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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[QUOTE=MTK;1279036]Of course, doesn't mean you stop rolling the dice though. If you hit you can hit big.[/QUOTE]

That’s what I have always said. In fact I’d draft 2 QBs this year if you have to. Yeah I roll the dice but if you don’t even try what’s the point?

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

My prediction for the WFT QB derby in 2021:

1. Taylor Heinicke will compete for the #1 QB position in TC with Allen. Taylor is the plan for 2021.

2. Kyle Allen will probably be the backup

3. The WFT may trade a mid-draft pick of 2022 for a BACKUP QB from maybe the Packers or some other team. A young guy to add to the competition.

What this does for the team. The WFT can use the draft and FA to fix some of their Big HOLES:

FA: WR, LB, S , TE in that order.

Premiere WR to balance against McLaurin. This will open up the offense. Big bucks.

A very good LB: an all around, very good LB who can stay with the TE, WR and stop the run. Medium cost

A good S in case Collins sucks. Lower cost

Draft: drafting for the OL to protect Heinicke

First Round: OT best available. Time to get youth and power into the OL.

Second round: CB or TE

Third Round: OG - to replace Scherff if a long-term deal can’t be worked out.

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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[quote=Warthog;1279071]My prediction for the WFT QB derby in 2021:

[B]1. Taylor Heinicke will compete for the #1 QB position in TC with Allen. Taylor is the plan for 2021.

2. Kyle Allen will probably be the backup

3. The WFT may trade a mid-draft pick of 2022 for a BACKUP QB from maybe the Packers or some other team. A young guy to add to the competition.

What this does for the team. The WFT can use the draft and FA to fix some of their Big HOLES:[/B]

FA: WR, LB, S , TE in that order.

Premiere WR to balance against McLaurin. This will open up the offense. Big bucks.

A very good LB: an all around, very good LB who can stay with the TE, WR and stop the run. Medium cost

A good S in case Collins sucks. Lower cost

Draft: drafting for the OL to protect Heinicke

First Round: OT best available. Time to get youth and power into the OL.

Second round: CB or TE

Third Round: OG - to replace Scherff if a long-term deal can’t be worked out.

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I feel like the biggest hole [I][B]is[/B][/I] QB. RR made it clear after the season that the QB position is “one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established”. They have made it clear that they want to upgrade at QB, and have they already shown that they are pursuing other options, so I don't think they begin the season with TH and KA battling it out.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

Unless they move up for Fields or Lance it’s definitely looking like they’ll roll with a FA Like Mariota or as mentioned trading for Darnold.

Best case scenario is The Jets keep Sam and Atlanta doesn’t draft a QB. If those happen, the QBs will fall some.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

I think Atlanta will draft a QB if the guy they want falls to them, so likely they'll take one. I'm not sure I then see a slot we can sensibly move up to to pick on of the remainder (assuming the Jags and Jets pick the top 2 prospects). Panthers are almost guaranteed to go QB and I'd be surprised if the Pats didn't take the opportunity of a high 1st to get a top QB (unless Bill is dead set on trading down for more picks; they do have a weak roster). Unless we can get an affordable trade I would be surprised if we trade up. I'd bet on RR holding out until draft day to see what shakes out and if there's still a great prospect at #19 grab him, else work a trade with the Jets for Darnold (assuming they draft QB and Darnold is surplus he might go cheaper than advertised) and take BPA in rd 1, then pick up someone like Mond lower down to stash on the PS. A 3rd for Darnold wouldn't be the end of the world, and if we got him for a 4th (or less?!)...

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[quote=AnonEmouse;1279083]I think Atlanta will draft a QB if the guy they want falls to them, so likely they'll take one. I'm not sure I then see a slot we can sensibly move up to to pick on of the remainder (assuming the Jags and Jets pick the top 2 prospects). Panthers are almost guaranteed to go QB and I'd be surprised if the Pats didn't take the opportunity of a high 1st to get a top QB (unless Bill is dead set on trading down for more picks; they do have a weak roster). Unless we can get an affordable trade I would be surprised if we trade up. I'd bet on RR holding out until draft day to see what shakes out and if there's still a great prospect at #19 grab him, else work a trade with the Jets for Darnold (assuming they draft QB and Darnold is surplus he might go cheaper than advertised) and take BPA in rd 1, then pick up someone like Mond lower down to stash on the PS. [B]A 3rd for Darnold wouldn't be the end of the world,[/B] and if we got him for a 4th (or less?!)...[/quote]

End of the world? No, but it would be a terrible move. Zero interest in Darnold. Frankly, I wouldn't sign him as a free agent. I certainly don't want to give away an asset for him. We have three QBs better than Darnold on the team right now.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[quote=Number44;1279085]End of the world? No, but it would be a terrible move. Zero interest in Darnold. Frankly, I wouldn't sign him as a free agent. I certainly don't want to give away an asset for him. [B]We have three QBs better than Darnold on the team right now.[/B][/quote]

C'mon, freakin Steven "oh fuck no am going to get on the field oh no thank god Heinicke is back" Montez is not better than Darnold...

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[quote=FrenchSkin;1279086]C'mon, freakin Steven "oh fuck no am going to get on the field oh no thank god Heinicke is back" [B]Montez is not better than Darnold[/B]...[/quote]

We don't really know, but he certainly can't be worse. Darnold would be his floor. Have you looked at Darnold? Good grief, he is really awful.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

Jameis is staying in New Orleans per ESPN

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1279074]I feel like the biggest hole [I][B]is[/B][/I] QB. RR made it clear after the season that the QB position is “one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established”. They have made it clear that they want to upgrade at QB, and have they already shown that they are pursuing other options, so I don't think they begin the season with TH and KA battling it out.[/quote]

RR made it clear that franchise QBs don't grow on trees. He wants one, but there are more teams that want one than there are such QBs. Give RR credit for not overpaying for retreads at QB, though Rams saved us from ourselves with Stafford.

They see no one in FA or other teams that can actually be traded for without mortgaging future absurdly, which they wisely won't do (1,024 first round picks for the HOLE Watson!). Position most teams are in, at least half, probably closer to two thirds or three quarters. I think we could sign a cut if that happens.

I think we will draft someone at QB. A third developmental prospect. Maybe early, maybe late, but our FO has to have identified at least two or three QBs in draft that have potential, even if late in draft. I think we might be prepared to move up 2-5 spots if a guy we like falls. Some think Trey Lance?

The problem is that most FA QBs don't offer anything Heinecke doesn't. Heinecke is smart and can run a pro O but has weak arm and small size. There are 10+ FA QBs who are the same guy, but possibly with less moxy. Then there are the running QBs or talented guys who aren't accurate and usually mentally slow and can't run a pro O consistently effectively. I'd be much more comfortable giving Heinecke a one year shot, but his arm strength is a real concern. Once Ds and DBs study film on him, his inability to place ball with power, having to completely anticipate, may be exposed, especially in pocket with pressure where he can't go through complete motion. Heinecke does NOT have arm strength to consistently deliver long, accurate throws even with non-optimal mechanics like other QBs like Mahomes, Rodgers. Of course, Brady can't do that either, so who knows. . .

I like Mac Jones, but he is essentially Heinecke 2.0, arm strength real concern. I think a first round QB should have elite athletic traits, and teams often reach for QBs that don't. Mistake. I could see us drafting a LT, CB, FS, LB, etc., to maximize value and then taking QB 3rd - 5th round, which is where QBs with obvious flaws in game should go. If we are going to find a franchise QB without mortgaging the farm, and without blind luck of one dropping which can't be counted on, we have to draft one with talent in the right places and flaws in the right places, that are correctable.

A GM that takes 3 or 4 cracks at drafting a QB over 3 seasons, should find a franchise QB, and if he can't, you need a new GM.

Teams that win the SB without franchise QB--they have never won more than one in salary cap era--load the O up with talent and have a dominant D. I think our FO is preparing to do that, they want to find a franchise QB, but know odds say they won't.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[quote=skinsfaninok;1279079]Unless they move up for Fields or Lance it’s definitely looking like they’ll roll with a FA Like Mariota or as mentioned trading for Darnold.

Best case scenario is The Jets keep Sam and Atlanta doesn’t draft a QB. If those happen, the QBs will fall some.[/quote]

Good god I would be so pissed if we got Mariota, Dalton is a better option imo. Darnold seems too broke and expensive to fix, pass.

I know the Skins are seriously thinking QB first round...Fields, Lance are def a move up option they are considering if they fall head over heels during this process. The Bama guy will probably be gone at our pick and I don’t think he fits.

I’d prefer a blockbuster for Wilson or Watson and if we don’t move up, I’d take Ian Book with our 4th round pick. Off script playmaker, athletic and competitive. Accuracy is a plus. Sit him as behind Heinicke and Allen to grow him as a placeholder for at least a backup.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

Heinicke starts and stays healthy. And the legend is born.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

Coaching can make such a huge difference to players (see WFT 2020 defense) it is short sighted at best to write off a young and talented player before he has been given a chance to play for someone other than Adam Gase. Tannehill was written off because of his years under Gase, look at him now. Darnold has issues, of course, otherwise he wouldn't be available for less than 3 1st rounders ala Wilson and Watson. But I don't think you will get him for less than a 2nd rounder, the demand will be too great for just a 3rd rounder to suffice. Whether you think he is worth a shot or not is a personal opinion, but right now I trust RR and the front office to know more than the fanbase so if they do/don't trade for Darnold then it was for good reason. As for Montez, you are high if you think Darnold is his floor. His floor is he will be cut in training camp.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[quote=skinsfaninok;1279091]Jameis is staying in New Orleans per ESPN[/quote]

Not surprised by this at all