Medical/Recreational Marijuana thread

[Chico23231]

Its just a matter of time now...the trend has hit the east coast. It should be decriminalized shortly

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its just a matter of time now...the trend has hit the east coast. It should be decriminalized shortly

I think eventually it will go that way, but it will still take quite some time. There's still significant political opposition to the idea.

I hate marijuana and hate when people smoke it for recreation. It disgusts me. But I've come around to the idea of legalizing. Scientific studies have shown the negative effects aren't worse than tobacco products. And those are legal.

I used to really buy into the gateway drug argument too. But after considering some more, isn't weed just a gateway drug because it's obtained illegally, and a lot of the same guys you buy weed from also have connections to other drugs? Weed wouldn't be a gateway drug if it was available at 7-11.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think eventually it will go that way, but it will still take quite some time. There's still significant political opposition to the idea.

I hate marijuana and hate when people smoke it for recreation. It disgusts me. But I've come around to the idea of legalizing. Scientific studies have shown the negative effects aren't worse than tobacco products. And those are legal.

I used to really buy into the gateway drug argument too. But after considering some more, isn't weed just a gateway drug because it's obtained illegally, and a lot of the same guys you buy weed from also have connections to other drugs? Weed wouldn't be a gateway drug if it was available at 7-11.

well, while smoking anything isn't good for your lungs. MJ isn't just "not worse than tobacco" it doesn't contain nearly the amount of harmful chemicals, carcinogens and addictive ingredients. MJ has never killed anyone... how many thousands per day/week does cigs kill?

as for the gateway... what a myth. it's based on stuff like "what's the first drug you tried" answer is always MJ. of course. the fact that some cokehead or heroin junkie first tried "drugs" with MJ when they were 15 doesn't mean one led to the other.

how come ALCOHOL is never called a gateway drug? cuz really, most everyone starts their experimentation with inebriation by drinking. once you're out drinking/partying you are likely to end up in a position to start trying drugs. how many alcohol related deaths are there per year?

so yea, i dont smoke anymore... but i'm still a supporter.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

well, while smoking anything isn't good for your lungs. MJ isn't just "not worse than tobacco" it doesn't contain nearly the amount of harmful chemicals, carcinogens and addictive ingredients. MJ has never killed anyone... how many thousands per day/week does cigs kill?

as for the gateway... what a myth. it's based on stuff like "what's the first drug you tried" answer is always MJ. of course. the fact that some cokehead or heroin junkie first tried "drugs" with MJ when they were 15 doesn't mean one led to the other.

how come ALCOHOL is never called a gateway drug? cuz really, most everyone starts their experimentation with inebriation by drinking. once you're out drinking/partying you are likely to end up in a position to start trying drugs. how many alcohol related deaths are there per year?

so yea, i dont smoke anymore... but i'm still a supporter.

This is stoner talk even if you dont smoke.

To say weed has never killed anyone is a absolute myth, especially when using the same logic that tobacco kills people via chemicals and carcinogens causing death from things like cancer. There are no chemicals or carcinogens in weed? And how many weed related deaths are there a year, would there be more if it were legal? People dont make poor choices when there high, or drive a car while there high?

Im personally all for legalizing it and think it will be a great thing when it happens. I do agree that it will dramatically reduce drug dealers and the drug trade and raise tax revenues, but more importantly, to me, it will give people the freedom to make decisions that affect their bodies themselves.

A long while ago I got a allergy test and it turns out im allergic to dust mites. So this doctor gives me some Flonase and says I should use it every day to combat my allergy. There was this girl I remembered from high school that used Afrin all time and was literately addicted to it (look it up). Also I think if you use Afrin too much you can even permanently harden normally soft nasal tissues and then have even more problems with congestion among other things. So I asked my doctor about this and it brought about a whole discussion. Pretty much everything used to be OTC back in the day and the FDA wasn’t around until about 100 years ago and they couldn’t/didn’t test things like they can/do now. So Flonase is a safe drug that can be used daily without addition or permanent long term negative effects, but there are potential interactions and side effects from it (all of which are much less substantial then potential negatives of Afrin), so it has to be regulated nowadays. Things like tylenol, advil, decongestions, and other drugs are over the counter because they have been around for a while, not because they are safer or less effective than other available prescription drugs. Remember when Claritin was available only by prescription, then it went OTC? It takes a long time for even the safest drugs to be OTC. Seriously think about it why in the hell should all these drugs be only available by prescription? Who is going to abuse Claritin or Flonase? So I guess my point is why are people unable to make decisions for themselves, whether it be to smoke weed and combat some dust mites with Flonase, or drink a beer and help relieve a headache with some advil? Its all pretty ridiculous when you think about the over regulation especially when it comes to our own bodies.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

This is stoner talk even if you dont smoke.

To say weed has never killed anyone is a absolute myth, especially when using the same logic that tobacco kills people via chemicals and carcinogens causing death from things like cancer. There are no chemicals or carcinogens in weed? And how many weed related deaths are there a year, would there be more if it were legal? People dont make poor choices when there high, or drive a car while there high?

Im personally all for legalizing it and think it will be a great thing when it happens. I do agree that it will dramatically reduce drug dealers and the drug trade and raise tax revenues, but more importantly, to me, it will give people the freedom to make decisions that affect their bodies themselves.

A long while ago I got a allergy test and it turns out im allergic to dust mites. So this doctor gives me some Flonase and says I should use it every day to combat my allergy. There was this girl I remembered from high school that used Afrin all time and was literately addicted to it (look it up). Also I think if you use Afrin too much you can even permanently harden normally soft nasal tissues and then have even more problems with congestion among other things. So I asked my doctor about this and it brought about a whole discussion. Pretty much everything used to be OTC back in the day and the FDA wasn’t around until about 100 years ago and they couldn’t/didn’t test things like they can/do now. So Flonase is a safe drug that can be used daily without addition or permanent long term negative effects, but there are potential interactions and side effects from it (all of which are much less substantial then potential negatives of Afrin), so it has to be regulated nowadays. Things like tylenol, advil, decongestions, and other drugs are over the counter because they have been around for a while, not because they are safer or less effective than other available prescription drugs. Remember when Claritin was available only by prescription, then it went OTC? It takes a long time for even the safest drugs to be OTC. Seriously think about it why in the hell should all these drugs be only available by prescription? Who is going to abuse Claritin or Flonase? So I guess my point is why are people unable to make decisions for themselves, whether it be to smoke weed and combat some dust mites with Flonase, or drink a beer and help relieve a headache with some advil? Its all pretty ridiculous when you think about the over regulation especially when it comes to our own bodies.

Well. There definitely isn't an increased rate of cancer.

Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer

And smoking weed seems to kill brain cells at the same rate of drinking alcohol.

So.. What about weed is gonna kill you? Hmm.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well. There definitely isn't an increased rate of cancer.

Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer

And smoking weed seems to kill brain cells at the same rate of drinking alcohol.

So.. What about weed is gonna kill you? Hmm.

The munchies maybe?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well. There definitely isn't an increased rate of cancer.

Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer

And smoking weed seems to kill brain cells at the same rate of drinking alcohol.

So.. What about weed is gonna kill you? Hmm.

Dang, thats actually pretty cool. I like how at the end of the article the guy who did the study says "we certainly would not recommend that people smoke marijuana to protect themselves against cancer,". If i was a chronic cigarette smoker id probably smoke weed just to be safe.

But I guess weed can cause heart problems:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20000203051658data_trunc_sys.shtml

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

But I guess weed can cause heart problems:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20000203051658data_trunc_sys.shtml

so can cheeseburgers.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think eventually it will go that way, but it will still take quite some time. There's still significant political opposition to the idea.

I hate marijuana and hate when people smoke it for recreation. It disgusts me. But I've come around to the idea of legalizing. Scientific studies have shown the negative effects aren't worse than tobacco products. And those are legal.

I used to really buy into the gateway drug argument too. But after considering some more, isn't weed just a gateway drug because it's obtained illegally, and a lot of the same guys you buy weed from also have connections to other drugs? Weed wouldn't be a gateway drug if it was available at 7-11.

I used to be against the legalization of it too, but have come around to thinking it that it should be re classified, and then decriminalized by the Fed and then let the states decide if they want it or not set thier own limits ie. medical use only, small amount decriminalized, full blown i can grow it in my garden. Positives: The border issues of violence surrounding the drug trade (smuggling and selling) could be substantially lessened. Cash crop to tax. Less people in jail for bullsh*t. Problems would be the same we have seen with alcohol, I dont envision an "opium den" like effect in communities. I think the legal marijuana experience among the masses will be virtually the same as it is today: you are young, you experiment, and then you graduate from college and realize you got sh*t to take care of so you grow out of it like any partying. Thats what I and many of my peers did, but dont get me wrong if i am at a concert or maybe a party, I will hit the joint if its good sh*t.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I hate marijuana and hate when people smoke it for recreation. It disgusts me.

How does it bother you?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

How does it bother you?

He thinks he's better than you