Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)

NC_Skins · 12-11-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If you can sit there and say you'd rather have the 15th overall pick instead of the 5th you'd get laughed at

I want you to go back and see how many top 10 picks the Steelers and Packers have had, and then compare that with how many top 10 picks we or any other bottom feeder team has had in the past decade.

The only stat there is when it comes to 1st rounders is that they have a longer life span in the NFL. Now stop and think about that. How many times have we seen first rounders hang around all because they were a first rounder? Had Jason Campbell been a 7th round pick, do you think he would have been given 5 years? Alex Smith? Joey Harrington? Then look at the "project' type QBs/players and see how long they get. Not even a fraction of that type of time.

There are no stats(or none that I have seen) that say there is a higher chance of a "game changer" in the top 5 of the draft as compared to the back half.

NC_Skins · 12-11-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

I guess every year, teams selecting in the top five trade way down in the draft to get better players...

...and most of those same teams are in drafting in the same place year after year. /gasp

skinsfaninok · 12-11-2011, 09:27 PM

Not all of those teams draft in the top 5 ev year lmao only Cleveland and they just suck and have forever

skinsfaninok · 12-11-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

I guess every year, teams selecting in the top five trade way down in the draft to get better players...

Yep apparently

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-11-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Lmao are u serious? It's been proven with many drafts, I'm
Not saying all the players in the top 10 are always better but yes top 10 talent usually ends up better than later 1st round picks

Like Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith?

skinsfaninok · 12-11-2011, 09:40 PM

Lol quake we can do that all day

Manning compared to JC is the same thing

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-11-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Lol quake we can do that all day

Manning compared to JC is the same thing

I got nothing but time

And how???

Hog1 · 12-11-2011, 09:57 PM

Speaking for myself, I would prefer to win every week....always....every time....always, and let the draft order be damned. As has been mentioned GB, NO, NE, PIT....etc have done ok with it?

skinsfaninok · 12-11-2011, 10:05 PM

Because manning was the 1st pick and is a HOF JC was a late 1st and sucks. It's not a given I never said that all I said was give me a top 5 pick all day because of the other rounds as well. If we had a good QB right now or a rookie I'd root to win these games and not care about a pick but we NEED a QB now and our chances at MB or RG3 will be by having a top 5 pick

skinsfan69 · 12-11-2011, 10:16 PM

The only smack I have is for the refs. When is this crap going to stop? Just horrible calls on both sides. I was hoping that Fletcher was going to slap that ref across his face cause he deserved it. And the call on Carter was seriously the worst one I've ever seen. Some of those refs should've been fired after the game.

FRPLG · 12-11-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The only smack I have is for the refs. When is this crap going to stop? Just horrible calls on both sides. I was hoping that Fletcher was going to slap that ref across his face cause he deserved it. And the call on Carter was seriously the worst one I've ever seen. Some of those refs should've been fired after the game.

The league is making the rules almost impossible to consistently enforce. None of it makes total sense and none of the crews call stuff the same. At some point they're going to have to face the fact that legislating injuries out of a contact sport isn't practical.

Ruhskins · 12-11-2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

The league is making the rules almost impossible to consistently enforce. None of it makes total sense and none of the crews call stuff the same. At some point they're going to have to face the fact that legislating injuries out of a contact sport isn't practical.

Unfortunately, morons like James Harrison and Suh continue to commit these penalties, causing the league to continue with this policy. I do feel that penalties that occur at fast speeds, should be reviewed. Like that PF on Fletcher, there's no way that you can look at it at full speed and determine exactly what happened.

The Goat · 12-12-2011, 12:43 AM

I don't wanna dis Orakpo, but don't know what else to say about it. Guess I could just say how worried I am. This kid who looked like he could/would be a Ware type game-changer was almost absent, especially in the 2nd half. My hope: he's just tired of the tired and lackluster leadership from the sidelines. There is nothing inspiring about Jim Haslett's scheme or his style. Neither do I believe he truly has the respect of the players. Williams' defense played more inspired even when the offense was nearly as bad as this year's. And the Shanahans...ok, I won't go there today.

Yeah D. Hall. Let him walk w/ Landry (and Haslett and the Shanahans).

Ruhskins · 12-12-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't wanna dis Orakpo, but don't know what else to say about it. Guess I could just say how worried I am. This kid who looked like he could/would be a Ware type game-changer was almost absent, especially in the 2nd half. My hope: he's just tired of the tired and lackluster leadership from the sidelines. There is nothing inspiring about Jim Haslett's scheme or his style. Neither do I believe he truly has the respect of the players. Williams' defense played more inspired even when the offense was nearly as bad as this year's. And the Shanahans...ok, I won't go there today.

Yeah D. Hall. Let him walk w/ Landry (and Haslett and the Shanahans).

Haslett has been given a lot of resources and he needs to figure out how to make this defense works period. The FO has spent a lot on the defense and now it is time for them to spend resources on the offense. Keep everyone, don't create any holes, and make it work.

REDSKINS4ever · 12-12-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Haslett has been given a lot of resources and he needs to figure out how to make this defense works period. The FO has spent a lot on the defense and now it is time for them to spend resources on the offense. Keep everyone, don't create any holes, and make it work.

The defense all around is fine. One of the weaknesses I've seen all season is the corners D. Hall and J. Wilson can't defend the pass. They allow receivers to get open. I like the Redskins defensive line and the linebackers, which are a hardcore group with Perry Riley, London Fletcher, Ryan Kerrigan, and Brian Orakpo. The secondary is weak though. This is an area of concern and needs to be looked into next offseason.

The offense will come together. Once the Redskins land their QB in the draft, then 60 % of the problems on offense will be fixed. I like our RB situation with Helu, and Evan Royster could contribute to the running game in the future. Have the coaches given up on Ryan Torain? I still think he can contribute. Our WR core is sound with Moss, Gaffney, Hankerson, and Stallworth. Add Fred Davis and Chris Cooley and the Redskins will have a dynamic passing attack.

12-11-2011, 09:27 PM	#48
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,985	Not all of those teams draft in the top 5 ev year lmao only Cleveland and they just suck and have forever __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

12-11-2011, 09:40 PM	#51
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,985	Lol quake we can do that all day Manning compared to JC is the same thing __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

12-11-2011, 09:57 PM	#53
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots) Speaking for myself, I would prefer to win every week....always....every time....always, and let the draft order be damned. As has been mentioned GB, NO, NE, PIT....etc have done ok with it? __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

12-11-2011, 10:05 PM	#54
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,985	Because manning was the 1st pick and is a HOF JC was a late 1st and sucks. It's not a given I never said that all I said was give me a top 5 pick all day because of the other rounds as well. If we had a good QB right now or a rookie I'd root to win these games and not care about a pick but we NEED a QB now and our chances at MB or RG3 will be by having a top 5 pick __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

12-11-2011, 10:16 PM	#55
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,117	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots) The only smack I have is for the refs. When is this crap going to stop? Just horrible calls on both sides. I was hoping that Fletcher was going to slap that ref across his face cause he deserved it. And the call on Carter was seriously the worst one I've ever seen. Some of those refs should've been fired after the game.

12-12-2011, 12:43 AM	#58
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots) I don't wanna dis Orakpo, but don't know what else to say about it. Guess I could just say how worried I am. This kid who looked like he could/would be a Ware type game-changer was almost absent, especially in the 2nd half. My hope: he's just tired of the tired and lackluster leadership from the sidelines. There is nothing inspiring about Jim Haslett's scheme or his style. Neither do I believe he truly has the respect of the players. Williams' defense played more inspired even when the offense was nearly as bad as this year's. And the Shanahans...ok, I won't go there today. Yeah D. Hall. Let him walk w/ Landry (and Haslett and the Shanahans). __________________ 24-34

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