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Old 12-19-2022, 01:33 PM   #61
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3-7 in the first half

Giants pinned to their 3 yd line.

Giants reel off an 18 play, 97 yard TD drive that ate up 8:35 mins
102 yard td drive - they had to overcome a 5 yard penalty en route. Truly a masterpiece in back-breaking.
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Old 12-19-2022, 01:35 PM   #62
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After he got stuffed twice already. It is mind numbing that with BR and Gibson we ran a wr into the teeth of their defense. Turner wouldn’t be in this league but for his last name.
I don't understand Turner's logic. You can't be stupid being an NFL OC but I literally think he is stupid. Samuel is not strong enough to run the ball into NFL d-linemen and LB's. He ain't moving the pile. Keep him on the outside running his sweeps. I want to ask Turner what the fuck are you thinking there? Why would you risk injury to one of you wr's doing that? You have a fucking horse who is running over the Giants and you take him out.
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Old 12-19-2022, 01:40 PM   #63
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I dont think we need to say more....

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Brian Robinson got 4 carries in the second half of that game. Antonio Gibson had 1 second half carry.
Down 3-14 at half.

1st possession of second half we go 6 plays, 91 yards for a Tiddy. Score is 9-14

giants get FG on their next possession, 9-17

2nd possession - run, pass, run, punt

3rd possession - run, run, run, pass, run, pass, FG Score is 12-17

4th possession (5 plays, 77 yds gained) - pass, run, run, pass, QB fumble on NYG's 9 yard line

Giants go 9 plays, 4:11 off clock, FG score is 12-20 ...

5th possession - 2 min drive down to their goaline, B Rob actually scores then flags and then no flags

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Turner sucks ... but dialed up a must have 2 min drive to get into the EZ before BS flags

Turner sucks .. but dialed up 91 yard TD scoring drive to start the 2nd half down double digits
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Old 12-19-2022, 01:43 PM   #64
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Down 3-14 at half.

1st possession of second half we go 6 plays, 91 yards for a Tiddy. Score is 9-14

giants get FG on their next possession, 9-17

2nd possession - run, pass, run, punt

3rd possession - run, run, run, pass, run, pass, FG Score is 12-17

4th possession (5 plays, 77 yds gained) - pass, run, run, pass, QB fumble on NYG's 9 yard line

Giants go 9 plays, 4:11 off clock, FG score is 12-20 ...

5th possession - 2 min drive down to their goaline, B Rob actually scores then flags and then no flags

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Turner sucks ... but dialed up a must have 2 min drive to get into the EZ before BS flags

Turner sucks .. but dialed up 91 yard TD scoring drive to start the 2nd half down double digits
That is the most frustrating thing. He can dial up some beautiful drives. But then the next drive he will revert right back to calling stupid shit.

He just can't stick with plays that we have a constant/real chance of actually running effectively. Or apparently realize when plays aren't working, such as the Samuel runs. I'm not against jet sweeps, but the Giants were locked in on him on run plays. We wasted I believe 5 plays on handing him the ball when it was clearly not working that game.

We are limited, we cannot withstand penalties or wasted plays. We have to be extremely efficient to have a chance of scoring.
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Oh! I almost forgot.... Riverboat Ron decided to punt when we were on the Giants' 34.
I don't even hold that against him, plenty of other bad things to bitch about.

The wind was in Slye's face, kicking a 50 yarder into the wind? Bad idea. He played the field position game instead and lost.
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That is the most frustrating thing. He can dial up some beautiful drives. But then the next drive he will revert right back to calling stupid shit.

He just can't stick with plays that we have a constant/real chance of actually running effectively. Or apparently realize when plays aren't working, such as the Samuel runs. I'm not against jet sweeps, but the Giants were locked in on him on run plays. We wasted I believe 5 plays on handing him the ball when it was clearly not working that game.

We are limited, we cannot withstand penalties or wasted plays. We have to be extremely efficient to have a chance of scoring.
1. We do a lot of jet sweep motion looks but havent actually ran a jet sweep play in a while (where ball gets handed off to receiver in motion)

2. I dont like the idea of running Samuel on 3rd and 3 up the middle but I dont remember if we were in empty back set or not.

If its an empty back set look, not bad thinking trying to get the Giants to match your personnel, then you have 5 guys to block 4 and Samuel just needs to pick the right lane/crease.

I think Samuel made a bad decision to cut it right were there was a lane but had 2 giant defenders closing in on that gap.

I gotta see the 3rd and 3 play again.

3. I wish Turner would call more slants to Terry, more screens, more bubbles .. the quick pass play stuff that worked okay last year.

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JUST THROW TERRY FUCKING SLANTS like 5 a game

Heinike cant seem to read or trust himself on mesh concepts .. which is basic QBing 101. Got single high safety? Throw the deep ball route. Got quarters? Read and recognize and make teh quick decision to throw underneath and get 5 yards.
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Old 12-19-2022, 02:00 PM   #67
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Down 3-14 at half.

1st possession of second half we go 6 plays, 91 yards for a Tiddy. Score is 9-14

giants get FG on their next possession, 9-17

2nd possession - run, pass, run, punt

3rd possession - run, run, run, pass, run, pass, FG Score is 12-17

4th possession (5 plays, 77 yds gained) - pass, run, run, pass, QB fumble on NYG's 9 yard line

Giants go 9 plays, 4:11 off clock, FG score is 12-20 ...

5th possession - 2 min drive down to their goaline, B Rob actually scores then flags and then no flags

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Turner sucks ... but dialed up a must have 2 min drive to get into the EZ before BS flags

Turner sucks .. but dialed up 91 yard TD scoring drive to start the 2nd half down double digits
Agree

I kind of give turner a pass its like asking a carpenter to build a house but his tools are plastic utensils; if you are expecting a great house that carpenter better be Jesus and I am talking about the Jesus you pronounce with a J not a H.
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I don't even hold that against him, plenty of other bad things to bitch about.

The wind was in Slye's face, kicking a 50 yarder into the wind? Bad idea. He played the field position game instead and lost.
I hold it against him, if you determine you can't kick the FG there, at the opponent's 34 you go for it. Don't punt when the best you can reasonably expect to do is net 24 on the punt.
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I hold it against him, if you determine you can't kick the FG there, at the opponent's 34 you go for it. Don't punt when the best you can reasonably expect to do is net 24 on the punt.
Two things I will never ever understand..

Kicking a FG inside the 10 regardless if it's 4 & Goal from the 10

Or Punting inside the opponents 40. Both are stupid as hell unless the game is on the line in both instances.
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Had Mike Florio questioning whether or not this guy is the Tim Donaghy of the NFL. Says there will be a 30/30 on the betting and fixing in the nfl one day. These guys don’t make enough money to look away from a fat paycheck from some wise guy.
Where can I hear Florio's interview?
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For a net gain of 4 yards. Lol. There are so many reasons this awful HC and staff lost that have nothing to do with the refs.
This staff, mainly Rivera and Turner, are a MAJOR reason for our poor start and losing last night's game. If these bums can garner 7 wins, then I'm fairly positive a better staff would have no less than 10 wins right now with this current roster.
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He obviously felt that Slye couldn't make it and had no confidence in the offense. I can't kill Ron for that. He was hoping to pin them inside the 10 and play defense.
I hated the call as Slye has proven that distance is definitely in his range.
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Punting inside the opponents 40.
If Rivera felt the wind was a factor, then go for it as you mentioned and stated above by someone else. Don't freakin' punt the ball on the opponents' 34.

Kick the FG or go for it.
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I hold it against him, if you determine you can't kick the FG there, at the opponent's 34 you go for it. Don't punt when the best you can reasonably expect to do is net 24 on the punt.
Definitely would've been the better choice.
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1. We do a lot of jet sweep motion looks but havent actually ran a jet sweep play in a while (where ball gets handed off to receiver in motion)

2. I dont like the idea of running Samuel on 3rd and 3 up the middle but I dont remember if we were in empty back set or not.

If its an empty back set look, not bad thinking trying to get the Giants to match your personnel, then you have 5 guys to block 4 and Samuel just needs to pick the right lane/crease.

I think Samuel made a bad decision to cut it right were there was a lane but had 2 giant defenders closing in on that gap.

I gotta see the 3rd and 3 play again.

3. I wish Turner would call more slants to Terry, more screens, more bubbles .. the quick pass play stuff that worked okay last year.

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JUST THROW TERRY FUCKING SLANTS like 5 a game

Heinike cant seem to read or trust himself on mesh concepts .. which is basic QBing 101. Got single high safety? Throw the deep ball route. Got quarters? Read and recognize and make teh quick decision to throw underneath and get 5 yards.
I don't understand this either - the slant does not exist in Turner's playbook.
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