Around the NFL: Week 3

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

Again, PFF looks at each play and grades the player based on his ability and the decision he makes. It takes out the effect of the other players and focuses solely on what that specific player did in that specific opportunity.

Which makes their grades worthless when it comes to quarterbacks. I don't care how the stats came out for Rodgers in that game, analysts are supposed to be more than just input/output devices. Any so-called analyst who can give Rodgers a poor grade for his performance last night forgot to do a reality check. His performance was masterful. The analyst should have used his judgement to adjust his grade upwards or simply admitted that their system doesn't work well for QB's and declined to grade him. Here's my grade: HOF.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...egative-grade/


LOL @ Rodgers getting a negative grade from PFF on that 5 TD/0 INT performance last night.

dude he coulda played much much better.

Folks, sometimes your own eyes are the best measure

[Alvin Walton]

Cooley gets a try out?

https://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980/sta...89154616520704

[Chico23231]

Through three games, Andrew Luck ranks dead last in passer rating | ProFootballTalk

why is this guy seen as the second coming of Peyton? Why does the media tend to give him a pass?

73 turnovers in 51 games played...give me a effing break. "oh its the Oline, Pagano's fault, irsay fault, oh they have a bad defense" folks enough is enough, dude isnt that great.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Through three games, Andrew Luck ranks dead last in passer rating | ProFootballTalk

why is this guy seen as the second coming of Peyton? Why does the media tend to give him a pass?

73 turnovers in 51 games played...give me a effing break. "oh its the Oline, Pagano's fault, irsay fault, oh they have a bad defense" folks enough is enough, dude isnt that great.

They give him a pass because of RG3 and this shit show we put out every week.
He looks great compared to what we got.

[30gut]

Context is crucial with everything in football, and if you believe we are saying that Rodgers had a poor game last night because his grade has a minus in front of it, then let me set your mind at ease; I do not think Rodgers played a poor, subpar game last night and neither does anybody else at Pro Football Focus.Rodgers did his job last night, but his job was executing simple throws, putting the ball quickly in the hands of receivers like Randall Cobb in favorable matchups on short throws, and allowing others to do the heavy lifting.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...egative-grade/

Its a good read for those interested in more then a cursory hot take viewpoint of what PFF is about.

More.....

...Two of his touchdown passes were good or very good throws. His first touchdown pass on a whip to Ty Montgomery was a good throw leading his receiver away from the coverage for the score, so it earned a positive grade. His third touchdown pass to James Jones was a good throw on a back-shoulder pass yet again taking advantage of a free play, so it earned a positive grade........The other three touchdowns, however, were passes thrown short of the end zone on speed outs to Randall Cobb. Were they bad throws? No, they were expected throws with the credit going to Cobb for fighting through contact or defeating the coverage with speed to the edge. That makes these zero-graded throws: Three passes that have a massive effect on Rodgers’ statistical performance but do not increase his grade............................................. .The greatness of Rodgers’ performance last night was in the intangibles. Recognizing the blitz, drawing the defense offsides, catching the Chiefs in bad situations and exploiting those scenarios with simple passes to open receivers. But you cannot — and we do not try to — quantify intangibles, or what comes pre-snap. Our system grades what can be graded — the execution of the play post-snap — and in that regard Rodgers did not stand out in the same way that his statistics did.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...egative-grade/

Its a good read for those interested in more then a cursory hot take viewpoint of what PFF is about.

More.....

"The greatness of Rodgers’ performance last night was in the intangibles. Recognizing the blitz, drawing the defense offsides, catching the Chiefs in bad situations and exploiting those scenarios with simple passes to open receivers. But you cannot — and we do not try to — quantify intangibles, or what comes pre-snap. Our system grades what can be graded — the execution of the play post-snap — and in that regard Rodgers did not stand out in the same way that his statistics did. "

BUT these intangibles seperate the great ones. Intangibles are extremely extremely important...thats why Rogers is, along with Brady, the best QBs in the league. That why I say "use your eyes" the dude could be the best QB in the history of the league...im not joking. He could be.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Through three games, Andrew Luck ranks dead last in passer rating | ProFootballTalk

why is this guy seen as the second coming of Peyton? Why does the media tend to give him a pass?

73 turnovers in 51 games played...give me a effing break. "oh its the Oline, Pagano's fault, irsay fault, oh they have a bad defense" folks enough is enough, dude isnt that great.

Because he threw for like 40 td's last year and a ton of yards.

[RedskinJake]

From PFF

Two of his touchdown passes were good or very good throws. His first touchdown pass on a whip to Ty Montgomery was a good throw leading his receiver away from the coverage for the score, so it earned a positive grade. His third touchdown pass to James Jones was a good throw on a back-shoulder pass yet again taking advantage of a free play, so it earned a positive grade.

The other three touchdowns, however, were passes thrown short of the end zone on speed outs to Randall Cobb. Were they bad throws? No, they were expected throws with the credit going to Cobb for fighting through contact or defeating the coverage with speed to the edge. That makes these zero-graded throws: Three passes that have a massive effect on Rodgers’ statistical performance but do not increase his grade.

However, those touchdown passes aren’t the story of what takes Rodgers’ grade from a grade with a plus in front of it to a grade with a minus in front of it. The story of what takes Rodgers’ grade below zero are two plays that you aren’t likely to see mentioned anywhere else today, but are taken into account of in a play-by-play grading system.

1. Rodgers had a fumble, which displayed poor pocket management, with 8:39 remaining in the second quarter. That play earned a negative grade.

2. With 12:58 remaining in the third quarter, Rodgers forced a pass that Josh Mauga could and possibly should have been returned for six points for Kansas City. If Mauga makes this interception, it would have tacked an ugly interception onto Rodgers’ stat line. Instead, Rodgers maintained his interception-less streak at Lambeau field, but it is a negatively graded play regardless. These are poor plays on Rodgers’ part that bring his game grade down that won’t show up on any widely quoted statistical analysis of his performance.

[jamf]

PFF came up with a bullshit rating to generate clicks.

They don't account for field position in the ratings.
a 3 yard pass inside the 5 yard line is a lot harder to complete compared to a 3 yard pass on 1st and 10 from their own 20YL.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by jamf

PFF came up with a bullshit rating to generate clicks.

They don't account for field position in the ratings.
a 3 yard pass inside the 5 yard line is a lot harder to complete compared to a 3 yard pass on 1st and 10 from their own 20YL.

I agree but from a grading standpoint you are looking at 1 question, did the player perform below average or better than average at whatever specific tasks are unfolding during that play. If a CB is 2 yards off a WR and the QB throws a perfect back shoulder throw that exceeds what most QBs would've done there, then it's a positive grade. If he throws a bit to the right and the CB gets a hand on it and its still caught for a TD then that's a negative grade. If he fumbles, it's a really negative grade. The grading of a good decision/bad decision or good throw/bad throw is going to be the same no matter where the LOS is. You can't take it personal. They aren't grading him as a bad QB. They are saying that he did pretty much exactly what any average or better QB would have done in the same situations.

Also, PFF is a pro scouting agency.. I don't think they would want to scout each player separately for their NFL clients and again with a BS grading system for clicks..

[That Guy]

we could have also signed drew brees (potentially) but the team decided not to pursue it.