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Old 06-07-2019, 01:44 PM   #196
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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal

Can't believe there is 14 pages to this thread when the answer is simple. Does not matter what team we are talking about, the owners holds all of the cards. The player has absolutely ZERO leverage. That is the way it is done with NFL contracts and it was collectively bargained. Meaning the players union agreed to it.

The team does not have to do anything. Nothing. Talk new deal all you want, but the facts of the matter are this:

- TW has 2 years on his current contract.
- Ownership retains his rights unless he is released, or they let him walk after the contract is done.
- Even if TW says "Eff-U, I'm retiring". If he 'unretires' in say 2 years, Washington still owns his rights and he is back at square one. But 2 years older and 2 years removed from Football. And still a Washington Redskin.

He can demand his release all he wants. When the club does not release him, his only recourse is either:
- Holdout into the regular season, thereby leaving millions on the table when he is not getting paid and being fined.
- Play

This is a game of chicken Williams cannot win.

That is it. Club does not have to do anything, again they hold 100% all of the leverage in this.

I stand my my previous statement that once game checks and paydays are at stake, Trent Williams will shut up about this, have a change of heart and suit up. Of course there will be the obligatory-face-saving press release from Trents camp that goes a little like "Trent wants to put his entire focus on the Redskins season and does not want any distractions regarding contract negotiations to hinder that, therefore it is his decision that he will forego any contract negotiations until the end of the season."

Sound familiar? That press release is a template on every agents Office365.
Just so happens the end of the regular season is when he will have 1 season on his current deal. That is when a deal gets done.
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Old 06-07-2019, 02:22 PM   #197
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can't believe there is 14 pages to this thread when the answer is simple. Does not matter what team we are talking about, the owners holds all of the cards. the player has absolutely zero leverage. That is the way it is done with nfl contracts and it was collectively bargained. Meaning the players union agreed to it.

The team does not have to do anything. Nothing. Talk new deal all you want, but the facts of the matter are this:

- tw has 2 years on his current contract.
- ownership retains his rights unless he is released, or they let him walk after the contract is done.
- even if tw says "eff-u, i'm retiring". If he 'unretires' in say 2 years, washington still owns his rights and he is back at square one. But 2 years older and 2 years removed from football. And still a washington redskin.

He can demand his release all he wants. When the club does not release him, his only recourse is either:
- holdout into the regular season, thereby leaving millions on the table when he is not getting paid and being fined.
- play

this is a game of chicken williams cannot win.

That is it. Club does not have to do anything, again they hold 100% all of the leverage in this.

I stand my my previous statement that once game checks and paydays are at stake, trent williams will shut up about this, have a change of heart and suit up. Of course there will be the obligatory-face-saving press release from trents camp that goes a little like "trent wants to put his entire focus on the redskins season and does not want any distractions regarding contract negotiations to hinder that, therefore it is his decision that he will forego any contract negotiations until the end of the season."

sound familiar? That press release is a template on every agents office365.
Just so happens the end of the regular season is when he will have 1 season on his current deal. That is when a deal gets done.
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Old 06-07-2019, 02:33 PM   #198
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The exception comes with star players, that's their leverage. Otherwise holdouts would never work. Star players get their way more often than not.
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Old 06-07-2019, 02:47 PM   #199
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The exception comes with star players, that's their leverage. Otherwise holdouts would never work. Star players get their way more often than not.
I will concede your point. But the only time it has worked in the players favor was when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993. Smith held out for the first 2 weeks of the regular season, and the Cowboys started out 0-2. Smith got his payday that week and Dallas went 14-2 after that.

BUT>....that was a different time and a different CBA. I cannot recall a recent holdout except for LaVeon Bell. But Steelers run game did not slip too much without Bell last season.
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I will concede your point. But the only time it has worked in the players favor was when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993. Smith held out for the first 2 weeks of the regular season, and the Cowboys started out 0-2. Smith got his payday that week and Dallas went 14-2 after that.

BUT>....that was a different time and a different CBA. I cannot recall a recent holdout except for LaVeon Bell. But Steelers run game did not slip too much without Bell last season.
Thatís the thing out Oline would dramatically be downgraded without TW out there. With him continuing to age and his injury history. I would rather put him on the trading block and see whatís out there while he is still worth something than to have him be this years Mason Foster. His position and the lack of depth we have there puts quite a bit of power in his hands. Yes the Redskins hold his fate but he can put forth the bare minimum and we lose all around.
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:23 PM   #201
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So now that Bruce has talked to the media, what will Sheehan and Loverro criticize Allen for now?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...now-what-truth
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:23 PM   #202
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maybe Atl would trade McGary straight up for TW. we could free up cap space and get a good young nasty tackle?
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So now that Bruce has talked to the media, what will Sheehan and Loverro criticize Allen for now?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...now-what-truth
FYI cooley on Sheehan today and itís good. Cooley said this is a big deal especially when Trent is probably the most respected player on the team. Cooley said he couldnít imagine the team doctor not giving Trent proper time, advice and treatment.
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:35 PM   #204
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sandtrapjack... we literally have nothing behind Williams. And at some point we'll be playing a rookie QB. That is his leverage. Yeah the team has more leverage, but he does have some.

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.
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sandtrapjack... we literally have nothing behind Williams. And at some point we'll be playing a rookie QB. That is his leverage. Yeah the team has more leverage, but he does have some.

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.
Ty probably wanted to leave so he could start in Buffalo
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I will concede your point. But the only time it has worked in the players favor was when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993. Smith held out for the first 2 weeks of the regular season, and the Cowboys started out 0-2. Smith got his payday that week and Dallas went 14-2 after that.

BUT>....that was a different time and a different CBA. I cannot recall a recent holdout except for LaVeon Bell. But Steelers run game did not slip too much without Bell last season.
Usually it doesn't get to holdout, players renegotiate deals all the time
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:02 PM   #207
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FYI cooley on Sheehan today and itís good. Cooley said this is a big deal especially when Trent is probably the most respected player on the team. Cooley said he couldnít imagine the team doctor not giving Trent proper time, advice and treatment.
Yeah, I listed to it as well. We certainly don't have all the details, but more likely than not, this is almost entirely about the money.
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I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.
We already have the highest paid offensive line in the league... and we're trying to extend Scherff. Spending $6-7M on a backup tackle would have been incredibly foolish. As would giving TW more money now.

This is the reality of the salary cap, having other needs, and 12% of your cap used up by Alex Smith for the next two years.
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So now that Bruce has talked to the media, what will Sheehan and Loverro criticize Allen for now?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...now-what-truth
Nothing good can come of Bruce Allen speaking on this subject. Nothing. I would literally prefer anyone else in the organization. At least Allen didn't call him "Brent."
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We already have the highest paid offensive line in the league... and we're trying to extend Scherff. Spending $6-7M on a backup tackle would have been incredibly foolish. As would giving TW more money now.

This is the reality of the salary cap, having other needs, and 12% of your cap used up by Alex Smith for the next two years.
I don't why but I was under the impression that we could cut Smith at the end of the 2019 season, apparently we kinda can't:

https://overthecap.com/player/alex-smith/784/
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