When is Enough, Enough? Bruce Allen Edition

[mooby]

I've been on the fire Allen bandwagon since the Shanahan days, always thought he wanted McC gone because he was jealous of McC getting the credit for building the roster in those days.

The way this season is going I wouldn't be surprised if Gruden and Allen are out. The minimum Gruden needs to do is make the playoffs, but if it's one and done I still wouldn't rule it out.

Allen's football acumen has always been suspect and I'm sure we can find someone equally competent at handling front office matters.

[Chico23231]

Question, if talent isn't an issue...where do you rank our roster just within the division?

Eagles have a more talented roster...that's an easy one. I think the Giants roster is on par with ours. I think Offensive talent we are better the cowboys...but defensively I think they are equally talented, and maybe give the Cowboys a slight edge.

To say the talent isn't an issue, that's just ignorant....borderline stupid.

Callahan, Tomsula, Kotwica, randy Jordan...these are league-wide, well respected coaches.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Question, if talent isn't an issue...where do you rank our roster just within the division?

Eagles have a more talented roster...that's an easy one. I think the Giants roster is on par with ours. I think Offensive talent we are better the cowboys...but defensively I think they are equally talented, and maybe give the Cowboys a slight edge.

To say the talent isn't an issue, that's just ignorant....borderline stupid.

Callahan, Tomsula, Kotwica, randy Jordan...these are league-wide, well respected coaches.

Totally agree. Talent is still an issue with this team. Sure the roster has some talent but this team has no bonafide superstars. People might say Williams or Kerrigan and they are nice players but nobody would line up to get those guys. Until the talent gets better this team is stuck in the middle.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Totally agree. Talent is still an issue with this team. Sure the roster has some talent but this team has no bonafide superstars. People might say Williams or Kerrigan and they are nice players but nobody would line up to get those guys. Until the talent gets better this team is stuck in the middle.

Williams is more than just a nice player. He's an elite LT.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MTK

Williams is more than just a nice player. He's an elite LT.

When he isn't hurt which is often. Even saying he's elite, who else do the Skins have that is elite? Nobody.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by irish

When he isn't hurt which is often. Even saying he's elite, who else do the Skins have that is elite? Nobody.

I agree , nobody else is Elite on this team but we have a good roster. Better than it has been, especially on D. Now the WRs are very AVG as is our Pass rushers (Kerrigan and Smith).

I am sticking with my 9-7 prediction.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

When he isn't hurt which is often. Even saying he's elite, who else do the Skins have that is elite? Nobody.

When has his missed major time? Even on one knee he played great last year. I get your point about the team lacking A+ type of players but Williams isn’t a good example to point to

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Williams is more than just a nice player. He's an elite LT.

Williams is consistently a top 5 LT , That is not a Nice player that is a HOF type lineman. Kerrigan is a "nice" type of player

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by irish

Totally agree. Talent is still an issue with this team. Sure the roster has some talent but this team has no bonafide superstars. People might say Williams or Kerrigan and they are nice players but nobody would line up to get those guys. Until the talent gets better this team is stuck in the middle.

I am willing to bet everything you own that if we released or offered to trade Trent William's at 5pm today he'd be on another team by 6:30

[irish]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I am willing to bet everything you own that if we released or offered to trade Trent William's at 5pm today he'd be on another team by 6:30

Agree but I bet the Skins wouldn't get nearly what you think they'd get for him. My point is that if Williams is the team's only A+ player then this team has a talent problem that no amount of coaching will fix.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Question, if talent isn't an issue...where do you rank our roster just within the division?

Eagles have a more talented roster...that's an easy one. I think the Giants roster is on par with ours. I think Offensive talent we are better the cowboys...but defensively I think they are equally talented, and maybe give the Cowboys a slight edge.

To say the talent isn't an issue, that's just ignorant....borderline stupid.

Callahan, Tomsula, Kotwica, randy Jordan...these are league-wide, well respected coaches.

Do you think there's enough talent to win 10 games? I do. Definitely enough talent here to challenge for the division.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Do you think there's enough talent to win 10 games? I do. Definitely enough talent here to challenge for the division.

Honestly...10 wins, I don't think we do.

To challenge for the division, its a different question but Peterson/Schwartz are the best coaches and they have more talent on the roster. I don't think we can.

We need things to go our way in order to challenge. We will see.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Question, if talent isn't an issue...where do you rank our roster just within the division?



Eagles have a more talented roster...that's an easy one. I think the Giants roster is on par with ours. I think Offensive talent we are better the cowboys...but defensively I think they are equally talented, and maybe give the Cowboys a slight edge.



To say the talent isn't an issue, that's just ignorant....borderline stupid.



Callahan, Tomsula, Kotwica, randy Jordan...these are league-wide, well respected coaches.

I agree talent is a huge issue. WR? Nothing. RB? An old man and a kid who has never set foot on the field (it was addressed though so I will give it a pass). Interior o line - weak. Edge rusher - weak. Secondary - weak. TE- Reed is awesome for the three games he plays a year - and so that is another area of need. QB - don’t even get me started.
We have a couple O linemen and Trent is getting towards his twilight years, a couple stud D linemen, a RB yet to prove a damn thing. That is all I can think of that we have to build around. Yeah, like Chico said - to say talent isn’t an issue is borderline stupid.

[Schneed10]

Lack of star power is definitely an issue on this team. There's no guy capable of taking over and dominating. No Aaron Donald, no JJ Watt, no Khalil Mack, no Jalen Ramsey, no Antonio Brown, no Gronk, etc.

You can still be a 10-6 team without a star, though. We do have enough talent to be that good. I point more towards coaching as the issue, rather than lack of talent.

And I point towards the front office for the failing in the coaching department, too. The front office is supposed to set the culture and find the coach. Allen and Gruden both need to go.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Lack of star power is definitely an issue on this team. There's no guy capable of taking over and dominating. No Aaron Donald, no JJ Watt, no Khalil Mack, no Jalen Ramsey, no Antonio Brown, no Gronk, etc.

You can still be a 10-6 team without a star, though. We do have enough talent to be that good. I point more towards coaching as the issue, rather than lack of talent.

And I point towards the front office for the failing in the coaching department, too. The front office is supposed to set the culture and find the coach. Allen and Gruden both need to go.

While I have been making the point for not enough talent, I agree with you about coaching as well. It seems to me that the Skins coaches never seem to make anyone outplay their contract. Other teams seems to take nobodys and make them into good players while the Skins struggle to get what talent the players have out of them. Gruden will be gone at the end of the season and it will be start over and rebuild. The wheels keep on spinning.