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Old 09-19-2015, 02:10 PM   #61
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Over 90% of Planned Parenthood's services focus on women's health and prevention. Why the GOP is so obsessed with telling women what they can't do with their bodies amazes me.

Fact Check: How Does Planned Parenthood Spend That Government Money? : It's All Politics : NPR
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Old 09-19-2015, 02:25 PM   #62
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long article.....but well worth
This is ....shocking to say the......very least, Damn


The US National Institutes of Health, which funded the grisly harvesting and experiment, has refused to provide any written proof that ABR holds informed consent forms, nor has the NIH confirmed that mothers were told by ABR that organs from their dead babies would be transplanted into genetically-engineered mice.
ABR has also supplied baby hearts for transplantation into pigs, and fetal stem cells.



We asked O’Brien whether she felt modern scientists were stepping into a dark pedigree.

“Do you see a correlation between the boundaries of science and experimentation on humans in this area, and the dreams of Nazi Josef Mengele and others back in World War 2 and the kind of experiments they were conducting?”

“No.”

Mengele had taken particular interest in dissecting live infants for medical experiments.

“You see no correlation?”

There was a pause as O’Brien drew in her breath. “What you’re trying to get me to say is that research on human fetal tissue is morally and ethically wrong, and I’m not going to say that. Because obviously I’m working on the tissue. I think the information to be gained is extremely valuable and it’s not something taken in lightly. I don’t think the information I use can be interpreted and used for eugenics. The reason that we have ethics committees is so we don’t have a scientific free for all.”


It is a modern, relativistic idea that you can sacrifice the few for the good of the many. Indeed, this was one of the justifications Hitler used in whipping up hatred against Jewish, Gypsy and gay minorities. In 21st century form, the argument is more subtle: that if a cure for crippling diseases can be found by harvesting fetal organs from abortions, or growing human embryos in the laboratory for stem cell harvesting, then the deaths of those infants are justifiable because of the perceived greater good to the community at large.



At the Nuremberg War Crimes trials, evidence was presented of horrific scientific experiments being performed on cap-tives in the concentration camps. The Nazi medics on trial attempted to justify it by saying the test subjects were due to die anyway and the knowledge gained would benefit the rest of humanity.




At the Mayfair Women’s Clinic in Aurora, Colorado, staff admitted under cross examination in court that they had so many aborted babies to get rid of that clinician Dr James Parks used to put the bodies of larger babies (up to week 22) into meat grinders so the remains could be reduced to the consistency of toothpaste and flushed down sinks.

Leaked documents from inside abortion clinics have hit the headlines across the US, and they make dark reading. They’re order forms from scientists to agencies like Advanced Bio-science Resources, instructing what parts they need and how to get them.

“Dissect fetal liver and thymus and occasional lymph node from fetal cadaver within 10 (minutes of death).” “Arms and legs need not be intact.” “Intact brains preferred, but large pieces of brain may be usable.”

Or this, from a scientist studying the “Biochemical Characterization of human type X Collagen,” who requests “Whole intact leg, include entire hip joint, 22-24 weeks gest.”

The harvesting technician is asked to “dissect by cutting through symphasis pubis and include whole Illium [hip joint]. To be removed from fetal cadaver within 10 minutes.”




A division of Missouri and Illinois-based Consultative and Diagnostic Pathology Inc, Opening Lines made no bones about the fact it was in business to make money. A 20/20 producer, posing as a potential investor in the 11 year old company, visited its founder, pathologist Dr Miles Jones.

Jones, unaware he was being recorded on a hidden video camera, explained how his company obtained fetal parts from clinics across America for shipment to research labs.

“It’s market force,” Dr. Jones told the producer about how he sets his prices. “It’s what you can sell it for.” He said he was looking to set up an abortion clinic in Mexico in order to get more fetal tissue by luring women in with cut-price abortions.

“If you control the flow — it’s probably the equivalent of the invention of the assembly line.”

As to the financial benefits of his business, Jones was brutal about the demand from researchers: “If you have a guy that’s desperate for, let’s say, a heart, then he’ll pay you whatever you ask,” he said.

“That’s trading in body parts. There’s no doubt about it,” Arthur Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania’s Center for Bioethics, told the Alberta Report newspaper after reviewing Jones’ statements.

The Opening Lines corporate brochure reads more like a supermarket advertisement than an ethical, dignified approach to the death of a baby.

“The freshest tissue prepared to your specifications and delivered in the quantities you need it.”




Based on Linda Tracy’s interview with Investigate, it now appears certain that no donating mother gave informed consent for her baby’s body parts to be transplanted into human/mouse hybrids, or injected into the veins of rats. Little wonder the US Government National Institutes of Health refused to release informed consent forms from ABR regarding those projects.
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Old 09-19-2015, 02:27 PM   #63
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Over 90% of Planned Parenthood's services focus on women's health and prevention. Why the GOP is so obsessed with telling women what they can't do with their bodies amazes me.

Fact Check: How Does Planned Parenthood Spend That Government Money? : It's All Politics : NPR


I think they are concerned about killing babies?? are you?
like a million a year in this county for convenience sake....nice
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Old 09-19-2015, 02:36 PM   #64
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Well, it's not as bad as I thought. PP....only does about 300k abortions a year. THAT would only fill FedEx Field about 4 times.....
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Old 09-19-2015, 03:00 PM   #65
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I think they are concerned about killing babies?? are you?
like a million a year in this county for convenience sake....nice
Sorry I'm pro choice.

I find it funny they don't want to "kill babies", but they don't want to support them either. Can't have it both ways. Similar to the wage issue, they don't want to pay livable wages, yet they don't want to expand welfare.
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Old 09-19-2015, 03:20 PM   #66
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Sorry I'm pro choice.

I find it funny they don't want to "kill babies", but they don't want to support them either. Can't have it both ways. Similar to the wage issue, they don't want to pay livable wages, yet they don't want to expand welfare.
I think you mean Pro Convenience.
Let's call it what is in simplest form. We are killing a million babies a year for no better reason than the failure to wear a dollar condom......solid reasoning. Not quite as....clean as "Pro Choice"
Oh.....I forgot, hacking them to pieces and selling their body parts to the highest bidder as well.
Oh BTW, I'm on the fence with Pro life/choice, but something has to change
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Old 09-20-2015, 10:02 AM   #67
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Enough with the theatrics. "Babies" aren't being killed and they certainly aren't being sold off for profit. And that condom you want people to wear isn't something the anti contraceptive right agrees with.

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Old 09-20-2015, 12:33 PM   #68
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plenty on the right want abstinence only education too, which doesn't work, especially if the aim is preventing unwanted births.
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Old 09-20-2015, 12:54 PM   #69
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....Really? To theatrical?

BTW, I do not need the Fed or anybody else to tell me what is right or not. I wear a $100 pair of kicks, I can afford a condom...maybe 2...personal responsibility


A couple of excerpts from the article I posted earlier:

"To make matters doubly embarrassing for authorities, the trafficking was taking place inside abortion clinics run by Planned Parenthood, the US affiliate of New Zealand’s Family Planning organization."

"In the United States, trafficking in baby parts for profit is a criminal offense. But to get around the problem, universities and researchers pay a fee – not for the parts themselves but for the “cost of extraction”. Thus, there are different fees depending on the amount of work involved. And shipping and handling is extra."


"They were coming out alive. The doctor would either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and basically beat the fetus until it was dead.”


A division of Missouri and Illinois-based Consultative and Diagnostic Pathology Inc, Opening Lines made no bones about the fact it was in business to make money. A 20/20 producer, posing as a potential investor in the 11 year old company, visited its founder, pathologist Dr Miles Jones.

Jones, unaware he was being recorded on a hidden video camera, explained how his company obtained fetal parts from clinics across America for shipment to research labs.

“It’s market force,” Dr. Jones told the producer about how he sets his prices. “It’s what you can sell it for.” He said he was looking to set up an abortion clinic in Mexico in order to get more fetal tissue by luring women in with cut-price abortions.

“If you control the flow — it’s probably the equivalent of the invention of the assembly line.”

As to the financial benefits of his business, Jones was brutal about the demand from researchers: “If you have a guy that’s desperate for, let’s say, a heart, then he’ll pay you whatever you ask,” he said.




A few more from another article:
"Kelly" (a pseudonym) was a medical technician working for a firm that trafficked in baby body parts. This is not a bad joke. Nor is it the hysterical propaganda of an interest group. It was reported in The American Enterprise magazine -- the intelligent, thought-provoking and utterly trustworthy publication of the American Enterprise Institute.

The firm Kelly worked for collected fetuses from clinics that performed late-term abortions. She would dissect the aborted fetuses in order to obtain "high-quality" parts for sale. They were interested in blood, eyes, livers, brains and thymuses, among other things.

"What we did was to have a contract with an abortion clinic that would allow us to go there on certain days. We would get a generated list each day to tell us what tissue researchers, pharmaceutical companies and universities were looking for. Then we would examine the patient charts.

We only wanted the most perfect specimens." That didn't turn out to be difficult. Of the hundreds of late-term fetuses Kelly saw on a weekly basis, only about 2 percent had abnormalities. About 30 to 40 babies per week were around 30 weeks old -- well past the point of viability.

Is this legal? Federal law makes it illegal to buy and sell human body parts. But there are loopholes in the law. Here's how one body parts company -- Opening Lines Inc. -- disguised the trade in a brochure for abortionists: "Turn your patient's decision into something wonderful."

For its buyers, Opening Lines offers "the highest quality, most affordable, freshest tissue prepared to your specifications and delivered in the quantities you need, when you need it."

Eyes and ears go for $75, and brains for $999. An "intact trunk" fetches $500, a whole liver $150. To evade the law's prohibition, body-parts dealers like Opening Lines offer to lease space in the abortion clinic to "perform the harvesting," as well as to "offset [the] clinic's overhead."

Opening Lines further boasted, "Our daily average case volume exceeds 1500 and we serve clinics across the United States."

Kelly kept at her grisly task until something made her reconsider. One day, "a set of twins at 24 weeks gestation was brought to us in a pan. They were both alive. The doctor came back and said, 'Got you some good specimens -- twins.'

I looked at him and said: 'There's something wrong here. They are moving. I can't do this. This is not in my contract.' I told him I would not be part of taking their lives. So he took a bottle of sterile water and poured it in the pan until the fluid came up over their mouths and noses, letting them drown. I left the room because I could not watch this."

If you need any more theatrics, the info string is....endless
This shit is totally Nazi..esc. I had no idea
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Old 09-20-2015, 01:44 PM   #70
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plenty on the right want abstinence only education too, which doesn't work, especially if the aim is preventing unwanted births.
Plenty in this country want...socialism, it seems as well. Who gives a shit? wrong is wrong.......
especially if the aim is preventing unwanted births.
....totally agree
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Old 09-21-2015, 06:43 PM   #71
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Old 09-22-2015, 09:09 PM   #73
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Re: Republican nominee for President

She's just keeping following the presumed Democratic nominee's footsteps:
Scarborough: 'Stunning' That Hillary Still Lying About Email | Mediaite

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How do you know a politician's lying?
They have a pulse.
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Old 09-22-2015, 09:31 PM   #74
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Stunning that anybody cares.
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Old 09-22-2015, 09:39 PM   #75
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Same ol' same ol', right. After all, the Clintons have pretty much had a looong career of lying to America....
Nothing new here.
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