My experience installing the Debian distro

SirClintonPortis · 07-11-2011, 09:26 PM

I have always been interested by Linux since a while back, trying portable liveCDs just to get a taste of the system. Of course, those things were rather nerfed and sometimes led to crashes. The prospect of not using the hard drive at all with those minimalist live cd distros is rather interesting, but whatever.
Now, my mom was practically coerced nicely into buying a new netbook by a friend, and thus I found an opportunity to try out an installation.

I had to first perform some upkeep in the Windows 7 Starter. First, I had to shrink the partition file. Yes, Windows' Disk Management has a native support for that. But, I could not shrink more than half of the space available in the hard drive. The reason behind this was because of the System Volume Information, where the System Restore files are, were in a freaking sec. After much time consumed trying to find a free solution that would move those files, I came across the program JKDefrag. It defragmented the system and then optimized it by moving the System Volume Information folders to a more appropriate place. It allowed me to shrink the Windows 7 partition down to around 25-30 GBs.

The way I chose to install Debian was by win32-loader. It is a file you run in Windows, and then you restart the system.

Installation via wireless did not work as it wasn't detected. It doesn't like Realtek rtl8188ce card. Much time was burned until I finally just used an ethernet cable and thus was able to proceed. After the installer downloaded a few files, I got to the partition screen. After some messing around, I decide the root folder (denoted by "/" would be on a partition of 5 GBs and have the ext3 filesystem. The swap partition would have 768 MB, and the /home partition had 5 GBs and the ext4 filesystem. The rest of the install wasn't painful, although with my DSL connection, I had time to go out and mow the grass while it downloaded some files. I had to set the root password and user information after that. Afterwards, I decided to install GRUB because the "/" parition was a logical partition, and I wasn't taking ANY chances.

Debian started up nicely, but the wireless was still a problem. After much anguish trying out various solutions, I eventually found out that Realtek offers a Linux driver for their wireless card. After some Google searches, I found how to install these tarballs. In the root terminal, use "cd" in the command line to go to the directory where the tarball files were extracted, and then type in "make install" to do the two tasks necessary to install the file. FINALLY, wireless works.

GNOME is the desktop environment I'm currently using.

Now, onto the more fun stuff. GNOME also has a system monitor. What's immediately noticeable is that NONE of the swap(which is similar to the page file in Windows), is being used yet. So it seems, that Debian keep everything in the much faster RAM than Windows.

It also tells me that the "/" directory is 77% full. I guess I could have made it a little bigger. The /home directory, on the other is almost empty.

GNOME comes with the Epiphany browser. I'm using IceWeasel though, which is a rebranded Firefox for Debian.

So, so far, I learned that:
1. Microsoft makes partitioning needlessly painful
2. installing Debian over WiFi can be hit or miss due to hardware issues
3. Debian is FAR less of a resource hog that Windows 7 starter and it's "smarter".
4. I could have have made my "/" partition a little bigger.

BDBohnzie · 07-11-2011, 10:54 PM

I got a MSI Wind 2 years ago for my birthday with Windows XP. I haven't gotten around to setting up a dual boot, but do have Puppy Linux installed on a 1GB USB Thumb drive and exclusively use that when I use the netbook. I installed it on old PCs at work (workstations with P-II processors and 256 MB of RAM) and the workstations became usable again, since they couldn't handle XP or W2K well, if at all. Nice little distro.

tryfuhl · 07-12-2011, 07:38 PM

I never install anything over a wireless network and if it's a single machine, I'm doing it right there at the machine. Having done Ubuntu with WUBI, without it, and manually I'd have to say that I'd go with the Wizard that does it from the new OS itself rather than use an in-Windows installation again. Seemed like even on the same machine I ran into less problems.

My biggest issues with Linux based distros was also wireless cards and graphic cards, specifically nVidia cards (damn you xorg!) as well. I've never configured a Debian install, only installed it for someone, and this was half a decade ago.

I've done the same thing as far as making the root dir too small, I'd definitely say make it larger than the installed folder and larger than you'll see recommended online. Luckily the linux is a bit forgiving with this type of stuff and is built for change.

Been meaning to do a current Debian install since I got this laptop, maybe I'll get around to it soon.

SirClintonPortis · 07-13-2011, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I never install anything over a wireless network and if it's a single machine, I'm doing it right there at the machine. Having done Ubuntu with WUBI, without it, and manually I'd have to say that I'd go with the Wizard that does it from the new OS itself rather than use an in-Windows installation again. Seemed like even on the same machine I ran into less problems.

My biggest issues with Linux based distros was also wireless cards and graphic cards, specifically nVidia cards (damn you xorg!) as well. I've never configured a Debian install, only installed it for someone, and this was half a decade ago.

I've done the same thing as far as making the root dir too small, I'd definitely say make it larger than the installed folder and larger than you'll see recommended online. Luckily the linux is a bit forgiving with this type of stuff and is built for change.

Been meaning to do a current Debian install since I got this laptop, maybe I'll get around to it soon.

I was doing a "in front of the machine" install as well. My netbook has no optical drive and win32 loader seemed like a nice alternative. So now I know, having access to an Ethernet connection is necessary for such an installation.

I was just doing the steps required by the installer, so I was just doing the installation.

WUBI seems different from win32-loader. win32 loader doesn't do anything except install a few files to be loaded at boot, and after restarting, then you do the installation by selecting "continue install" on the list you choose an OS.

As this video shows: YouTube - ‪Debian Win32 Loader‬&rlm; , win32 loader does very little in Windows. Of course, that means all of the needed files will have to be snatched from the Web.

Had I used the guided install, the root partition size would have been 10 GB, the swap 2 2 GB, and /home also 10 GB. But I'm such a stickler for hard drive space.

SmootSmack · 07-13-2011, 12:09 AM

I feel like I just walked into the Twilight Zone with this thread. If there was an emoticon for something flying right over my head, I'd use it here

Alvin Walton · 07-13-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I feel like I just walked into the Twilight Zone with this thread. If there was an emoticon from something flying right over my head, I'd use it here

Are they speaking Martian or Alpha Centaurian?

Hog1 · 07-13-2011, 05:20 PM

It is indeed disturbing the twisted ways in which the X...tended off-season has infested our ranks..........

saden1 · 07-13-2011, 05:30 PM

You can dynamically resize your partition quite easily using GParted.

SirClintonPortis · 07-13-2011, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saden1

You can dynamically resize your partition quite easily using GParted.

I'm just scared that increasing the size of one might affect data in the other partitions adjacent to it. lol

SirClintonPortis · 07-13-2011, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog1

It is indeed disturbing the twisted ways in which the X...tended off-season has infested our ranks..........

You're just jealous of our geekiness.

mredskins · 07-14-2011, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I feel like I just walked into the Twilight Zone with this thread. If there was an emoticon for something flying right over my head, I'd use it here

This! LOL!

SirClintonPortis · 08-21-2011, 01:35 AM

My decision to install this has proved to be a good one. My sister got pissed at something and threw the computer hard into a box. Needless to say, Windows 7 is now not able to boot, so Debian is the only thing keeping the comp functional.

I also want to talk about the program "Cheese". It's a program that can work with a computer's webcam. Simply put, it works just fine with the integrated webcam on this computer.

07-11-2011, 09:26 PM	#1
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	My experience installing the Debian distro I have always been interested by Linux since a while back, trying portable liveCDs just to get a taste of the system. Of course, those things were rather nerfed and sometimes led to crashes. The prospect of not using the hard drive at all with those minimalist live cd distros is rather interesting, but whatever. Now, my mom was practically coerced nicely into buying a new netbook by a friend, and thus I found an opportunity to try out an installation. I had to first perform some upkeep in the Windows 7 Starter. First, I had to shrink the partition file. Yes, Windows' Disk Management has a native support for that. But, I could not shrink more than half of the space available in the hard drive. The reason behind this was because of the System Volume Information, where the System Restore files are, were in a freaking sec. After much time consumed trying to find a free solution that would move those files, I came across the program JKDefrag. It defragmented the system and then optimized it by moving the System Volume Information folders to a more appropriate place. It allowed me to shrink the Windows 7 partition down to around 25-30 GBs. The way I chose to install Debian was by win32-loader. It is a file you run in Windows, and then you restart the system. Installation via wireless did not work as it wasn't detected. It doesn't like Realtek rtl8188ce card. Much time was burned until I finally just used an ethernet cable and thus was able to proceed. After the installer downloaded a few files, I got to the partition screen. After some messing around, I decide the root folder (denoted by "/" would be on a partition of 5 GBs and have the ext3 filesystem. The swap partition would have 768 MB, and the /home partition had 5 GBs and the ext4 filesystem. The rest of the install wasn't painful, although with my DSL connection, I had time to go out and mow the grass while it downloaded some files. I had to set the root password and user information after that. Afterwards, I decided to install GRUB because the "/" parition was a logical partition, and I wasn't taking ANY chances. Debian started up nicely, but the wireless was still a problem. After much anguish trying out various solutions, I eventually found out that Realtek offers a Linux driver for their wireless card. After some Google searches, I found how to install these tarballs. In the root terminal, use "cd" in the command line to go to the directory where the tarball files were extracted, and then type in "make install" to do the two tasks necessary to install the file. FINALLY, wireless works. GNOME is the desktop environment I'm currently using. Now, onto the more fun stuff. GNOME also has a system monitor. What's immediately noticeable is that NONE of the swap(which is similar to the page file in Windows), is being used yet. So it seems, that Debian keep everything in the much faster RAM than Windows. It also tells me that the "/" directory is 77% full. I guess I could have made it a little bigger. The /home directory, on the other is almost empty. GNOME comes with the Epiphany browser. I'm using IceWeasel though, which is a rebranded Firefox for Debian. So, so far, I learned that: 1. Microsoft makes partitioning needlessly painful 2. installing Debian over WiFi can be hit or miss due to hardware issues 3. Debian is FAR less of a resource hog that Windows 7 starter and it's "smarter". 4. I could have have made my "/" partition a little bigger. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

07-11-2011, 10:54 PM	#2
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: My experience installing the Debian distro I got a MSI Wind 2 years ago for my birthday with Windows XP. I haven't gotten around to setting up a dual boot, but do have Puppy Linux installed on a 1GB USB Thumb drive and exclusively use that when I use the netbook. I installed it on old PCs at work (workstations with P-II processors and 256 MB of RAM) and the workstations became usable again, since they couldn't handle XP or W2K well, if at all. Nice little distro. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

07-12-2011, 07:38 PM	#3
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 40 Posts: 12,514	Re: My experience installing the Debian distro I never install anything over a wireless network and if it's a single machine, I'm doing it right there at the machine. Having done Ubuntu with WUBI, without it, and manually I'd have to say that I'd go with the Wizard that does it from the new OS itself rather than use an in-Windows installation again. Seemed like even on the same machine I ran into less problems. My biggest issues with Linux based distros was also wireless cards and graphic cards, specifically nVidia cards (damn you xorg!) as well. I've never configured a Debian install, only installed it for someone, and this was half a decade ago. I've done the same thing as far as making the root dir too small, I'd definitely say make it larger than the installed folder and larger than you'll see recommended online. Luckily the linux is a bit forgiving with this type of stuff and is built for change. Been meaning to do a current Debian install since I got this laptop, maybe I'll get around to it soon. __________________ http://www.twitter.com/RedskinsRT

07-13-2011, 12:09 AM	#5
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: My experience installing the Debian distro I feel like I just walked into the Twilight Zone with this thread. If there was an emoticon for something flying right over my head, I'd use it here __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You Last edited by SmootSmack; 07-13-2011 at 07:49 AM.

07-13-2011, 05:20 PM	#7
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: My experience installing the Debian distro It is indeed disturbing the twisted ways in which the X...tended off-season has infested our ranks.......... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

07-13-2011, 05:30 PM	#8
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 44 Posts: 10,069	Re: My experience installing the Debian distro You can dynamically resize your partition quite easily using GParted. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

08-21-2011, 01:35 AM	#12
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: My experience installing the Debian distro My decision to install this has proved to be a good one. My sister got pissed at something and threw the computer hard into a box. Needless to say, Windows 7 is now not able to boot, so Debian is the only thing keeping the comp functional. I also want to talk about the program "Cheese". It's a program that can work with a computer's webcam. Simply put, it works just fine with the integrated webcam on this computer. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

My experience installing the Debian distro

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