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Old 12-21-2019, 06:28 AM   #46
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You're always so dismissive of this discussion.

Is the roster better suited for a 3-4?
Yeah I don't think it's that ridiculous to think switching to a 4-3 would indeed make quite a difference. Sheehan and Cooley have both been advocating for it for quite some time.
Now, the priority absolutely is for the guys to be well coached. But I don't think this discussion is irrelevant at all.

Plus, I've often read here, as an argument for "it wouldn't change much", that we already play a lot of snaps in a 4-3... which is false: we rarely do. We do run a lot of snaps in Nickel 4-2-5 but very rarely in a 4-3. You have to think it does make quite a difference against the run.
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Old 12-21-2019, 10:44 AM   #47
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You're always so dismissive of this discussion.



Is the roster better suited for a 3-4?


I just think itís funny since people were clamoring for the 3-4 for years.

And I think itís more important whoís coaching the D vs the base alignment we run about 30% of the time.


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Old 12-21-2019, 10:56 AM   #48
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I just think itís funny since people were clamoring for the 3-4 for years.

And I think itís more important whoís coaching the D vs the base alignment we run about 30% of the time.


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Thats 100 % on point. But I don't think anybody here would take Manusky in a 4-3 vs virtually anybody else in a 3-4.
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:32 AM   #49
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You're always so dismissive of this discussion.

Is the roster better suited for a 3-4?
We've had a base 3-4 for 10 years now and not once has our D ranked in the top ten for anything.

Everybody knows you don't stay in the 3-4 alignment except a small percentage of the time.

I agree, if our personnel is better suited for a base 4-3 we need to switch.
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Old 12-21-2019, 01:44 PM   #50
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I just think itís funny since people were clamoring for the 3-4 for years.

And I think itís more important whoís coaching the D vs the base alignment we run about 30% of the time.


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I believe a 4-3 is better over the long run not because of any schematic advantage. Baltimore has had a very good defense for over a decade in the 3-4.

I believe it's better because the available personnel coming out of the draft fit the requirements of a 4-3 better.

We haven't had that unicorn who is a long, twitchy, natural olb the whole time we have been a 3-4.

We haven't had that 375lb immovable object to gum up the middle. Pot Roast was so out of shape he couldn't be effective two plays in a row.

We haven't had the incredibly fast ilb who are heat seeking missiles a 3-4 requires. Our two fastest ilbs have been Keenan Robinson and Cole Holcolm. Arguably, if someone (Fletcher) has great instincts and knowledge, it can make up for speed.

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Old 12-21-2019, 01:49 PM   #51
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Allen, Payne, Mat I should be single gapping and whipping the dude in front of them every play.

Kerrigan, Sweat should never drop. They should be reading screens and boots on the way to sacking the QB because they are DEs, not olb.

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Old 12-21-2019, 02:26 PM   #52
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I'm ready for a real d coordinator, not this bullshit weíve been on...and I canít argue with Jelly. I agree.

I like to see Anderson-Foster-Holcomb over Sweat-Allen-Payne-Matt I

SDH and Foster when we go nickel
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Old 12-21-2019, 02:42 PM   #53
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I'm ready for a real d coordinator, not this bullshit weíve been on...and I canít argue with Jelly. I agree.

I like to see Anderson-Foster-Holcomb over Sweat-Allen-Payne-Matt I

SDH and Foster when we go nickel
Don't you sign Bostic back ? He's having a tremendous season IMO. And we don't know what Anderson would give us as a 4-3 OLB...
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Old 12-21-2019, 03:00 PM   #54
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Don't you sign Bostic back ? He's having a tremendous season IMO. And we don't know what Anderson would give us as a 4-3 OLB...
I think Bostic been ok. Cole been awesome against the run but he is terrible getting to the QB and worse if asked to cover. I rather go with young movement.

I think Anderson been good and 4-3 olb seems like a more natural fit. Rueben Foster was built to mlb in a 4-3..hope that injury is better and is ready to go
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I think Bostic been ok. Cole been awesome against the run but he is terrible getting to the QB and worse if asked to cover. I rather go with young movement.



I think Anderson been good and 4-3 olb seems like a more natural fit. Rueben Foster was built to mlb in a 4-3..hope that injury is better and is ready to go
I like the idea of youth movement but Bostic is 28, don't think he'd ask crazy money, and I think he's been real solid both against the run and in coverage.
The fact that Holcomb is a rookie and Foster being healthy and Anderson making the transition successfully are both ifs makes me want to keep the one sure thing we have at ILB.

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Old 12-21-2019, 08:24 PM   #56
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I just think itís funny since people were clamoring for the 3-4 for years.

And I think itís more important whoís coaching the D vs the base alignment we run about 30% of the time.


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30%...

Just heard on Sheehan's pod ( 12-20-19 @ 1 hour and 6 min) from Friday that Sweat dropped into coverage 12 times against the eagles.

Just put into text for posterity you're ok with that.

That the 3-4 isn't a big deal...

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Old 12-22-2019, 11:54 AM   #57
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I can't wait to draft Young and see him cover tight ends.
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Old 12-22-2019, 12:32 PM   #58
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I can't wait to draft Young and see him cover tight ends.
Have to lose today to make that a reality and hope he doesnít go back to school when he hears Bruce Allen is still around.
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Old 12-23-2019, 12:52 PM   #59
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Have to lose today to make that a reality and hope he doesnít go back to school when he hears Bruce Allen is still around.


That is why BA will be fired. Chase may go back to school with Bruce around, and we wonít be able to get an NFL premium HC or DC either. Alex Smith will fill into Bruceís shoes, as Snyderís buddy and advisor. Snyder wonít be able to get the big ďSPLASHESĒ in the off-season that he craves, either with Chase or the HC, with Bruce Allen as part of the organization.

Hopefully, Iím right about BA -but you never know what Snyder is going to do, because he is an NFL idiot.


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Old 12-23-2019, 01:20 PM   #60
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We all hope BA is gone, but I hardly think that BA has anything to do with Young's decision whether or not to return to school.
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