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[quote=warpaint;688142]Ok did the club have a 21 age limit? If so your right. He did admitt to providing the drinks. Now if the club allows 18 and up that girl would have had some type of marking on her permitting from drinking.[/quote]
I don't know the answers to that. She could've had a fake ID as well, who knows. It is still the bartender's responsibility to know where the drinks he's handing out is going. This is why in a lot of places you can only order 1-3 drinks at a time. If Roeth knew it's his fault too.

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Reading some reviews it seems like 18+, no clue on how they mark underaged kids, and black guys are routinely denied no matter what.

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any way you look at it, the establishment bears some responsibility for serving underage persons alcohol. however, there's no denying that rothlesberger is culpable as well. he (knowingly or otherwise) provided alcohol to someone who was underage. its not really any different than if he engaged in sexual conduct with someone who was underage. even if the hypothetical girl told him she was of legally consenting age, he would have committed a crime.

i understand the alcohol thing is relatively minor when compared to everything else, but the way i see it, its the only thing he could actually be charged with, given the current evidence. its kinda like charging al capone with tax evasion. granted, rothlesberger is not al capone, but he's still a scumbag. based on everything i've read, hes a despicable, disgusting human being and best and he doesn't deserve to play in the NFL.

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The GA DA said they had DNA, but the sample size was too small to determine whether it came from Ben the Thug. With today's technology I don't buy that at all. I think Ben is a lucky man and used money to buy the woman off. I have no proof, but I do believe that's what happened.

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there's also the security video recordings that were deleted so police couldnt review them. unfortunately, its probably going to take another incident where rothlesberger assaults someone for him to be put away where he belongs.

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[YT]7C3RrvZMx-M[/YT]

NM, move along, looks like the video will not post.

NM now its there, still not much to see.

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[QUOTE=Pocket$ $traight;688034]Ok. So instead of an internet forum where you can say whatever you want about anybody, if you were on a TV interview and someone said, "What do you think about Big Ben?". You would answer, "He is a scumbag rapist". That would seem like an easy defamation case to me.

The standard to charge someone with sexual assault is very low. If I am not mistaken[QUOTE]

You are.

If I was asked on T.V. ( :yeahright) what I thought of Big Ben and replied "I believe he is a scumbag rapist." I'd be perfectly fine. I wouldn't be stating it while [I]knowing[/I] that it was untrue just to damage him. It's not defamation in this case. It's free speech. I can have an opinion about someone without a court ruling telling me it's ok to have it. Thank God.

Over 1 in 10 Americans believe Obama is the anti-christ and have stated so in print, radio and T.V.. That's some pretty serious defamation right there. Right?

As to him not being charged and the supposed low standard to press charges of sexual assault: Where are you pulling this from? Do you know this [I]beyond a reasonable doubt[/I]? :silly:

In Georgia, the DAs office makes the decision whether to press charges or not. Not the victim or the police.

What the DA needs are all the elements of the crime met to [I]beyond a reasonable doubt[/I] [B]and [/B]they need to believe that they can actually win because what DA wants to end up with egg on his face by losing a high-profile case against a star athlete? They are politicians after all and they will be only using their overworked and underpaid attorneys to battle the best criminal defense attorneys that Big Ben can afford.

Many DAs share the belief that in sexual assault cases, and especially intrafamilial ones, they actually need evidence that is beyond an [B]unreasonable[/B] doubt to even think of going forward.

Any rate, enough about this. I hold an opinion you seem to find distressingly uncompassionate and close-minded. You hold a world view that seems naive and foolish...and one that I miss holding.

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Any rate, enough about this. I hold an opinion you seem to find distressingly uncompassionate and close-minded. You hold a world view that seems naive and foolish...and one that I miss holding.[/QUOTE]


Well thanks for your opinion. Take that and add two cents and you will have two cents.

Call him a rapist all you want, I will still say that you are wrong and ignorant.

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There are a lot of far worse people in the world than Big Ben, that said, he still makes some bad decisions...but is he a serial rapist? absolutely not.

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[quote=tootergray34;688245][B]There are a lot of far worse people in the world than Big Ben,[/B] that said, he still makes some bad decisions...but is he a serial rapist? absolutely not.[/quote]

most definitely. but they aren't starting quarterbacks in the NFL.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;688237]

Well thanks for your opinion. Take that and add two cents and you will have two cents.

Call him a rapist all you want, I will still say that you are wrong and ignorant.[/quote]

Saying he's absolutely not a rapist is just as ignorant as saying he absolutely is. None of us knows all the facts.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;688173][YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C3RrvZMx-M[/YT]

NM, move along, looks like the video will not post.[/quote]


If it was the Terry Bradshaw comments on Ben, I agree with everything he said.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688250]Saying he's absolutely not a rapist is just as ignorant as saying he absolutely is. None of us knows all the facts.[/quote]

So let's start calling everybody a scumbag rapist, whether it can be proven or not. You will be correct sometimes.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;688173][YT]7C3RrvZMx-M[/YT]

NM, move along, looks like the video will not post.[/quote]

fixed it for you

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Should the Steelers go after Jason Campbell?

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And to think the Steelers passed up an Danny M in the draft because he drank in bars when he was 21 years old.