Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Can you imagine the hissy fit Portis would throw in front of the media if we trade Moss?? Ugh.

If we trade Moss, I'll be annoyed. Not because I don't think he's worth moving for a 2nd rounder, but because if we hadn't panicked and signed Jason Taylor, we'd have a 2nd round pick to use without moving Moss.

I suspect Portis is well aware of the rumors, which could account for some of his recent disgust anyway.

Ironically, the Dolphins are one of our rumored trade partners. Though I don't think for Moss. But our first for their first and first of their two 2nd rounders is possible and could be great for us. I'd love it personally

[CrazyCanuck]

I would NOT trade Moss for a 2nd rounder.

Why, so we can draft another receiver and wait 3 years until he possibly becomes as good as Moss is now? Makes no sense to me. Moss is our only threat beyond 20 yards, he's just gotta catch the damn ball. The guy dropped more passes this year than Carlos.

You can bring in another established receiver to replace Moss, but it doesn't make much sense from a cap perspective to take a $7M deadcap hit to come out even on the field. Then again we did take a $9M deadcap hit on the $9 Million Dollar Baby to bring Moss here, so it would be fitting to take another $7M hit on the way out...

And Portis will cry and then what?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I tend to agree. And if the rumors are true, he's much more actively being shopped and likely to be traded than Rogers. Apparently, the Redskins are eyeing three 2nd rounders again.

Well, I suppose they've at least got the whole drafting for value concept down.

They do make it crazy hard on themselves when they pay premium prices for mediocre talent though.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I tend to agree. And if the rumors are true, he's much more actively being shopped and likely to be traded than Rogers. Apparently, the Redskins are eyeing three 2nd rounders again.

What "rumors" are there about santana moss being traded? Thus far, there have been no rumors about ANYONE on the skins roster being traded, unless you count JLC's speculation about Rogers. Even still, there have been no "rumors" about santana moss being traded that i'm aware of - just one fan's idle speculation. There's a huge difference between a legitimate rumor and speculation, even if it is "educated" speculation.

[GTripp0012]

I've got a question about Rogers contract, which extends through 2011 but is voidable after 2009, and is a virtual certainty to be voided.

Abscent a new CBA, he would still be a Restricted Free Agent after voiding his contract, correct? The option to void his contract doesn't give him a loophole to unrestricted free agency, I assume.

[FRPLG]

I'd trade Moss for a 2 but we'd still need a #1WR. Where is that coming from. Thomas looks like a turd in the makin g and while Kelly has serious talent his knees indicate he'll never play 16 a year. Randle El can't even do the #2 job sufficiently. We can get by with Kelly @ #2 to me(cross fingers on his knees).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'd trade Moss for a 2 but we'd still need a #1WR. Where is that coming from. Thomas looks like a turd in the makin g and while Kelly has serious talent his knees indicate he'll never play 16 a year. Randle El can't even do the #2 job sufficiently. We can get by with Kelly @ #2 to me(cross fingers on his knees).

Well, you'll probably hear rumors of Houshmanzadeh. But I think those are bunk, probably being fed from right inside Redskins Park to jack up TJ's value (which is high as it is) since their division opponents are known to be interested.

And I don't think they're trying to get extra picks with the intent on spending a high pick on a #1 WR. So I agree we still would need someone. If healthy, big if, Kelly should be a lock to be the #2 WR this year. Thomas, will be in that 3/4 range in 2009, depending on how much he advances this off-season and what happens with El. And Davis should be much more involved, I would think.

You'll probably also hear rumors of Brandon Jones because of the Sherman Smith connection with Tennessee, I'm not buying those either.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, you'll probably hear rumors of Houshmanzadeh. But I think those are bunk, probably being fed from right inside Redskins Park to jack up TJ's value (which is high as it is) since their division opponents are known to be interested.

And I don't think they're trying to get extra picks with the intent on spending a high pick on a #1 WR. So I agree we still would need someone. If healthy, big if, Kelly should be a lock to be the #2 WR this year. Thomas, will be in that 3/4 range in 2009, depending on how much he advances this off-season and what happens with El. And Davis should be much more involved, I would think.

You'll probably also hear rumors of Brandon Jones because of the Sherman Smith connection with Tennessee, I'm not buying those either.

I wish we could have a Kelly-Randle El receiver tandem, but unless Kelly shows the ability to make the down the field play, that's at least a year away from happening.

[TheSmurfs22]

With our current WR woes I do not see us getting rid of Moss. I do not think that would be a smart move at this juncture.

[MTK]

Personally I wouldn't cry over trading Moss.

I like him but he's not what you want out of a true #1 WR. I think JLC said it best so I'll just quote him:

Moss is no longer one of the elite receivers in the game. He is the best playmaker the Skins have, but without a dynamic second receiver to complement him, he's pretty easily taken away. His size is a detriment and unlike, say Carolina's Steve Smith, he isn't going to beat Cover-2 for deep plays with any sort of regularity. And with such a dearth of talent around him, that's generally what it takes for the Skins to have any offensive success. When opponents ignore him early, he reminds them that he can still play with a few big games. Then opponents double up on him and effectively shut him down. That's basically been the story of the past few seasons.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally I wouldn't cry over trading Moss.

I like him but he's not what you want out of a true #1 WR. I think JLC said it best so I'll just quote him:

Trading him for a 2nd round pick would make sense from a value standpoint, as JLC said, he's not really an elite guy anymore. But at the same time, we'd have to recognize that trading Moss for a pick would be making the team WORSE in 2009.

It's the kind of move that can pay off in the long run. But trading him would leave us with no WR even remotely proven capable of handling a starting role, let alone a #1 role. We'd easily have the worst WR corps in the league.

If the team made a move like this, it better be coupled with other house-cleaning moves like CC suggested. If you're going to choose the rebuild route, you gotta go all out for it and commit to the youth movement. I'd hate it if Moss were traded and then we went and kept Jason Taylor, something like that would make no sense. We'll see I suppose.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Trading him for a 2nd round pick would make sense from a value standpoint, as JLC said, he's not really an elite guy anymore. But at the same time, we'd have to recognize that trading Moss for a pick would be making the team WORSE in 2009.

It's the kind of move that can pay off in the long run. But trading him would leave us with no WR even remotely proven capable of handling a starting role, let alone a #1 role. We'd easily have the worst WR corps in the league.

If the team made a move like this, it better be coupled with other house-cleaning moves like CC suggested. If you're going to choose the rebuild route, you gotta go all out for it and commit to the youth movement. I'd hate it if Moss were traded and then we went and kept Jason Taylor, something like that would make no sense. We'll see I suppose.

Ironically, the three free agents WRs we had most been associated with last off-season may be available this spring as well-Hackett, B. Johnson, and D. Jackson.

No doubt in my mind though that if they are able to get some 2nd round picks, with Moss being part of the leverage to get those, then you'll definitely hear a lot of buzz about the Redskins offering some package that includes a 1st this year or within the next three for Boldin.

[Ruhskins]

I think in a year that you have 4 draft picks and a lot of need, you would want to get some of those picks through a trade. Right now Moss would make the most sense. I think we could find a team to give us their 2nd rounder for Moss. While he has been great in some games, there are other games where he has been shut down and we have been fine (I believe the 1st game against the Iggles was an example). Someone said that Moss and ARE are those type of receivers that depend on speed, well once they hit 30 or more, they will lose a step and their effectiveness drops way down.

[Trample the Elderly]

If were going to rebuild the team then I think he could be traded for picks (Plural). He's still a very good receiver and is worth picks (Plural).

Seeing how Vinny says he wants more picks who could we trade?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

If were going to rebuild the team then I think he could be traded for picks (Plural). He's still a very good receiver and is worth picks (Plural).

Seeing how Vinny says he wants more picks who could we trade?

We might get multiple picks for Santana but they would not equal the value of more than a 3rd rounder. No one's going to give us a 2nd for Moss.