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01-14-2008, 12:41 PM | #121 | |
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But that doesn't mean that we can't lay blame at his feet for his stint in Washington. The Redskins failed to make the playoffs during Norv's first five seasons as coach. How many head coaches in the NFL in the past 25 years have actually maintained their jobs after failing to reach the playoffs in their first five years as coach? (I think I checked this out once, and one of the most recent examples I could find was Tom Landry with the Cowboys in the early 60's, when the NFL was very different, and the Cowboys were a brand new franchise--there may have been one example more recent than that). Now, some have said, "Yeah, but he didn't have good players." But Norv wasn't a guy capable of raising anybody's game. Recall that it was Sonny J. himself that repeatedly referred to Redskin Park during the Norv years as "Club Med." That was the problem--he simply failed time and again to instill any sense of urgency in the locker room. Some have asked when Danny came aboard. For the record, he bought the team before the '99 season, which was Norv's sixth season. It was in Norv's sixth season that the Redskins finally made the playoffs, and no one has ever doubted that Danny told Norv at the outset of the season what he had to look forward to if he didn't produce, ultimately meaning that it was Danny that finally brought the sense of urgency that Norv simply was incapable of producing. The following season, the Redskins started off 6-2, but then lost three of four games before the game against the Giants at FedEx. During that game (which at the time the Giants needed to win as much as the Redskins--the Giants went into the game 8-4), Pam Oliver was doing the sideline reporting and declared that the benches were completely different--the Giants were pumped, but the Redskins sideline seemed dead. It was that utter lack of life on the sidelines during a home game against a division rival in the 12th game of the season with the playoffs still a very real possibility that was cited as a primary factor behind Danny's decision THAT NIGHT to finally dump Norv. Danny didn't put too much pressure on Norv. Norv simply couldn't pressure on this own team. Some may say, "But they're professionals! They shouldn't need a coach to get them pumped up!" Yeah, there is some truth to that, but all of us learned from the first day of kindergarten, and have learned since, that the designated leader of whatever environment we are in sets the tone, whether it's a classroom, workplace, or locker room, and that the people inside those rooms respond to that tone. All of Norv's players liked him, but he couldn't fire them up. For me, the most telling moment of his stint as Redskins coach was Marvcus Patton screaming at Gus for his third interception of the opening game against the Giants of the '98 season--I always thought Patton had had enough of Frerotte not getting an earful for his mistakes from the HC, and finally decided to take matters into his own hands. I don't hate Norv, but I don't root for him, and, because of how intense my frustration still is over his years in Washington, I'm not happy for him that the Chargers have won. As some have said, he was lucky to get a job that a LOT of other people were more deserving of. |
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01-14-2008, 12:44 PM | #122 |
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Good for Norv for doing what Marty couldn't.
That being said I really don't think Norv is a major factor in what's happening. He was handed the keys to a loaded roster and basically told "don't F this up". He's managed to do that for the most part, but I can't help but think this is another Barry Switzer type of situation. |
01-14-2008, 01:25 PM | #123 | |
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01-14-2008, 01:45 PM | #124 | |
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01-14-2008, 02:03 PM | #126 | |
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But San Diego's defense is as equipped to stop New England as anyone in the league.
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01-14-2008, 02:24 PM | #127 |
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When Norv first became the head coach of the Redskins, his first action was to dismantle the core of the team by releasing its most solid players, the ones that other coaches would have kept to build around. I think Ray brown was one of those players, Mark Schlereth was another. He went to Denver and made all-pro a couple of years. Kurt Gouveia was a solid middle linebacker for us, but Norv cut him and Kurt went to San Diego and continued his solid play for them. I don't remember who released Rich Gannon, but he played briefly for the Redskins, then was cut and made all-pro with the Raiders. That was around Norv's time, but it might have been just before he arrived. Norv chose to go with Heath Shuler and that was a disaster. Norv isn't a good judge of talent, even when he has good players. He set the Redskins back about 5 years when he became head coach here. His salvation in San Diego, as everyone knows, is that he didn't have to build the team. We never should have hired an assistant coach who came from the Cowboys.
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01-14-2008, 02:45 PM | #128 | |
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01-14-2008, 03:27 PM | #129 | |
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01-14-2008, 03:49 PM | #130 |
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Congratulations to Norv Turner for beating the Super Bowl champions and making it to the AFC Championship. Good luck to them against the Patriots. I think Norv is a mediocre coach with an exceptionally talented team. Marty should get a lot of credit for building that powerhouse. He was shafted by the Chargers organization and the Redskin orgainization It's unfair to call Marty a choke artist. He has always gotten the most out of his teams, he has just failed to take that last step. You can call him conservative or whatever, but he is a good coach and deserves a lot of respect.
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01-21-2008, 01:27 PM | #132 |
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I guess we're stuck with the Giants and Pats in the Super Bowl...Duh. Is it worth watching? The Redskins could have been there...
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01-21-2008, 02:04 PM | #133 |
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Boo Norv.
I don't want him anywhere near a winning season.
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01-21-2008, 08:35 PM | #134 |
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See It Was Not Norv It Was Dan Being Dan
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