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Old 12-14-2017, 09:08 PM   #16
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We can’t lose to Blaine Gabbert
I have to second that from Chico! If we play like we did on Thanksgiving we will smoke them, if we play like we have the past two games it is a toss up. Kirk does need to end the season with some solid games. I know you think I jumped the gun saying he won't get what he wants based on his past two sinker, but if he adds 2 more, it just might affect his asking price a bit since the draft is QB rich. Most of the teams in the league are in the same situation as us. They do need a good QB, but have a subpar roster. If the league does really increase the cap like I have read, there will be no problem signing Kirk if the FO really wants him or he wants us. We could sign him and get some decent players back. He just needs the tools to be effective. He is working with jack s#$@ now. And that is my whole point about being wary of signing him. If they really jack up the cap, no problem, if they don't then do you sign him knowing we still might have a subpar roster for him to work with?
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:20 PM   #17
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Wait! Backup OL???? That means RK will have 2 or 3 sacks in another meaningless late season game.
He is a very good player who you don't appreciate for some reason. I do.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:21 AM   #18
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My buddy is a Broncos fan, after they won, I text him Go Donkeys!

His response verbatim "Fucking up the draft."

That's how I feel, winning now is harmful.
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:24 AM   #19
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My buddy is a Broncos fan, after they won, I text him Go Donkeys!

His response verbatim "Fucking up the draft."

That's how I feel, winning now is harmful.
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Old 12-15-2017, 07:41 AM   #20
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He is a very good player who you don't appreciate for some reason. I do.
He is indeed a very good player but he's not that effective against the run and he's a one trick poney pass rusher.
I just feel like with his physical abilities he could be a real playmaker but seems to be satisfied with being a very good player... yes he's good but we could legitimately expect better out of him.

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Old 12-15-2017, 08:36 AM   #21
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He is a very good player who you don't appreciate for some reason. I do.
I don't hate RK, he is a good player but the Shawn Michaels celebration needs to go away after every sack, and he is only good against bad Lines. That isn't saying I dont appreciate him, it's saying he really isn't effective 50% of the time. He is also bad against the run.
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Old 12-15-2017, 09:07 AM   #22
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Re: Red birds pre game

Some stats/info from Cooley and Kevin ...

Cards are 0-4 when losing turn over battle
Cards are 4-0 when scoring 20 pts or more
Cards are with out both Tackles and a Guard
Cards are on their 3rd string QB (Palmer, Stanton now Gabbert) and RB (Johnson, Peterson now ???)

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Put me in the "I hope we lose" camp ... im conflicted but I think Jay is decent so I feel like I have to choose a better draft position or Jay.

Putting us in best position to draft the best possible Cousins replacement is most important to me.
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Old 12-15-2017, 09:12 AM   #23
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Some stats/info from Cooley and Kevin ...

Cards are 0-4 when losing turn over battle
Cards are 4-0 when scoring 20 pts or more
Cards are with out both Tackles and a Guard
Cards are on their 3rd string QB (Palmer, Stanton now Gabbert) and RB (Johnson, Peterson now ???)

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Put me in the "I hope we lose" camp ... im conflicted but I think Jay is decent so I feel like I have to choose a better draft position or Jay.

Putting us in best position to draft the best possible Cousins replacement is most important to me.

And I bet we still lose somehow, I'm telling you it's the life of a skins fan
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Old 12-15-2017, 10:07 AM   #24
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I don't hate RK, he is a good player but the Shawn Michaels celebration needs to go away after every sack, and he is only good against bad Lines. That isn't saying I dont appreciate him, it's saying he really isn't effective 50% of the time. He is also bad against the run.
He gets held on every play and it gets called about 20% of the time.
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Old 12-15-2017, 10:08 AM   #25
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He gets held on every play and it gets called about 20% of the time.
It's because he doesn't sell it like others do, and it's not the same ref crew so maybe it's really not a hold? They aren't calling it for a reason.
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It's because he doesn't sell it like others do, and it's not the same ref crew so maybe it's really not a hold? They aren't calling it for a reason.
I dunno. I mean the guy gets put in a half-nelson on almost every play. I've seen guys have him hooked around his shoulder, in front of the refs, and no flags. On the other side, one of our linemen will crop dust the rusher and out comes the yellow hanky!
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It's because he doesn't sell it like others do, and it's not the same ref crew so maybe it's really not a hold? They aren't calling it for a reason.
Why do you pick out a good player like RK to get all over when he is working hard and being as productive as he is capable of being?

This type of thinking is a pet peeve of mine. It's the recurring question of "Why Can't This Good Player be a Great Player?". It's because he has peaked as a good player, that's why. He has worked very hard but will never be a great player. He is just a good player who is available every single week and I think that's fine.
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:03 PM   #28
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Why do you pick out a good player like RK to get all over when he is working hard and being as productive as he is capable of being?

This type of thinking is a pet peeve of mine. It's the recurring question of "Why Can't This Good Player be a Great Player?". It's because he has peaked as a good player, that's why. He has worked very hard but will never be a great player. He is just a good player who is available every single week and I think that's fine.
Not picking on him, I'm just saying he rarely makes a play when you really need that play. He's a good player and yes he works his butt off. I think Matt brought up one certain time he made a game clinching sack, I can't think of any others. He seems to vanish against good teams.
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Old 12-15-2017, 02:00 PM   #29
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I saw a red bird perched on a tree branch when I was little. I threw a rock at it.

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Kerrigan is a good player, but somewhat limited. Him always being available to dress is incredibly valuable. Worth the 13th or so draft pick he was imo.
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I felt like Gruden made some comments in his presser suggesting that we may be sitting some guys. I think his exact quote was "We will look at it and see who we are playing against Arizona".

Does anyone know if the skins are for sure eliminated from playoff chances even if we go 8-8? If we are, I wonder if Gruden rests Kirk Cousins for the remainder of the year so he doesn't risk a bad injury behind our makeshift O-line. But if he did that i would think that would imply some kind of commitment to Kirk? Is it wishful thinking?
I'm pretty sure we're mathematically eliminated from the PO race.

I think you bring up a really good point: if Jay is confident he'll be here next year, and they're going to be able to sign Kirk, yeah I say sit Kirk, Trent and Moses.
But I'm not sure Jay is in position to do that, he would need a lot of confidence in himself and the support the FO would give him.
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