If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.

NYCskinfan82 · 05-31-2011, 07:30 PM

This has been talked about on ESPN that he might have to bail out of Ohio. I'd offer a 4th round pick, he would be a nice 3yr project IMO. Could we put up a Yes, NO, Maybe Vote. Higher ups please help me out.

Dirtbag59 · 05-31-2011, 07:34 PM

I'm going to sound like I'm being cool but yes, I would place a late round bid for him. He has all the physical tools (Size, mobility, arm strength). He also put up great numbers in a pro style offense (27 TD's, 11 Int's 65%) which to me carry more weight then the type of season Newton had in a Spread offense. On top of that there won't be a fuss if he doesn't win the starting job right away, like there would be with any free agent we might bring in (Bulger, Young, Smith, etc).

The reason for the late round bid is due to the fact that while I like him, he wouldn't necessarily be my first choice for next year as he only has one full year of being accurate, and he does have character issues. Also part of me thinks he has a slow release but I might have to go back and check on that, usually strong armed QB's have slow releases and my memory of Pryor says he's one of those types of QB's.

wilsowilso · 05-31-2011, 07:53 PM

I assume that he will garner a third round bid.

Not a terrible price to take a gamble because of his position.

If you're Vinny Cerrato.

A player that lives like the rules don't apply to him and to top it off he is inconsistent on the field.

Buyer beware.

That being said he really does have tools and talent.

Dirtbag59 · 05-31-2011, 07:59 PM

First time I heard of him it was 3 or 4 years ago with Wilbon rightfully pointing out that his "where I'm going to college" press conference was ridiculous. Since then I've been skeptical of him from a character standpoint, and up until recently from a production standpoint. Tatoo's in many cases are stupid and even dumber due to the fact that it virtually ruined a national title team, however if thats all the punishment outweighs the crime.

Anyway no doubting the fact that the man has talent. It's just that with these supplemental drafts theres usually only one player. Jarmon was good but how would he have really faired in a draft where he was compared to 15-20 other defensvie ends in an April draft? In summoning my inner Collin Cowherd it's like one decent/average looking girl in a room with 32 guys or vice versa. Thats what the supplemental draft is to me.

You never know how you really feel about the player because that player is usually the only available option at that point in time.

BuckSkin · 05-31-2011, 08:16 PM

I defended Pryor when the "Tattoo Five" story first broke. Saying "what's wrong with selling your own property?". Now I know.... It cost a great coach his job, integrity and legacy. I don't lay all of this at Pryors feet, there's plenty of blame to go around. That being said...Dirt pointed out his attributes better than I can. A huge piece of humble pie could have brought him back to Earth. Shanahan has already tried and failed on a Buckeye castoff, I doubt he rolls the dice again.

skinsfaninok · 05-31-2011, 08:23 PM

Nope

NC_Skins · 05-31-2011, 08:31 PM

So you'd give up a probable starter (4th: Roy Helu (RB) Nebraska) for a QB who'll never be a successful QB in the NFL? Vinny? Is that you?

When will you people get it out of your heads. The following QBs do not translate well to the NFL.

Tyrelle Pryor
Pat White
Antwaan Randle El
Marcus Vick
Tyrod Taylor
Eric Crouch
Armanti Edwards
Cam Newton
Scott Frost

Two that are still debatable...Vince Young and Mike Vick too. Beyond this past year, Vick hasn't done diddly squat as a QB. I'll need to see some consecutive years of serious production at the QB stats (not running) to change my mind.

Sure these guys were awesome QBs and played well at their level, but this isn't college.

BuckSkin · 05-31-2011, 08:33 PM

Duplicate post

Dirtbag59 · 05-31-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So you'd give up a probable starter (4th: Roy Helu (RB) Nebraska) for a QB who'll never be a successful QB in the NFL? Vinny? Is that you?

When will you people get it out of your heads. The following QBs do not translate well to the NFL.

Tyrelle Pryor
Pat White
Antwaan Randle El
Marcus Vick
Tyrod Taylor
Eric Crouch
Armanti Edwards
Cam Newton
Scott Frost

Two that are still debatable...Vince Young and Mike Vick too. Beyond this past year, Vick hasn't done diddly squat as a QB. I'll need to see some consecutive years of serious production at the QB stats (not running) to change my mind.

Sure these guys were awesome QBs and played well at their level, but this isn't college.

Yes but unlike a lot of the QB's you listed Pryor has been successful in a pro style offense. Also Cam Newton and Tyrod Taylor haven't even taken a snap in the NFL.

NYCskinfan82 · 05-31-2011, 08:38 PM

Higher ups thankyou.

NYCskinfan82 · 05-31-2011, 08:41 PM

We have two 4th round picks next year so I would take a chance on him, we have the right FO to help us get more picks IMO.

Chico23231 · 05-31-2011, 08:42 PM

4th round would be a steal. His character is as questionable as Cam or Mallet, but I think his play would be ideal for Shanny. If the Skins feel like he would be a good fit, id support a 3rd round pick and get him in learning the system. It would be a much better option than picking up the undrafted garbage QBs left.

Dirtbag59 · 05-31-2011, 08:46 PM

I'm going 5th or 6th, in part because if I remember correctly our 5th or 6th carries more weight then most teams (yeah us). He's more of a nice to have in my book, rather then "this is the guy we need to get." If that was the case I would ask the team to use a 2nd or 3rd, which I don't mind saying since Vinny is now gone and now dumb ideas posted on message boards are no longer used in the teams front office.

NC_Skins · 05-31-2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Yes but unlike a lot of the QB's you listed Pryor has been successful in a pro style offense.

Oh, you mean like this guy?

Troy Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think we've seen how that all works out. I'd dare say they were pretty much identical players.

Uncle Skins · 05-31-2011, 08:54 PM

I would pass on Pryor. Also I think it is proper to have all of our selections available when entering next year's draft.

We made a lot of excellent selections this year and I think we can add to this year's value by having a full complement of picks next year.

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05-31-2011, 07:30 PM	#1
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 54 Posts: 3,803	If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. This has been talked about on ESPN that he might have to bail out of Ohio. I'd offer a 4th round pick, he would be a nice 3yr project IMO. Could we put up a Yes, NO, Maybe Vote. Higher ups please help me out.

05-31-2011, 07:34 PM	#2
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 14,750	re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. I'm going to sound like I'm being cool but yes, I would place a late round bid for him. He has all the physical tools (Size, mobility, arm strength). He also put up great numbers in a pro style offense (27 TD's, 11 Int's 65%) which to me carry more weight then the type of season Newton had in a Spread offense. On top of that there won't be a fuss if he doesn't win the starting job right away, like there would be with any free agent we might bring in (Bulger, Young, Smith, etc). The reason for the late round bid is due to the fact that while I like him, he wouldn't necessarily be my first choice for next year as he only has one full year of being accurate, and he does have character issues. Also part of me thinks he has a slow release but I might have to go back and check on that, usually strong armed QB's have slow releases and my memory of Pryor says he's one of those types of QB's. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG Last edited by Dirtbag59; 05-31-2011 at 08:05 PM.

05-31-2011, 07:53 PM	#3
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 50 Posts: 2,841	re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. I assume that he will garner a third round bid. Not a terrible price to take a gamble because of his position. If you're Vinny Cerrato. A player that lives like the rules don't apply to him and to top it off he is inconsistent on the field. Buyer beware. That being said he really does have tools and talent. Last edited by wilsowilso; 05-31-2011 at 09:43 PM.

05-31-2011, 07:59 PM	#4
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 14,750	re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. First time I heard of him it was 3 or 4 years ago with Wilbon rightfully pointing out that his "where I'm going to college" press conference was ridiculous. Since then I've been skeptical of him from a character standpoint, and up until recently from a production standpoint. Tatoo's in many cases are stupid and even dumber due to the fact that it virtually ruined a national title team, however if thats all the punishment outweighs the crime. Anyway no doubting the fact that the man has talent. It's just that with these supplemental drafts theres usually only one player. Jarmon was good but how would he have really faired in a draft where he was compared to 15-20 other defensvie ends in an April draft? In summoning my inner Collin Cowherd it's like one decent/average looking girl in a room with 32 guys or vice versa. Thats what the supplemental draft is to me. You never know how you really feel about the player because that player is usually the only available option at that point in time. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

05-31-2011, 08:16 PM	#5
BuckSkin Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eastern Ohio Age: 55 Posts: 232	re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. I defended Pryor when the "Tattoo Five" story first broke. Saying "what's wrong with selling your own property?". Now I know.... It cost a great coach his job, integrity and legacy. I don't lay all of this at Pryors feet, there's plenty of blame to go around. That being said...Dirt pointed out his attributes better than I can. A huge piece of humble pie could have brought him back to Earth. Shanahan has already tried and failed on a Buckeye castoff, I doubt he rolls the dice again. __________________ "Any Nation willing to give up a little freedom, to gain a little security, will deserve neither, and lose both." -Benjamin Franklin

05-31-2011, 08:23 PM	#6
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,990	re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. Nope __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

05-31-2011, 08:31 PM	#7
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,258	re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. So you'd give up a probable starter (4th: Roy Helu (RB) Nebraska) for a QB who'll never be a successful QB in the NFL? Vinny? Is that you? When will you people get it out of your heads. The following QBs do not translate well to the NFL. Tyrelle Pryor Pat White Antwaan Randle El Marcus Vick Tyrod Taylor Eric Crouch Armanti Edwards Cam Newton Scott Frost Two that are still debatable...Vince Young and Mike Vick too. Beyond this past year, Vick hasn't done diddly squat as a QB. I'll need to see some consecutive years of serious production at the QB stats (not running) to change my mind. Sure these guys were awesome QBs and played well at their level, but this isn't college.

05-31-2011, 08:33 PM	#8
BuckSkin Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eastern Ohio Age: 55 Posts: 232	re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. Duplicate post __________________ "Any Nation willing to give up a little freedom, to gain a little security, will deserve neither, and lose both." -Benjamin Franklin

05-31-2011, 08:38 PM	#10
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 54 Posts: 3,803	Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. Higher ups thankyou.

05-31-2011, 08:41 PM	#11
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 54 Posts: 3,803	Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. We have two 4th round picks next year so I would take a chance on him, we have the right FO to help us get more picks IMO.

05-31-2011, 08:42 PM	#12
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 33,914	Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. 4th round would be a steal. His character is as questionable as Cam or Mallet, but I think his play would be ideal for Shanny. If the Skins feel like he would be a good fit, id support a 3rd round pick and get him in learning the system. It would be a much better option than picking up the undrafted garbage QBs left. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

05-31-2011, 08:46 PM	#13
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 14,750	Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. I'm going 5th or 6th, in part because if I remember correctly our 5th or 6th carries more weight then most teams (yeah us). He's more of a nice to have in my book, rather then "this is the guy we need to get." If that was the case I would ask the team to use a 2nd or 3rd, which I don't mind saying since Vinny is now gone and now dumb ideas posted on message boards are no longer used in the teams front office. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

05-31-2011, 08:54 PM	#15
Uncle Skins Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2011 Location: Redskins Nation Age: 86 Posts: 41	Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him. I would pass on Pryor. Also I think it is proper to have all of our selections available when entering next year's draft. We made a lot of excellent selections this year and I think we can add to this year's value by having a full complement of picks next year. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/UncleSkins Sincerely, Uncle Skins

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