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[That Guy]

yeah, cause one idiot fires a gun, you have full authority to murder 2000 peaceful protestors (though these guys weren't exactly entirely peaceful).

i'll remember that next time some wack job tries to shoot up a school.

"oh, shots fired - let's just bring in some tanks and blow the entire building apart. those people stuck inside aren't students anymore, they're the enemy"


i'm just glad some of the people in this thread aren't in charge of response teams. you guys are scary and/or crazy and/or not really thinking about what you're suggesting.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah, cause one idiot fires a gun, you have full authority to murder 2000 peaceful protestors (though these guys weren't exactly entirely peaceful).

i'll remember that next time some wack job tries to shoot up a school.

"oh, shots fired - let's just bring in some tanks and blow the entire building apart. those people stuck inside aren't students anymore, they're the enemy"


i'm just glad some of the people in this thread aren't in charge of response teams. you guys are scary and/or crazy and/or not really thinking about what you're suggesting.

Peaceful? This is a hostile crowd attacking the embassy. You should fire warning shots up in the air and if that doesn't get them to scramble you shoot them in the face. I'm confident this is probably what happened but there was just too many of them.


...and this is coming from someone who has been deemed a liberal on this forum.

As for the stupid comparison to Blackwater, there is no moral equivalence.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Peaceful? This is a hostile crowd attacking the embassy. You should fire warning shots up in the air and if that doesn't get them to scramble you shoot them in the face. I'm confident this is probably what happened but there was just too many of them.


...and this is coming from someone who has been deemed a liberal on this forum.

As for the stupid comparison to Blackwater, there is no moral equivalence.

saden and I don't agree on a lot politically, but I'm certainly in line with his Rules of Engagement.

This was a coordinated attack with insider support (at least it appears so in Libya). Response must be to devastate the groups that coordinated these attacks...wherever they are. If the host country does not support our tactical response.....and/or decide to get in the way....they go down too.

These violent extremists only understand force....nothing else.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

saden and I don't agree on a lot politically, but I'm certainly in line with his Rules of Engagement.

This was a coordinated attack with insider support (at least it appears so in Libya). Response must be to devastate the groups that coordinated these attacks...wherever they are. If the host country does not support our tactical response.....and/or decide to get in the way....they go down too.

These violent extremists only understand force....nothing else.

I am glad we agree and I hope we are on the same page in condemning Romney's disgraceful performance in the past 24 hours.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am glad we agree and I hope we are on the same page in condemning Romney's disgraceful performance in the past 24 hours.

I really wish we weren't in an election season right now. I believe it would've been best for Romney to make a statement condeming the acts forcefully and that we should never apologize for our freedom of speech, without taking shots at the POTUS. Better to wait and point out differences in strategy/position in the foreign policy debate.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by saden1

Peaceful? This is a hostile crowd attacking the embassy. You should fire warning shots up in the air and if that doesn't get them to scramble you shoot them in the face. I'm confident this is probably what happened but there was just too many of them.


...and this is coming from someone who has been deemed a liberal on this forum.

As for the stupid comparison to Blackwater, there is no moral equivalence.

Whos going to fire the shots?
There were no Marines at this consulate. They were at the embassy in Tripoli.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Whos going to fire the shots?
There were no Marines at this consulate. They were at the embassy in Tripoli.

I thought 2 marines were killed in the attack.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

I thought 2 marines killed in the attack.

You are correct.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by saden1

I thought 2 marines were killed in the attack.

Link?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is gut wrenching and truly upsetting. Once live fire is heard there's no such thing as a civilian...you fire at will and in all directions.

I agree with you fully on this.

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yea right....thats what got Blackwater in such deep sh1t.

First off, the Blackwater thing is totally different. Not even in the same ball park. Secondly, the US Embassy is American soil, and any attempt to breach that land is a act of aggression and it should be dealt with severely.

Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah, cause one idiot fires a gun, you have full authority to murder 2000 peaceful protestors (though these guys weren't exactly entirely peaceful).

Like I said above, the US embassy is American soil. It's no different if they landed on our beaches and started attacking random places. They needed to be put down swiftly and harshly. The peaceful protestors wouldn't be trying to breach the compound, they would be outside still protesting. For anybody trying to climb the walls, or enter the compound, it should be a shoot to kill type scenario. These are simple rules of engagement.


They have a movie about this VERY type of scenario that happened(breached embassy by armed crowd). It rightfully is called Rules of Engagement. Watch it.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They have a movie about this VERY type of scenario that happened(breached embassy by armed crowd). It rightfully is called Rules of Engagement.

trust me, i understand RoE I was just saying, we shouldn't be throwing around invasions of foreign countries like that should be our first response to every american death (unless those suggesting it are about to go enlist or are cool with being drafted and sent to the desert for the next 10-20 years). We had some very extreme reactionary suggestions in the thread that just weren't/aren't based in reality.

if you read my other post, based on embassy defense in africa, the best course is to snipe the leaders/heavy weapons and it tends to chill the crowd the %$^ out pretty quick. I heard reports they might not have even had live ammo though, and certainly not enough people to protect against the size of crowd that showed up.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

trust me, i understand RoE I was just saying, we shouldn't be throwing around invasions of foreign countries like that should be our first response to every american death (unless those suggesting it are about to go enlist or are cool with being drafted and sent to the desert for the next 10-20 years). We had some very extreme reactionary suggestions in the thread that just weren't/aren't based in reality.

if you read my other post, based on embassy defense in africa, the best course is to snipe the leaders/heavy weapons and it tends to chill the crowd the %$^ out pretty quick. I heard reports they might not have even had live ammo though, and certainly not enough people to protect against the size of crowd that showed up.

Correct. You don't invade a country because a band of insurgents raided your embassy. Had the Libyan government raided the compound, that would be a different story. I'm all for mounting heavy machine guns on the corners of the embassy buildings.


...or set up some motion detector machine guns in the courtyard like these.





Also, this:

[NC_Skins]

Protester dies after inhaling fumes from burning American flag | Fox News

I generally don't like to laugh at people's deaths or misfortune's, but Ill make an exception in this guy's case. Darwin award candidate?

[NC_Skins]

Netanyahu says world must draw "red line" for Iran - Yahoo! News

**** this guy. Really.


Also, what's with this drawing? It's as if he had some 5 year old kid make this.

[Alvin Walton]

LOL...you guys crack me up.
Its been widely reported that Al Qaeda was responsible for this.
Not the civilian mob that was on the scene.
We've been drooping drone poop on them for a long time and will continue to do so.

"They go down too" .....lol