Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[metalskins]

I don't necessarily believe a word Bruce Allen says, but if he happens to be telling the truth that the Redskins have no plans whatsoever in trading Kirk Cousins, then the exclusive tag just reassures us that he's a Redskin for 2017. After that? Who knows?

What I'm hoping for is some sort of deal where the brunt of the money happens toward the tail end of the contract so that we're able to get some defensive guys signed and at least Garcon or Jackson.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

so you want to pay KC more than Aaron Rodgers ?

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

Assuming he plays on the tag this year, we already have paid him 44Million in guaranteed cash. At this point only Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers had more in their current contracts.

At some point it's about getting a deal in place and saying we have this position finished and done. You can't give him less, it just doesn't work that way with the timing of his rookie contract and the franchise tag policy in place.

Ideally he would take a long term pay that recognizes he's already locked in a tremendous amount of cash, but he is treating it like a business and he is crushing it.

[Skinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

so you want to pay KC more than Aaron Rodgers ?

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

Yes. I also want to pay Pierre Garcon more than Jerry Rice.

New Rice Contract Worth $32 Million - latimes

Crazy huh?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

JP Finlay says the real deadline for a long term deal is the day of the draft. Good point, if they cannot get a long term deal they must trade KC. And find another QB to compete with Colt for the job.

If KC plays the season under the tag, he is gone and they get nothing. (except a compensatory pick). A tag in 2018 would be $30+ million

I think I read the 2018 transition tag would be just under 30, but would give us right of first refusal. That is likely what will happen if he doesn't sign long term this year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think the exclusive tag was all about the team trying to keep leverage. Allowing him to talk to teams would likely only drive up the price.

Right, what little leverage they have. Yesterday's news doesn't really change much in my opinion. Slightly reduces chance he gets traded but I still think that's most likely.

As far as a transition tag next year, highly doubtful

[metalskins]

I'm hoping for a long term contract, but I do see the reason for hesitation. At times, I'm sitting there watching Kirk Cousins play and thinking to myself, "This guy is the real deal! Haven't seen this since the glory years!" At other times, I'm sitting there watching Kirk Cousins and thinking, "He's so close, but he just can't seem to ever make that big play that would define him as a championship caliber quarterback."

So, I'm glad we have him for 2017, but I do expect big things with this team this year, or I can totally see letting him go next season.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Right, what little leverage they have. Yesterday's news doesn't really change much in my opinion. Slightly reduces chance he gets traded but I still think that's most likely.

As far as a transition tag next year, highly doubtful

I highly question you on the trading being likely. Just doesn't make sense unless they get swept off their feet by an offer they can't refuse. I don't think any of us believe that's coming.

It's a stare down till July 15, at which point they'll meet somewhere in the middle. Probably closer to Cousins' number than the Redskins number. But they're going to come up on their offers.

The leaks to the media about Cousins wanting to play elsewhere are just too conveniently timed. I never question what you're hearing, I just question the motive for why we're hearing it.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think I read the 2018 transition tag would be just under 30, but would give us right of first refusal. That is likely what will happen if he doesn't sign long term this year.

I believe the rules are different if you tag players for 3 years in a row....not sure of the exact number, but it was over $30 million

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

I believe the rules are different if you tag players for 3 years in a row....not sure of the exact number, but it was over $30 million

That's if you franchise him for a 3rd year in a row - the number would be $34M. CRed is suggesting the Transition Tag, not the franchise tag. It's an entirely different thing.

The number for that would be $28M.

[SFREDSKIN]

Good read:

Kirk Cousins' trade value and the NFL-wide impact of the drama in D.C. - 2017 NFL offseason

A swap of first-rounders makes more sense, with Washington exchanging the 17th pick for the second selection. Chase Stuart's draft value chart measures that swap as worth 13.6 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 27th selection in a typical draft. The 49ers have two fourth-round picks after picking up a compensatory selection for Alex Boone; maybe they send the 109th selection to Washington and get the fifth-round pick Washington grabbed from the Saints (154) in return. Now we're up to 15.8 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 19th pick.

The 49ers could finish out the deal by including Eric Reid, who has been an excellent safety at times while struggling with various injuries. Washington has been a mess at safety over the past several seasons, and Reid -- in the fifth-year option of his rookie deal -- would be a massive upgrade on DeAngelo Hall and Donte Whitner in the defensive backfield. This wouldn't be fair market value for Cousins, but picking up Reid and what amounts to a mid-first round pick for a player who doesn't want to be in town and is likely to leave after the season would make sense.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Right, what little leverage they have. Yesterday's news doesn't really change much in my opinion. Slightly reduces chance he gets traded but I still think that's most likely.

As far as a transition tag next year, highly doubtful

Smoot we all value your input, and I hesitate to ask to much because it must get annoying, but (always ignore everything before the but...) If the holdup really is in the Skins high front office, how much influence or job cred do SM and JG have to use up to get a deal pushed through. Asked another way, do you have any idea how dug in are DSBA against a long term deal?

Thanks as always for your insight.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Right, what little leverage they have. Yesterday's news doesn't really change much in my opinion. Slightly reduces chance he gets traded but I still think that's most likely.

As far as a transition tag next year, highly doubtful

I think the tag really wasn't news...

But was that a purposeful leak late yesterday? "Redskins would have to be blown away with a trade offer to move Cousins"

Was that speculation or a leak...if you know. That will tell me/us a lot.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Good read:

Kirk Cousins' trade value and the NFL-wide impact of the drama in D.C. - 2017 NFL offseason

A swap of first-rounders makes more sense, with Washington exchanging the 17th pick for the second selection. Chase Stuart's draft value chart measures that swap as worth 13.6 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 27th selection in a typical draft. The 49ers have two fourth-round picks after picking up a compensatory selection for Alex Boone; maybe they send the 109th selection to Washington and get the fifth-round pick Washington grabbed from the Saints (154) in return. Now we're up to 15.8 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 19th pick.

The 49ers could finish out the deal by including Eric Reid, who has been an excellent safety at times while struggling with various injuries. Washington has been a mess at safety over the past several seasons, and Reid -- in the fifth-year option of his rookie deal -- would be a massive upgrade on DeAngelo Hall and Donte Whitner in the defensive backfield. This wouldn't be fair market value for Cousins, but picking up Reid and what amounts to a mid-first round pick for a player who doesn't want to be in town and is likely to leave after the season would make sense.

Meh. Let's just pick out a trade scenario that would give the Redskins the equivalent of a first round pick and call it reasonable. Nevermind that it's not at all grounded in reality. You call it a good read, I call it mental masturbation.

Every action taken by the team so far suggests they intend to negotiate with Cousins to reach a long term deal. They hit him with the exclusive tag so nobody can talk with him. It also makes sure nobody can sign him to an offer sheet, meaning the Redskins wouldn't even be happy with two first round picks in return.

And who the hell is going to do all this work to offer the Redskins trade compensation without first being able to speak with Cousins about terms on a long term deal? John Lynch is not going to do that. He's already busy making other plans at QB.

Until you see the team actually grant permission to Cousins to talk with other teams, he's a Redskin. They clearly intend to take it down to the wire and get him for the best deal they can in July.

Don't be swayed by media rumors and dumbass conjecture like the crap linked in this piece. Rap Sheet said it: the Skins are not trading Cousins. War game this thing yourself, you can see where it's inevitably headed. It's a high stakes wrestling match to keep the $ figures reasonable.

I can't understand why more people can't see it.

[Schneed10]

Actions speak louder than words. Leaks to the media should not be trusted when they just so happen to come out at critical inflection points.

[Schneed10]

I am going to take so much joy on July 15 in making fun of all the sheep who bit on Daniel Jeremiah's bullshit.