Current 2014 Free Agents

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Hopefully Allen goes by his reputation and is cheap and doesn't try to make any splashes. Just sign players for depth. Maybe get a cheap starter.

This I can't quite comprehend, Why would a 3-10 team just be looking for depth? We have some depth. It's quality starters that we don't have at many positions.

We have no safeties.
We have no Offensive RT.
We have no #2 Receiver.
We need upgrades at OG and C.
We need at least one starter at ILB.
We need a shut down CB.
We need a PR/KR.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This I can't quite comprehend, Why would a 3-10 team just be looking for depth? We have some depth. It's quality starters that we don't have at many positions.

We have no safeties.
We have no Offensive RT.
We have no #2 Receiver.
We need upgrades at OG and C.
We need at least one starter at ILB.
We need a shut down CB.
We need a PR/KR.

That's a pretty good rundown on our needs.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That's a pretty good rundown on our needs.

Thanks. I forgot Punter. Scary, ain't it?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This I can't quite comprehend, Why would a 3-10 team just be looking for depth? We have some depth. It's quality starters that we don't have at many positions.

We have no safeties.
We have no Offensive RT.
We have no #2 Receiver.
We need upgrades at OG and C.
We need at least one starter at ILB.
We need a shut down CB.
We need a PR/KR.

Because using free agency to find starters and to build your team doesn't really work. Redskins have to draft well and build a foundation of starters than they can go and use free agency to find a starter or two.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Because using free agency to find starters and to build your team doesn't really work. Redskins have to draft well and build a foundation of starters than they can go and use free agency to find a starter or two.

I don't see any reason why the process needs to be linear, starting with the draft. We could certainly find a young starter in FA, then draft to fill another position, or vice versa. I think it can work both ways.

The key is to not pay big dollars for older FA's. Pierre Garcon is an example of a good FA signing. The Skins signed him while he was still on the way up and they should get the full benefit of his contract.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I don't see any reason why the process needs to be linear, starting with the draft. We could certainly find a young starter in FA, then draft to fill another position, or vice versa. I think it can work both ways.

The key is to not pay big dollars for older FA's. Pierre Garcon is an example of a good FA signing. The Skins signed him while he was still on the way up and they should get the full benefit of his contract.

I have no problem signing a player to a low risk deal.

I have a problem offering any player a 50 million deal believing that one player will drastically change an outcome.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Because using free agency to find starters and to build your team doesn't really work. Redskins have to draft well and build a foundation of starters than they can go and use free agency to find a starter or two.

Vinnys not here any more.
It works for other teams.....
We need upgrades....now

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Vinnys not here any more.
It works for other teams.....
We need upgrades....now

Or the Skins can upgrade these positions through the draft and show some patience and not try to go for the immediate fix.

Tampa Bay, Miami, and Buffalo all tried to use free agency for the immediate fix. It did not work.

The only position that you can have immediate improvement through free agency is QB. Is Manning or Brees out there? If not there is no need to sign a player to a 6 year 70 million dollar deal because you want to build your team like Madden, instead of building an NFL team.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Or the Skins can upgrade these positions through the draft and show some patience and not try to go for the immediate fix.

Tampa Bay, Miami, and Buffalo all tried to use free agency for the immediate fix. It did not work.

The only position that you can have immediate improvement through free agency is QB. Is Manning or Brees out there? If not there is no need to sign a player to a 6 year 70 million dollar deal because you want to build your team like Madden, instead of building an NFL team.

i think any elite player could potentially have a huge impact. if AP switched teams, i'd have no doubt it'd be instantly noticeable. same for moss or TO day in their day. of course, you have to have other pieces too, but elite players are elite players. ST is probably the best example we've had recently... i'm sure if he swapped teams you'd see a big difference.

I do get what you're saying and generally agree though. unless you're getting a top 3 player, one FA move in and of itself isn't going to change much or guarantee wins.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i think any elite player could potentially have a huge impact. if AP switched teams, i'd have no doubt it'd be instantly noticeable. same for moss or TO day in their day. of course, you have to have other pieces too, but elite players are elite players. ST is probably the best example we've had recently... i'm sure if he swapped teams you'd see a big difference.

I do get what you're saying and generally agree though. unless you're getting a top 3 player, one FA move in and of itself isn't going to change much or guarantee wins.

Building depth and creating a well rounded team, will always be more important to me than signing an elite player. The only elite position that can drastically change a team is a QB. You have to have other pieces around that player.

Look at Adrian Peterson's current team for an example. Or Calvin Johnson's Team. Or JJ Watt's team. Those are elite players at their positions. But the team failed to build around them. That is why spending a lot of money on one player that you are not sure about how they will transfer to your team, rarely works.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Or the Skins can upgrade these positions through the draft and show some patience and not try to go for the immediate fix.

Tampa Bay, Miami, and Buffalo all tried to use free agency for the immediate fix. It did not work.

The only position that you can have immediate improvement through free agency is QB. Is Manning or Brees out there? If not there is no need to sign a player to a 6 year 70 million dollar deal because you want to build your team like Madden, instead of building an NFL team.

If you're looking to do 90% of the roster work through the draft then you're not looking to be a competitive team for at least 3-4 years and that's not realistic at all.

I got into it with a guy in another thread because he was the complete opposite of you; wanted to get rid of EVERYONE, then start signing people like crazy.

If anything it should be 50/50, 5-6 drafted players providing depth and maybe 1-2 starters out of that, then 5-6 free agent signings.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

If you're looking to do 90% of the roster work through the draft then you're not looking to be a competitive team for at least 3-4 years and that's not realistic at all.

I got into it with a guy in another thread because he was the complete opposite of you; wanted to get rid of EVERYONE, then start signing people like crazy.

If anything it should be 50/50, 5-6 drafted players providing depth and maybe 1-2 starters out of that, then 5-6 free agent signings.

I have no problem signing cheap free agents. I have a problem with creating your team by signing big names.

Seattle turned around their team in a few years drafting extremely well, using trades, and signing a few guys to team friendly deals.

Cowboys built their team the same way in the 90's under Jimmy Johnson. Look at Johnson's draft history and it is obvious why that team turned around from being 1-15.

You can use free agency, but especially with how draft money is structured now, the best way to build your team is through the draft.