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Old 04-21-2021, 09:09 AM   #46
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

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There is not enough reliable information to make anything except a blind guess, which is all most mock drafts are. I also think some of the names draftniks love are not those FOs love.

I think top-3 QBs and Sewell, Pitts, Chase go top-10 or before we pick. Beyond that, who knows?

You'd love to see teams draft 5 QBs and 3-4 WRs before we pick so we get a guy rated much higher than 19, but. . .

If we have no T with high grade left on board and all 5 QBs gone, I hope we trade back, barring something absurd like Parsons falling. I prefer proven PASS blocking LTs, I don't care about run blocking, which means some Ts draftniks rate high I would have no interest in.

If we exit round 1 with one of franchise LTs, that would be best outcome in my opinion. As to who we'll pick, I don't know nor does anyone, so seems pointless to just throw darts at a board. Most years don't find franchise LT sitting there at 20 or so where we hopefully pick long term, so get one now. You can always find LBs or WRs. Stud pass blocking LTs much rarer, and again, one of 5 high-leverage positions. Outside of top-tier Ts, lot of guys in second tier very similar, trading down thus may be smart. My ideal draft would be multiple trade downs and we walk away with LT,RT,OLB,ILB,OLB,FS,FS,QB,QB,RB,WR,CB,TE,TE. That's 14 picks we could easily make, even if you knock one or two off, 12 picks. I would much rather have 2 #2s and 3 #3s and 2 #4s (or whatever) and no #1 and maybe get 5-6 starters--unless franchise LT sitting there at 19. We still have severe talent deficit from previous mismanagement and need 10-15 quality players. Thus I would trade down every chance I could so next year we don't have to sign 8 FAs and still don't have holes all over roster. This is MUCH more important than any single player at any pick, except a franchise QB or franchise LT. If I were GM, my focus would be drafting 2 QBs (never would have signed Fitz) and drafting 2 Ts so can let Moses and Lucas walk next year, without reaching for need. If LB waits a year, not optimal, but oh well. You win in trenches and never win multiple SBs without franchise QB, so I'd be using lottery picks on QB without trading up and focus on making OL as dominant as DL.

Will be interesting if Lance or Jones falls to 13 or so, and if we trade up, but who knows if that will happen.
Scalper, tell me who the franchise LT is at 19
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Old 04-21-2021, 09:38 AM   #47
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Probably 3 terrible busts from the top 5 QB this year.

Jones, Lance stand out immediately. Fields in that group too.

Never before have I heard so much certainty from so called experts on these guys when it comes to potential. These fuckin clowns.

I would avoid first round QB this year, it’s a wildly overrated class. Skins should also not draft one in the second round, third rounds. We have 3 QB on the roster, take this year to continue to add talent to the areas we need it most, it would be much more impactful
Yeah out of the whole group I'd be shocked if 2 make it long term at most 3.

And I bet there will be a later RD GUY that has a Cousins like career

If I had to bet I'd say Lawrence of course and then Lance will be the 2 good ones. I just don't trust OSU QBs after Haskins.. I know they are different and Fields is way better but until its proven I won't buy it
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Old 04-21-2021, 09:41 AM   #48
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Scalper, tell me who the franchise LT is at 19
Exactly.

There won't be one. You'd be better off trading the 19th pick for Orlando Brown Jr. if you are that bent on landing a "franchise" LT at that spot. BTW, I'm not suggesting they do that...

The only projected franchise LT in this draft is Sewell, and there are plenty of talent evaluators that have mixed opinions about that - given his year off. Slater is projected to be the 2nd OT off the board, but many think his best fit will be at guard, and that Darrisaw has a higher ceiling at LT than Slater. After that - Mayfield, Jenkins, Radunz, Little, Brown, Christensen, Leatherwood, Cosmi, Eichenberg... take your pick, but no need to draft one of these guys at 19.
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Old 04-21-2021, 09:52 AM   #49
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Yeah out of the whole group I'd be shocked if 2 make it long term at most 3.

And I bet there will be a later RD GUY that has a Cousins like career

If I had to bet I'd say Lawrence of course and then Lance will be the 2 good ones. I just don't trust OSU QBs after Haskins.. I know they are different and Fields is way better but until its proven I won't buy it
I think the stats speak for themselves when drafting a QB in the first round. I have also read recently WR in the first round is widely volatile as well.
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Old 04-21-2021, 09:42 PM   #50
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...-blessing.html
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

History shows 2 or 3 out of the 5 that will go in the first round will bust. Jones to me isn't even a first rounder.
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Old 04-22-2021, 08:24 AM   #52
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This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...-blessing.html
This is an outstanding article...thanks for sharing.

Parsons could be the best defensive player in the class...I wouldn’t have a problem moving up a little if he fell
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

I don't think Parsons will be there at 19
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But I thought he had all kind of character issues and red flags that would cause him to slide...
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

Micah Parsons is not falling to us and 19, but if he did it you should hand that card in immediately.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

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This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...-blessing.html
His mom thinking about murdering him as a baby has zero relevance to his draft status.

It's a local feel-good article about a Penn State player.


There are legitimate reasons so many teams do not want to draft him.

He may actually fall to 19 and if we're in a gambling mood on character issues, we might take him. It bit us hard with Guice last time we tried to overlook character issues.



Id rather take Zavan Collins or Owusu-Koramoah.
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Micah Parsons is not falling to us and 19, but if he did it you should hand that card in immediately.
Absolutely a no brainer. But like you said, there's zero chance he's there at 19.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

If there weren't this crazy infatuation with this year's "top 5" QBs, he'd be gone inside 5. He still might be.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:19 AM   #59
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

CB Asante Samuel ... thats my pick as who we take. A bit early but some reports have him being the best CB in the draft, bit undersized, CB is not a huge need now for us but I think they go BPA based on their board and they have Samuel high.

edit - I dont think I would take Samuel at 19 personally, trade back into late1st yes but not at 19. This is my guess on what the skins will do.

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

WFT should stick at 19 and take whichever player is ranked highest on this list who remains available when they pick:

1) Trevor Lawrence
2) Zach Wilson
3) Penei Sewell
4) Kyle Pitts
5tie) Jaylen Waddle
5tie) Ja'Marr Chase
7) Justin Fields
8) Micah Parsons
9) Trey Lance
10) Caleb Farley
11) DeVonta Smith
12) Patrick Surtain
13tie) Rashawn Slater
13tie) Christian Darrisaw
15) Mac Jones
16) Teven Jenkins
17) Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
18) Zaven Collins
19) Alijah Vera-Tucker (G-T versatility)

There are some edge dudes that belong in this top 19 list, but like F we need an edge. Boy does it feel good to say that.
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