I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.

[Daseal]

I'm with you. This season is done. Get the young guys some experience, pack it in, get that high pick. We need the QB of the future. Winning only hurts us at this point.

In addition, since they've put the rookie wage scale into effect, a high round pick busting isn't nearly as detrimental to the team as they used to be.

[SBXVII]

I dispise losing, but I'll be honest with you.... last week with Skins/Dallas week ... it just didn't have the same feel. I was pretty much resolved the Skins would lose and most likely lose bad. I watched Davis's fumble and then Dallas score and I left to do the brakes on my truck. I did listen by radio though. After the brakes I took the truck to Jiffy Lube and they had the game on so I was kinda stuck watching it. When I got home I finished watching the game.

I'll be happy if they win and happy if they lose at this point cause I really want the Skins to get a high draft pick, but I definitly don't want them to get blown out. If they keep it close and look like they are actually playing then I'll be interested but if they come out and show the typical 3 and out and a couple INT's I'll be pissed as usual.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I dispise losing, but I'll be honest with you.... last week with Skins/Dallas week ... it just didn't have the same feel. I was pretty much resolved the Skins would lose and most likely lose bad. I watched Davis's fumble and then Dallas score and I left to do the brakes on my truck. I did listen by radio though. After the brakes I took the truck to Jiffy Lube and they had the game on so I was kinda stuck watching it. When I got home I finished watching the game.

I'll be happy if they win and happy if they lose at this point cause I really want the Skins to get a high draft pick, but I definitly don't want them to get blown out. If they keep it close and look like they are actually playing then I'll be interested but if they come out and show the typical 3 and out and a couple INT's I'll be pissed as usual.

Bingo. I hate to see the team lose and get completely dominated by the other team. Hopefully that won't be the case next week, as I don't think Seattle is that great.

[CRedskinsRule]

wrong thread for this but I don't understand why RGIII won't come out? I hear that a lot, but seems like his stock is high, he is not an underclassman - i think- so what would keep him there?

[NC_Skins]

The QBs that have been selected since '98 draft in the top 10. I left off the past two years because it's too soon to say they are good or bad. I went back to '98 since that basically covers the possible career span of a franchise QB. Out of this list, I would pick 5 guys that are elite QBs that I would want leading my team. (6 if you count Palmer before his injury) That's a 25% rate on picking QBs in the top 10.



1998-
1st Peyton Manning
2nd Ryan Leaf

1999-
1st Tim Couch
2nd Donovan McNabb
3rd Akili Smith

2001 -
1st Vick

2002-

1st David Carr
3rd Joey Harrington

2003-

1st Carson Palmer
7th Byron Leftwich

2004-
1st Eli Manning
4th Phillip Rivers

2005-
1st Alex Smith

2006
3rd Vince Young
10th Matt Leinart

2007-
1st JaMarcus Russell

2008-
3rd Matt Ryan

2009-
1st Matthew Stafford
5th Mark Sanchez

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The QBs that have been selected since '98 draft in the top 10. I left off the past two years because it's too soon to say they are good or bad. I went back to '98 since that basically covers the possible career span of a franchise QB. Out of this list, I would pick 5 guys that are elite QBs that I would want leading my team. (6 if you count Palmer before his injury) That's a 25% rate on picking QBs in the top 10.



1998-
1st Peyton Manning
2nd Ryan Leaf

1999-
1st Tim Couch
2nd Donovan McNabb
3rd Akili Smith

2001 -
1st Vick

2002-

1st David Carr
3rd Joey Harrington

2003-

1st Carson Palmer
7th Byron Leftwich

2004-
1st Eli Manning
4th Phillip Rivers

2005-
1st Alex Smith

2006
3rd Vince Young
10th Matt Leinart

2007-
1st JaMarcus Russell

2008-
3rd Matt Ryan

2009-
1st Matthew Stafford
5th Mark Sanchez

You're mixing the facts with your opinions. The fact is that nine of those players are currently the 1st string QB for their teams. Plus several of them are currently backups and one of the backups, Donovan McNabb, had an outstanding career as a starter. So, that's ten QB's who became NFL starters, which is a success rate of greater than 50%.

[Bucket]

Try to win every game. If you end up going 7-9 or 6-10. Then you make the moves to get the pick when the time comes.. Never try to lose to get a better pick. Itll come back to bite you in the arse

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Try to win every game. If you end up going 7-9 or 6-10. Then you make the moves to get the pick when the time comes.. Never try to lose to get a better pick. Itll come back to bite you in the arse

Nope. At this point just lose out. Most of the starters are out anyway so it won't hurt anything. Plus I'd rather they be able to draft where they land vs. having to give up 2 or 3 picks to move up to get a QB.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Try to win every game. If you end up going 7-9 or 6-10. Then you make the moves to get the pick when the time comes.. Never try to lose to get a better pick. Itll come back to bite you in the arse

It was not my intention to imply that the Skins coaches and players should try to lose. I don't think they should and I know that they won't.

What I posted was solely about how strongly I feel that we need, above all else, to get our Franchise QB in place in order to become contenders in the near future.

[SBXVII]

Isn't there like a 100% chance that any QB picked will have a 50% chance of failure?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Isn't there like a 100% chance that any QB picked will have a 50% chance of failure?

No. where are you getting those numbers from? link please or it does not exist.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Isn't there like a 100% chance that any QB picked will have a 50% chance of failure?

Seems a tad off, considering so many developmental QBs taken in the late rounds don't amount to anything. Maybe it applies to 1st round QBs taken recently though.

[Daseal]

I don't think that the coaches or players should try to lose. But I want an emphasis on the young players getting experience. Fight hard, stay competitive. As a fan, I want a higher pick -- as a player or coach I would never ask them to not try their hardest.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't think that the coaches or players should try to lose. But I want an emphasis on the young players getting experience. Fight hard, stay competitive. As a fan, I want a higher pick -- as a player or coach I would never ask them to not try their hardest.

Pretty much my feelings on the matter. Besides, most, if not all, players won't buy into tanking because of pride or losing their job.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

if i were a QB who thought i had a good chance to be the #1 overall draft pick in any year but the year in which luck enters the draft, i'd stay in college an extra year too. even with the rookie scale we have now, the #1 overall pick still gets a nice premium.