Warpath  

Home | Forums | Donate | Shop




Go Back   Warpath > Commanders Football > Locker Room Main Forum


John Beck Era Begins

Locker Room Main Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-19-2011, 10:38 AM   #31
SFREDSKIN
Living Legend
 
SFREDSKIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pacifica, CA
Posts: 15,164
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Good move, I think Beck will have a few bumps on the road, but will be better overall.
__________________
Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs.

Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory.

Darrell Green- Best DB ever.


Purveyor of fine Filth
SFREDSKIN is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 10-19-2011, 10:39 AM   #32
freddyg12
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jontrem View Post
I wonder how much Becks mobility and the injuries along the Oline figured in this decision?
I think regardless of the o line, even if the o line was the best in the nfl, Beck's mobility & speed are a big advantage over Rex. It's not just Rex's lack of scrambling ability, he doesn't move well in the pocket. You can have the best pass blocking line, your qb will still get some pressure & need to move. e.g. NE, you still see Brady move his feet in the pocket and adjust even when blocking is good. Rex also has a slow release.

Like this move, not expecting Beck to win games for us w/30+ throws a game, just want to see him make enough plays & reduce TOs & we'll be at least avg.
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:02 AM   #33
mlmpetert
Playmaker
 
mlmpetert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Richmond
Posts: 3,261
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jontrem View Post
Just out of curiosity what would you consider as Rex's strengths? I am not being snarky or sarcastic here, serious question.

Yeah i was wondering the same thing when i was originally typing my comment....

But i do think Rex is good at somethings. He gets the ball off very quick and spreads it around well. I also think hes fairly acurate within 15 yards. What makes him so bad in my opinion is the fact that you can count on him making extremely horrible decisions when given the opportunity. He also has very bad "pocket presence" combined with poor ball security. He is also bad at reading and throwing into zones. I personally think that while he likes playing football games he isn’t passionate about the sport, which can be okay for some skill positions (WR, Art Monk) but not for the QB position.

I guess im more saying that he was being forced to do things that we all knew he was bad at, rather than relying solely on his capabilities.
__________________
mlmpetert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:03 AM   #34
SkinzWin
Playmaker
 
SkinzWin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 3,543
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by GMScud View Post
Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.
McNabb was a miss on his part. But a gamble a lot of people would have taken regardless. Everything else I believe is what was out there that we could get. As I always say, Rome wasn't built in a day. (History teacher in me) They have been upgrading other positions of need because they didn't see any FA qb's or draftees that they liked. No point in getting someone big in FA, or betting the farm in the draft just for the sake of getting a big name qb. I mean come on, who do you think these guys are? Vinny?!?

Watch Shanny draft a 1st round QB talent in the draft he likes this year and it will be different, I guarantee you.

PS: I think Beck will be better than Grossman to the effect of Beck not necessarily being a much better QB than Grossman, but that he is more of a game manager than a risk taker. He won't turn the ball over as much as Rex . Make the throws he needs to make and let the running game and defense win games. Just like what the Jets did with Sanchez going to the AFC title game. However, with our offensive line injuries, I think that line of thinking could be threatened and we take steps back unfortunately. I hope these back up guys can step up.
__________________
Sean Taylor #21 a Redskin forever...

Team Heinicke Fan Club
punch it in - CEO
SkinzWin - President
FrenchSkin - VP of Global Operations
ODUsmitty - Director of Cheerleader Fulfillment
Meks - Director of Marketing
SkinzWin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:08 AM   #35
mredskins
MVP
 
mredskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 12,452
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by GMScud View Post
Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.
I think that speaks more to the difficulty it is to find that true number one then it does MS inability to find the right guy.

If you go back to each number you listed and erase hindsight you would probably agree that was the best move at the time. I mean you are even saying at #10 this is his best move right now with what he has; two weeks down the road it may look like the dumbest move ever.
__________________
When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!
mredskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:13 AM   #36
Lotus
Fire Bruce NOW
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 11,434
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
Would have been nice for us if McNabb wasn't benched yet
Good point. Maybe Ponder will get hurt, giving DMac more starts.
__________________
Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250)
Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350)
Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444)
Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430)
We won more with Vinny
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:14 AM   #37
pg86
No new threads for you
 
pg86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,959
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by GMScud View Post
Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.
Washington Redskins to start John Beck at QB - ESPN preach on Herm

Also third times a charm maybe he got it right this time with the QB
pg86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:21 AM   #38
Jontrem
Impact Rookie
 
Jontrem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 608
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by mlmpetert View Post
Yeah i was wondering the same thing when i was originally typing my comment....

But i do think Rex is good at somethings. He gets the ball off very quick and spreads it around well. I also think hes fairly acurate within 15 yards. What makes him so bad in my opinion is the fact that you can count on him making extremely horrible decisions when given the opportunity. He also has very bad "pocket presence" combined with poor ball security. He is also bad at reading and throwing into zones. I personally think that while he likes playing football games he isn’t passionate about the sport, which can be okay for some skill positions (WR, Art Monk) but not for the QB position.

I guess im more saying that he was being forced to do things that we all knew he was bad at, rather than relying solely on his capabilities.
Haha ok so I will agree with spreading it around and being accurate within 15 yards. However the negatives have always outweighed the positives with him and I agree and think that KS was asking too much out of him.
Jontrem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:22 AM   #39
backrow
The Starter
 
backrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: 36.28 x 76.22
Age: 72
Posts: 1,812
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by GMScud View Post
Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.


Remember #5 equaled 2 + 3?
__________________
'37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!
backrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:25 AM   #40
CRedskinsRule
Living Legend
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 56
Posts: 21,130
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by GMScud View Post
Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.
I think you are missing the very 1st decision, and it was from that one that every other decision followed.

The 1st decision was that the rest of the team could not sustain a raw qb's growth. Thus, his actions all were predicated on building a fundamentally sound team where he could draft his guy, and have him have success. From that, the only questionable decision was getting rid of Campbell, but I have already said that, atleast in my opinion, that was simply moving a guy to clear out past history, so when he does bring in his guy, there are no divided loyalties.
CRedskinsRule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:26 AM   #41
WilbursHomie
Special Teams
 
WilbursHomie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 319
This move gives me a little more faith in the coaches. I sometimes feel like MS and KS are stubborn as hell and you know they wanted it to work out with Rex to show how smart they are with choices. Glad they can do what's best. Because with Beck, we might be getting the same thing as Rex, but maybe not. With Rex, we know exactly what's going to happen. 50 percent decent games, 50 percent horrible.
WilbursHomie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:31 AM   #42
Lotus
Fire Bruce NOW
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 11,434
Re: John Beck Era Begins

So we got our starting QB for Doug Dutch.

I don't know whether to cheer for a brilliant personnel move or to cry because we have a Doug Dutch-quality starting QB.
__________________
Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250)
Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350)
Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444)
Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430)
We won more with Vinny
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:36 AM   #43
CRedskinsRule
Living Legend
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 56
Posts: 21,130
Re: John Beck Era Begins

One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.
CRedskinsRule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:41 AM   #44
Lotus
Fire Bruce NOW
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 11,434
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule View Post
One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.
Agreed. In my eyes both of our QB's are potential turnover machines.
__________________
Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250)
Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350)
Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444)
Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430)
We won more with Vinny
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:43 AM   #45
Bucket
Playmaker
 
Bucket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Martinsburg, WV
Posts: 3,881
Re: John Beck Era Begins

Where are the bells and rays of sunshine sneaking through the clouds while making this announcement?

The Book of John has begun!
John Beck will be the next morman QB in the NFL to go to the SUPER BOWL!
He will have as many touchdowns as he has wives
__________________
I need something to cheer about
Redskin Fan since '88
Be friends on Twitter! @thecasualhero
Bucket is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We have no official affiliation with the Washington Commanders or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.65968 seconds with 10 queries