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Old 12-13-2021, 12:01 AM   #61
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We are actually still the 7 seed. So we do still control our own destiny.
Gibson man. That fumble. My God.
Heineke was just awful. He floated every freaking pass and was hesitant about running. Simply put He was awful.
I agree the D was not bad. Not at all actually well minus William Jackson. That guy is turning out to be a piss poor signing.

I still, for the life of me, do not understand why Ron accepted that penalty down by our goal line when it was 3-0. What is five yards in that situation? Clearly not affecting fg range (i think i used the right word there SD lol). It would have been 3rd and 5. Sure they could have picked up the first, but i want to take away the down there and force them to gain five yards instead of giving them two cracks at a TD. If it was going to be 3rd and 1 or 2 than ok back it up. But 3rd and 5? Im forcing them to either score or gain the 5 and hoping we force the fg. That bothered the shit out of me and of course they scored on their extra third down. Plus went for two. That to me was the turning point.

This team is just always slow out of the gates. Beginning of the season. Beginning of games. It is too much to ask this team to always be playing from behind. For their season , and for the games. That is a real problem imo. Especially when you are a run first team.

A wildcard is still very much there, but man they gotta be ready to go at kickoff. Enough with we will figure it out on the fly bullshit.
Well, to be fair. The extra play was the 2nd and 10 incompletion (outstanding coverage by Holcomb), so accepting the penalty ended up being a smart move: they were in a 3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and 5 !
That's when we held them to an 8 yard gain... but they were bailed out by a phantom offside call on Allen !
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Old 12-13-2021, 12:26 AM   #62
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Well, to be fair. The extra play was the 2nd and 10 incompletion (outstanding coverage by Holcomb), so accepting the penalty ended up being a smart move: they were in a 3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and 5 !
That's when we held them to an 8 yard gain... but they were bailed out by a phantom offside call on Allen !

1st & 10 at WSH 12
(4:43 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Elliott right guard to WAS 7 for 5 yards (Jon.Allen).

(OK BRINGS UP 2nd and 5)

2nd & 5 at WSH 7
(4:07 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to E.Elliott. DAL-Z.Martin was injured during the play. PENALTY on DAL-T.Smith, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 7 - No Play.

(THIS PENALTY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DECLINED TO MAKE IT 3rd, and 5)



2nd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:05 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short right to E.Elliott.

(THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN 3rd and 5).


3rd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:01 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to A.Cooper to WAS 4 for 8 yards (K.Fuller). PENALTY on WAS-Jon.Allen, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 12 - No Play.
(THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A FG ATTEMPT)

3rd & 5 at WSH 7
(3:42 - 1st) Amari Cooper Pass From Dak Prescott for 7 Yrds TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. E.Elliott rushes up the
(THIS PLAY SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED BUT WE GAVE THEM AN EXTRA SHOT)

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1st & 10 at WSH 12
(4:43 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Elliott right guard to WAS 7 for 5 yards (Jon.Allen).

2nd & 5 at WSH 7
(4:07 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to E.Elliott. DAL-Z.Martin was injured during the play. PENALTY on DAL-T.Smith, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 7 - No Play.

2nd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:05 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short right to E.Elliott.


3rd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:01 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to A.Cooper to WAS 4 for 8 yards (K.Fuller). PENALTY on WAS-Jon.Allen, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 12 - No Play.

3rd & 5 at WSH 7
(3:42 - 1st) Amari Cooper Pass From Dak Prescott for 7 Yrds TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. E.Elliott rushes up the


^ the 2nd & 10 should have been 3rd and 5.
the 3rd & 10 should have been a fg attempt.

We gave them an extra shot. Turned out not to be a smart penalty to accept.
No. You're speculating that they would have made the exact same call with the exact same result on 3rd and 5 that they did on 2nd and 10. The call would have been different. Maybe they call a run. Maybe a screen. Maybe another pass. Maybe they convert the 3rd and 5. Maybe they don't. Maybe it's a pick 6 for us. Maybe they run it for a TD and Jon Allen breaks his leg on the play. We will never know.
What we know for sure is that accepting the penalty and defending the pass attempt on 2 and 10 turned a 3rd and 5 into a 3rd and 10. So it ended up being a good call. We actually successfully defended that 3rd and 10 minus the bogus call.

I'm not saying it's a no brainer. Before the fact you can argue both sides of this call. But after the fact it ended up being a good call. Your opponent being in 3rd and 10 is better than 3rd and 5.

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No. You're speculating that they would have made the exact same call with the exact same result on 3rd and 5 that they did on 2nd and 10. The call would have been different. Maybe they call a run. Maybe a screen. Maybe another pass. Maybe they convert the 3rd and 5. Maybe they don't. Maybe it's a pick 6 for us. Maybe they run it for a TD and Jon Allen breaks his leg on the play. We will never know.
What we know for sure is that accepting the penalty and defending the pass attempt on 2 and 10 turned a 3rd and 5 into a 3rd and 10. So it ended up being a good call. We actually successfully defended that 3rd and 10 minus the bogus call.

I'm not saying it's a no brainer. Before the fact you can argue both sides of this call. But after the fact it ended up being a good call. Your opponent being in 3rd and 10 is better than 3rd and 5.

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Totally speculating about what they would have done on 3rd and 5, I said that in the game day thread. I just think down there you take away the down. Five yards doesnt take em outta fg range. They would have had one shot from 3rd and 5. Instead of a 2nd and 10 and 3rd and 10.

It is all hindsight but You take the down away imo and try and force the fg.
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Totally speculating about what they would have done on 3rd and 5, I said that in the game day thread. I just think down there you take away the down. Five yards doesnt take em outta fg range. They would have had one shot from 3rd and 5. Instead of a 2nd and 10 and 3rd and 10.

It is all hindsight but You take the down away imo and try and force the fg.
Oh I'm with you on that ! In the moment I was like "what? 3rd and 5 is better than 2nd and 10 tf is Ron thinking" !

Just saying if we're being fair it turned out being a positive in itself because 3rd 10 > 3rd and 5. But not the call I would've made either. Take the 3rd down and trust your D.

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Old 12-13-2021, 12:57 AM   #66
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Oh I'm with you on that ! In the moment I was like "what? 3rd and 5 is better than 2nd and 10 tf is Ron thinking" !

Just saying if we're being fair it turned out being a positive in itself because 3rd 10 > 3rd and 5. But not the call I would've made either. Take the 3rd down and trust your D.

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I get what you are saying 100 percent. I just don’t think the 3rd and 10 should have happened- like you said - take 3rd and 5 and trust your D.

Anyway this was just one of those games where we were going to find a way to lose. We seriously need to not start slow against Philly and their one dimensional offense with Hurts playing.
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I get what you are saying 100 percent. I just don’t think the 3rd and 10 should have happened- like you said - take 3rd and 5 and trust your D.

Anyway this was just one of those games where we were going to find a way to lose. We seriously need to not start slow against Philly and their one dimensional offense with Hurts playing.
Yop.

If we're playing what ifs. I'm still curious to see how this games turns out without the bogus offside and the questionable roughing the passer on the TD play. 6 - 0 instead of 11 - 0. And even with the pick 6, 13 - 0 is not 18 - 0...
Well anyway yes, we need the offense to start playing before the 3rd quarter but still...

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Yop.

If we're playing what ifs. I'm still curious to see how this games turns out without the bogus offside and the questionable roughing the passer on the TD play. 6 - 0 instead of 11 - 0. And even with the pick 6, 13 - 0 is not 18 - 0...
Well anyway yes, we need the offense to start playing before the 3rd quarter but still...

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A whole lotta plays that could have swung this game the other way. It’s maddening lol. Hey we still control our playoff destiny - miles ahead of where we thought we would be now!
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No I didn't say we wouldn't take him - I said it would be stupid to take him.
It would be stupid NOT to take him.
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Heading in to work -the Cowboys fan there is going to be super boisterous. UGH

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Just tell him it is too bad Dak doesn’t play defense too.

Or say “good loss” and give him a thumbs up.
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What a game to lay an egg. It does speak well for this team that in spite of being completely dominated all game they were in position to win at the end. Had Heinicke been in at the end WFT may have pulled it out. That said, WFT has to address the QB situation on the off-season. Whether through the draft or free agency this team needs a QB.
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It would be stupid NOT to take him.

We will not know that until we know exactly where we are drafting and who is available if he is there. Again if there is some stud that plays S or ILB or Corner or LT - and Pickett say has an awful combine you might change your mind. Plus will there be some free agent qb?
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What a game to lay an egg. It does speak well for this team that in spite of being completely dominated all game they were in position to win at the end. Had Heinicke been in at the end WFT may have pulled it out. That said, WFT has to address the QB situation on the off-season. Whether through the draft or free agency this team needs a QB.
If DC catches that dime from Allen I think we would have eventually won the game.
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If DC catches that dime from Allen I think we would have eventually won the game.
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