't illustrate an issue with the QB they illustrate that Crowder is doing his job and is fast. I'm pleased with that..
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who's calling for a coaching change?
There are the Gruden haters who blame everything on the coach..read the post. I for one am tired of the constant turmoil ..lets all realize this team does not have a lot of game changing talent and we need to continue to build and see where this QB situation leads to. Gruden did not have any say on the group of QB'S that are on this team ..so he is still playing with the hand dealt him. The only problem i have with the coaches is the special teams seem to be a big weakness..but think about it under Gruden the OLINE has gotten better,the Wr position is very solid,RB very very good,Te need depth..the D has gotten better across the board. the ONLY position that is really hurting the Redskins is QB!! and lord knows they have tried .. without a really QB this team is never going to be anything other than at best a 8-9 win team..where do we get that missing piece ?? They must be in short supply because The steelers have turned to Vick to lead them for now..lets see how Tomlin coaches that situation.
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There are the Gruden haters who blame everything on the coach..read the post. I for one am tired of the constant turmoil ..lets all realize this team does not have a lot of game changing talent and we need to continue to build and see where this QB situation leads to. Gruden did not have any say on the group of QB'S that are on this team ..so he is still playing with the hand dealt him. The only problem i have with the coaches is the special teams seem to be a big weakness..but think about it under Gruden the OLINE has gotten better,the Wr position is very solid,RB very very good,Te need depth..the D has gotten better across the board. the ONLY position that is really hurting the Redskins is QB!! and lord knows they have tried .. without a really QB this team is never going to be anything other than at best a 8-9 win team..where do we get that missing piece ?? They must be in short supply because The steelers have turned to Vick to lead them for now..lets see how Tomlin coaches that situation.
Elite QB's are, by definition, in short supply. Only 3-4 teams are happy with their QB at any given time, the rest are pissing and moaning that they don't have a good QB. There are 15-20 QB's playing the game on earth that are playing better than Cousins. Cut the guy a break. He's started 12 NFL games..
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