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Old 12-22-2022, 10:36 AM   #151
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I think the issue w/ Turner is it's not that he isn't smart. He's probably a pretty sharp guy I think. His issue is he wants to be the smartest mother effer in the room. Look at how cool my plays are. Look at all my cool shifts. Just running the meat and potatoes plays aren't good enough for him.
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Old 12-22-2022, 11:34 AM   #152
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Went back on dvr and watched that 3rd and 3 play run w Samuels.

We went spread 4 wide (2 on each side), Samuel in backfield, pretty sure it was shotgun (indicating pass)

Giants went nickel or dime, just 4 DL and no LBs near LOS.

There was a huge hole on the B gap on right side that Samuel hit .. problem was Landon Collins and another guy were closing in on the hole.

Tackled 1 yard short of the FD.

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Going spread we got the look we wanted from the Giants ... just a bit of bad luck, came up short.
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BRob gets through that and it's a 1st down. I'm not questioning the call, but definitely questioning the personnel used.
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BRob gets through that and it's a 1st down. I'm not questioning the call, but definitely questioning the personnel used.
3rd and 3, I trust Robinson more than Heinicke. Running the ball would be my preference, just not to Samuel as you said. A playaction fake to Robinson with a rollout pass/run option for Heinicke would be my 2nd choice.
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I think the issue w/ Turner is it's not that he isn't smart. He's probably a pretty sharp guy I think. His issue is he wants to be the smartest mother effer in the room. Look at how cool my plays are. Look at all my cool shifts. Just running the meat and potatoes plays aren't good enough for him.
I totally agree, an affliction that many OCs seem to suffer from when, especially they have defensive HCs or they become a HC themselves
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BRob gets through that and it's a 1st down. I'm not questioning the call, but definitely questioning the personnel used.
Agreed but i dont think you get the same look from the Giants w BRob in there.

I tried finding this play on teh internet, watched the long highlights and this play cant find it save my dvr on my cable box

We had 5 OL on 4 DL .. giants in a dime or buffalo nickel w collins

One thing I do wonder, watching teh play, is how this huge hole opened but it was right were Collins and another D guy were plugging

I wonder if the Giants "gave" us that hole

idk

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Going spread and having the D mirror your personnel is a win

using samuel in these roles to get the D to go dime/play pass is a win

just bad luck and a yard short

Going into this season Logan Paulsen and Hoffman talked about how they could get mismatches using Samuel in back field, getting to run on pass defenses etc

We complain Turner doesnt use our playmakers

then complain when he uses our playmakers .. and I get it. running Samuel up gut isnt what we are talking about or have in mind

This playcall worked on paper and pre snap
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Agreed but i dont think you get the same look from the Giants w BRob in there.

I tried finding this play on teh internet, watched the long highlights and this play cant find it save my dvr on my cable box

We had 5 OL on 4 DL .. giants in a dime or buffalo nickel w collins

One thing I do wonder, watching teh play, is how this huge hole opened but it was right were Collins and another D guy were plugging

I wonder if the Giants "gave" us that hole

idk

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Going spread and having the D mirror your personnel is a win

using samuel in these roles to get the D to go dime/play pass is a win

just bad luck and a yard short

Going into this season Logan Paulsen and Hoffman talked about how they could get mismatches using Samuel in back field, getting to run on pass defenses etc

We complain Turner doesnt use our playmakers

then complain when he uses our playmakers .. and I get it. running Samuel up gut isnt what we are talking about or have in mind

This playcall worked on paper and pre snap
Yeah, you probably don't get the same look, and it also probably doesn't matter. No way to know for sure.

I do think Turner is trying to get our playmakers involved, and with the limitations at QB he probably feels like he has to do things like he did on this play. But Curtis Samuel is not Deebo Samuel, and he has no business getting the ball on a run up the middle on 3rd and 3 (or whatever it was). Sometimes I get the feeling that ST just gets way too creative, when something straight forward that has been working - would work. It's a big contributor to our Red Zone issues too in my opinion. I'm not against creativity of course, but there is such a thing as being "too cute" with the play calling. When we need 1-3 yards, give the ball to BRob. He will get the first down probably 7-8 out of 10 times.
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Yeah, you probably don't get the same look, and it also probably doesn't matter. No way to know for sure.

I do think Turner is trying to get our playmakers involved, and with the limitations at QB he probably feels like he has to do things like he did on this play. But Curtis Samuel is not Deebo Samuel, and he has no business getting the ball on a run up the middle on 3rd and 3 (or whatever it was). Sometimes I get the feeling that ST just gets way too creative, when something straight forward that has been working - would work. It's a big contributor to our Red Zone issues too in my opinion. I'm not against creativity of course, but there is such a thing as being "too cute" with the play calling. When we need 1-3 yards, give the ball to BRob. He will get the first down probably 7-8 out of 10 times.
Yeah running Samuel up the middle, even if you get the D look you want ... its one of those decisions were youd better be right.

If it works? Genuis!
Fails? straight to jail.

Id like to see some actual normla jet sweep ... like actually hand it off to samuel or whoever is in motion vs just going through the motion half ass, D knows its half ass

Like Paulsen said of our half hearted shotgun PA that isnt fooling anyone .. i want a hard under center PA in like 12 personnel or 21 where Brob is the fake runner turned blocker and Gibson is the hot dump off if needed but Terry and Dotson are screaming down the field

idk

Ive been playing a lot of madden lately
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Yeah running Samuel up the middle, even if you get the D look you want ... its one of those decisions were youd better be right.

If it works? Genuis!
Fails? straight to jail.

Id like to see some actual normla jet sweep ... like actually hand it off to samuel or whoever is in motion vs just going through the motion half ass, D knows its half ass

Like Paulsen said of our half hearted shotgun PA that isnt fooling anyone .. i want a hard under center PA in like 12 personnel or 21 where Brob is the fake runner turned blocker and Gibson is the hot dump off if needed but Terry and Dotson are screaming down the field

idk

Ive been playing a lot of madden lately
Turner probably does too. But he creates his own team and plays on easy-mode. Everything always works.
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