Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2020

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mooby

If someone offered anything for Alex, even a 7th rounder, I would take it in a heartbeat just to get his contract off the books.

You are right, it would be a serious test for Dan about whether to interfere with the team because it looks like Alex is resigned to another season of hanging out with Snyder watching the games, when he's not helping Haskins on the practice field.

Ron would have to convince Dan he can always hang out with Alex once Alex retires from his new team after next year. I think best case scenario is Alex hopes to be active someday as a backup qb, there is no team that would risk bringing him in as a starter.

I understand that point, but, we'd probably have to trade Chicago picks to take on the contract and salary cap hit. Also, by all accounts, it was Alex Smith who motivated Haskins to stop being a lazy/entitled and start putting in the effort to be an NFL QB.

Lets not forget, his college teammates have all indicated that football is not his life or focus. He did not live and breathe football at Ohio State. Early on in the season, his redskins team mates were shocked he didn't know the playbook. He hadn't bothered to study it because he was butt-hurt that he wasn't the starter. He was chewing out his experienced veteran offensive linemen on the sidelines when he had not done anything to earn their respect himself by putting in the work. And lets not forget selfie-gate. Yes - It happened a while ago, but he recently retweeted it and referenced his love for the fans, so he does not seem to have matured much since then. Rivera benched Cam newton for not wearing a tie on the team plane - how do you think he'd have handled Dwayne missing the last snap to take a selfie? And finally, Haskins wasn't there for Riveras press conference. If Haskins wanted to demonstrate he was all-in on football and wanted to make a good impression, he would have adjusted his vacation plans to be there.

I'm not saying all this to say that Haskins is going to be a bust. I'm just highlighting that we shouldn't allow a couple of games where he showed improvement to make us think he'll automatically continue to develop, progress, and mature. By all appearances, he's going to have a completely new offensive coaching staff and new offensive system. I think it would really, really, help give Haskins the best chance to succeed and become the franchise QB Snyder drafted him to be if we keep his mentor - the guy who he himself credited with his turnaround - on the roster.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I understand that point, but, we'd probably have to trade Chicago picks to take on the contract and salary cap hit. Also, by all accounts, it was Alex Smith who motivated Haskins to stop being a lazy/entitled and start putting in the effort to be an NFL QB.

Lets not forget, his college teammates have all indicated that football is not his life or focus. He did not live and breathe football at Ohio State. Early on in the season, his redskins team mates were shocked he didn't know the playbook. He hadn't bothered to study it because he was butt-hurt that he wasn't the starter. He was chewing out his experienced veteran offensive linemen on the sidelines when he had not done anything to earn their respect himself by putting in the work. And lets not forget selfie-gate. Yes - It happened a while ago, but he recently retweeted it and referenced his love for the fans, so he does not seem to have matured much since then. Rivera benched Cam newton for not wearing a tie on the team plane - how do you think he'd have handled Dwayne missing the last snap to take a selfie? And finally, Haskins wasn't there for Riveras press conference. If Haskins wanted to demonstrate he was all-in on football and wanted to make a good impression, he would have adjusted his vacation plans to be there.

I'm not saying all this to say that Haskins is going to be a bust. I'm just highlighting that we shouldn't allow a couple of games where he showed improvement to make us think he'll automatically continue to develop, progress, and mature. By all appearances, he's going to have a completely new offensive coaching staff and new offensive system. I think it would really, really, help give Haskins the best chance to succeed and become the franchise QB Snyder drafted him to be if we keep his mentor - the guy who he himself credited with his turnaround - on the roster.

Yeah exactly, he's not gonna get a free pass with Rivera, so I don't think removing the Alex Smith effect would be that dangerous to his development. Even if we have to throw a late rounder in there, I like doing what's smart for the team, and all the tools for success to our new HC.
And if not having AS around him is an excuse to not put in the work even with a tough ass coach like RR, then it's a big enough issue to cause trouble anyway...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I understand that point, but, we'd probably have to trade Chicago picks to take on the contract and salary cap hit. Also, by all accounts, it was Alex Smith who motivated Haskins to stop being a lazy/entitled and start putting in the effort to be an NFL QB.



Lets not forget, his college teammates have all indicated that football is not his life or focus. He did not live and breathe football at Ohio State. Early on in the season, his redskins team mates were shocked he didn't know the playbook. He hadn't bothered to study it because he was butt-hurt that he wasn't the starter. He was chewing out his experienced veteran offensive linemen on the sidelines when he had not done anything to earn their respect himself by putting in the work. And lets not forget selfie-gate. Yes - It happened a while ago, but he recently retweeted it and referenced his love for the fans, so he does not seem to have matured much since then. Rivera benched Cam newton for not wearing a tie on the team plane - how do you think he'd have handled Dwayne missing the last snap to take a selfie? And finally, Haskins wasn't there for Riveras press conference. If Haskins wanted to demonstrate he was all-in on football and wanted to make a good impression, he would have adjusted his vacation plans to be there.



I'm not saying all this to say that Haskins is going to be a bust. I'm just highlighting that we shouldn't allow a couple of games where he showed improvement to make us think he'll automatically continue to develop, progress, and mature. By all appearances, he's going to have a completely new offensive coaching staff and new offensive system. I think it would really, really, help give Haskins the best chance to succeed and become the franchise QB Snyder drafted him to be if we keep his mentor - the guy who he himself credited with his turnaround - on the roster.

Just to understand your two positions on AS and TW. It is better to keep a backup qb with a 20+million cap hit rather than trade him and clear cap because he is besties with the owner and might add something in the qb room, but its not ok to pay 12mil to a top NFL LT that can come in and guard your qb's blind side at a high level.

Something with that logic seems off to me

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[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just to understand your two positions on AS and TW. It is better to keep a backup qb with a 20+million cap hit rather than trade him and clear cap because he is besties with the owner and might add something in the qb room, but its not ok to pay 12mil to a top NFL LT that can come in and guard your qb's blind side at a high level.

Something with that logic seems off to me

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For me, Alex Smith is a far better human being and team mate. He will have more to do with the long-term success of our franchise through his mentorship of Haskins. He has no trade value. In fact, we would probably have to trade valuable draft picks to a team just to take him.

Trent is a complete POS. He will want a new deal with more guaranteed money before playing and its financially stupid to give a player with his age, injury & suspension history, and off-field drama more money. Despite this, he actually has substantially more trade value than Smith.

There's an 8M cap difference between the two players. But trading away picks with smith means spending more in FA $ on players. On the flip side, trading Trent and receiving picks means we'd spend less in FA on other players, so that would eat into that 8M difference. Given everything else, I'll take Smith over Trent 100 times out of 100.

That said, in reality, one does not necessarily affect the other.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

For me, Alex Smith is a far better human being and team mate. He will have more to do with the long-term success of our franchise through his mentorship of Haskins. He has no trade value. In fact, we would probably have to trade valuable draft picks to a team just to take him.



Trent is a complete POS. He will want a new deal with more guaranteed money before playing and its financially stupid to give a player with his age, injury & suspension history, and off-field drama more money. Despite this, he actually has substantially more trade value than Smith.



There's an 8M cap difference between the two players. But trading away picks with smith means spending more in FA $ on players. On the flip side, trading Trent and receiving picks means we'd spend less in FA on other players, so that would eat into that 8M difference. Given everything else, I'll take Smith over Trent 100 times out of 100.



That said, in reality, one does not necessarily affect the other.

Trent has more trade value because he is an elite player at a critical position and everyone in the league knows BA was an ass. Keeping TW and trading AS would do far more good for our team in 2020 then vice versa, but keeping both would be good as well.

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[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Trent has more trade value because he is an elite player at a critical position and everyone in the league knows BA was an ass. Keeping TW and trading AS would do far more good for our team in 2020 then vice versa, but keeping both would be good as well.

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Funny that you mention Bruce, because you seem to be under the same delusion as he is that we are "close" to something. We're not.

Neither Trent Williams or Alex Smith will be on the team by the time we are ready to compete for anything. The only reason i'm not strongly advocating we trade BOTH of them for whatever we can get is that, I believe Haskins development is THE most important thing for this team right now. We need to find out if he's a franchise QB or not. Smith will help him reach his potential. Trent wont.

And don't give me any BS about how we need an elite LT to protect Trent. We don't. Donald Penn did an excellent job last year at a fraction of the cost. We can resign Penn, another FA, or use the pick we trade TW for to draft someone to protect him at a much, much more reasonable price.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Funny that you mention Bruce, because you seem to be under the same delusion as he is that we are "close" to something. We're not.



Neither Trent Williams or Alex Smith will be on the team by the time we are ready to compete for anything. The only reason i'm not strongly advocating we trade BOTH of them for whatever we can get is that, I believe Haskins development is THE most important thing for this team right now. We need to find out if he's a franchise QB or not. Smith will help him reach his potential. Trent wont.



And don't give me any BS about how we need an elite LT to protect Trent. We don't. Donald Penn did an excellent job last year at a fraction of the cost. We can resign Penn, another FA, or use the pick we trade TW for to draft someone to protect him at a much, much more reasonable price.

We are within a 2 year window, TW could easily be given a 2 year guaranteed contract with no increase in cap.

That said keeping TW is truly dependent on price vs what we could get in trade. If we get offered a first or second, trade him. If he wants guaranteed top 5 money trade him. But if he is willing to reach a reasonable deal that includes guarantees but not salary inflation, keep him.

As for AS, Ron Rivera was in charge of Cam Newton's growth and maturity from day one, I don'r see ANY benefit to keeping a DS best bud in the ear of Haskins, even if he means no harm.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

For me, Alex Smith is a far better human being and team mate. He will have more to do with the long-term success of our franchise through his mentorship of Haskins. He has no trade value. In fact, we would probably have to trade valuable draft picks to a team just to take him.

I respect how willing you are to stick to your belief that it's all about the money for Trent and the cancer/beef with Bruce and Larry Hess was just a distraction. Let's see how it plays out though.

I believe the staff changes and the new regime has made a reconciliation possible. And I'm not concerned with how you view Trent as a teammate unless you're in the locker room. If the other players would be happy to have Trent back (which I'm 1000% sure they would given his previous status as a team leader) that's good enough for me.

And as valuable as Alex Smith is, Haskins will have Rivera, Scott Turner, and whoever our qb coach is to learn from. He will either sink or swim, depending on how bad he wants it.

I'm pretty sure any team taking Smith knows it would be a salary dump, but I wouldn't expect to give up anything more than a 3rd day draft pick, which I'm fine with. We could always use the cap relief.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mooby

I respect how willing you are to stick to your belief that it's all about the money for Trent and the cancer/beef with Bruce and Larry Hess was just a distraction. Let's see how it plays out though.

We will see. My position comes from Trents own statements regarding his motives and the multiple lies he's been caught in. If Trent comes back, apologizes for his toxic behavior, approves the independent investigation into his alleged medical malpractice, and plays out his current contract without demanding guaranteed money, then I will gladly admit I was wrong. But even in that scenario, the smarter thing for this team to do would be to trade him for compensation.

I believe the staff changes and the new regime has made a reconciliation possible. And I'm not concerned with how you view Trent as a teammate unless you're in the locker room. If the other players would be happy to have Trent back (which I'm 1000% sure they would given his previous status as a team leader) that's good enough for me.

I agree that reconciliation is possible - if the skins give Trent guaranteed money and an extension, which i think would be incredibly stupid based entirely on his age, injury, and suspension history. We are not a team that is already elite and just needs a stud LT to make the superbowl. We are not a team that will benefit from barely making the playoffs in 2020 and then losing Trent in the offseason. We need players who can help us build SUSTAINED SUCCESS and Trent is not part of that equation.

And as valuable as Alex Smith is, Haskins will have Rivera, Scott Turner, and whoever our qb coach is to learn from. He will either sink or swim, depending on how bad he wants it.

I agree with this. However, all the evidence so far indicates Haskins is most likely to be a bust. Haskins has done nothing without Smiths help to demonstrate he has he maturity and drive to be a pro. I don't think he has that inner drive to be a leader and franchise QB yet. He can get there, but I genuinely believe Smith is crucial to helping him build that mindset. Its too early to take the training wheels off. (It shouldn't be, but this is one of the many reasons why Haskins was a reach where we took him last year).

I'm pretty sure any team taking Smith knows it would be a salary dump, but I wouldn't expect to give up anything more than a 3rd day draft pick, which I'm fine with. We could always use the cap relief.

I'm fine with a 3rd day pick, too. But if our primary goal is cap relief, trading TW makes even more sense as he could provide 67% of the relief and net us a substantially better pick.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I understand that point, but, we'd probably have to trade Chicago picks to take on the contract and salary cap hit. Also, by all accounts, it was Alex Smith who motivated Haskins to stop being a lazy/entitled and start putting in the effort to be an NFL QB.

Lets not forget, his college teammates have all indicated that football is not his life or focus. He did not live and breathe football at Ohio State. Early on in the season, his redskins team mates were shocked he didn't know the playbook. He hadn't bothered to study it because he was butt-hurt that he wasn't the starter. He was chewing out his experienced veteran offensive linemen on the sidelines when he had not done anything to earn their respect himself by putting in the work. And lets not forget selfie-gate. Yes - It happened a while ago, but he recently retweeted it and referenced his love for the fans, so he does not seem to have matured much since then. Rivera benched Cam newton for not wearing a tie on the team plane - how do you think he'd have handled Dwayne missing the last snap to take a selfie? And finally, Haskins wasn't there for Riveras press conference. If Haskins wanted to demonstrate he was all-in on football and wanted to make a good impression, he would have adjusted his vacation plans to be there.

I'm not saying all this to say that Haskins is going to be a bust. I'm just highlighting that we shouldn't allow a couple of games where he showed improvement to make us think he'll automatically continue to develop, progress, and mature. By all appearances, he's going to have a completely new offensive coaching staff and new offensive system. I think it would really, really, help give Haskins the best chance to succeed and become the franchise QB Snyder drafted him to be if we keep his mentor - the guy who he himself credited with his turnaround - on the roster.

This is a great post. I am totally bought into the notion that Rivera is the new sheriff in town for everything. Haskins will have to earn everything going forward. If he doesn't put in the effort, he will be gone. Rivera will demand it, and this franchise needs it. Culture change folks. Rivera's relationship/handling of Haskins may be the most intriguing relationship, other than Snyder, going forward.