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I like the idea of Fields and Jones sliding down to/past #19 (though I'm not sure anyone rates Lance as better than Fields...), but if that were to happen would we seriously overlook 2 potential franchise QB's in favour of a LB? Can't see that happening.

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I like the idea of Fields and Jones sliding down to/past #19 (though I'm not sure anyone rates Lance as better than Fields...), but if that were to happen would we seriously overlook 2 potential franchise QB's in favour of a LB? Can't see that happening.[/quote]

Lance has a ton of hype, some say he's right up there potential wise as Lawrence due to his raw athletic ability.. The thing is, he's raw so some teams may be hesitant to take him.

Fields ain't fallin that far but I hope he does.

Casserly has had some very bad takes in the past few drafts.

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[QUOTE=Scalper;1278131]He wasn't mobile five years ago in his prime.

He stated the truth without directly denigrating anyone. No problem with that.

But the truth is that no team can trust his durability moving forward, especially not in a starting role.[/QUOTE]



You don’t think Alex Smith used his legs or was mobile before his injury?

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5 years ago in 2015 Smith ran for almost 500 yards with KC. Not mobile?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1278136]Give me your data and we can have a discussion about it. But once again I love how you lump everyone in as either a pocket passer or a running qb with out recognizing a continuum. How can you seriously lump in Rodgers and Manning in the same category? It is absurd.[/quote]

Also, in what universe is Rodgers considered a pocket passer?

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I like the idea of Fields and Jones sliding down to/past #19 (though I'm not sure anyone rates Lance as better than Fields...), but if that were to happen would we seriously overlook 2 potential franchise QB's in favour of a LB? Can't see that happening.[/quote]

I don’t know. I’ve seen some stuff out there that says that Fields have difficulty reading defenses and has a high number of plays that he’s firing to his 1st read instead of being able to work through his progressions. I see Lance as a Josh Allen 2.0. He may be raw but has a HUGE talent and athleticism ceiling. Allen surged in year two. Lance may follow the same trajectory. I personally would rather have Lance over Fields. But I doubt we get either. We would be more like to get Mac Jones, and although I think he will be a solid QB, his lack of mobility will not translate well to our current offensive scheme.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278164]Also, in what universe is Rodgers considered a pocket passer?[/quote]

The same universe in which Smith wasn’t mobile 5 years ago

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The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1278180]The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.[/quote]

I’ve always felt that’s what makes college QBs so hard to judge. Figuring out what they CAN do vs what they were asked to do in college. I think Fields and Jones are in the same boat there.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1278136]Give me your data and we can have a discussion about it. But once again I love how you lump everyone in as either a pocket passer or a running qb with out recognizing a continuum. How can you seriously lump in Rodgers and Manning in the same category? It is absurd.[/quote]

Rodgers is more mobile than Manning, but Rodgers primarily sits in pocket and tries to read the D and make throws. No, they aren't identical creatures, yes there is a continuum, but both are primarily pocket passers. My data is the simple bottom-line result: every QB who has won 2+ SBs in salary cap era is a pocket passing QB.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1278180]The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.[/quote]

Maybe, maybe not. Until a guy has read Ds successfully in a pro system, it is a projection. He played in a system that was not a true pro system which required him to read Ds and go through progressions, in other words. He played in a system that is nothing like the pros. I'm not hating on Fields, but you don't know he can read pro Ds because his college system never asked him to. He made easy passes to wide open receivers who were usually MUCH more talented than their defenders. That doesn't mean he sucks, but it means he will be in an environment in the pros COMPLETELY different than that in college. You can't ever assume someone will easily succeed in that transition. Some guys make the transition, some bust, even the total experts aren't sure why. Sure, not being a lazy turd like Haskins helps, but some guys watch all the film in the world and still never make the transition. It is HARD, which is why franchise QBs are rare. What is certain is that you GREATLY decrease your chance of having a QB bust by drafting one who already played in a pro-style system.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1278171]I don’t know. I’ve seen some stuff out there that says that Fields have difficulty reading defenses and has a high number of plays that he’s firing to his 1st read instead of being able to work through his progressions. I see Lance as a Josh Allen 2.0. He may be raw but has a HUGE talent and athleticism ceiling. Allen surged in year two. Lance may follow the same trajectory. I personally would rather have Lance over Fields. But I doubt we get either. We would be more like to get Mac Jones, and although I think he will be a solid QB, his lack of mobility will not translate well to our current offensive scheme.[/quote]

Then adapt the scheme. That is what great coaches do, get the most out of players by maximizing utilization of their strengths.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1278175]The same universe in which Smith wasn’t mobile 5 years ago[/quote]

He wasn't. Mobile or not, Smith never lived up to his high draft status. He has been an above average QB at absolute best, played on some solid teams but never elevated them and never came up big in playoffs when it counted most. Trading for him was horrible. He is again a stellar human being, but a thoroughly average QB. The worst thing about him is he is Cousins 2.0, Captain checkdown, lacks the killer instinct to go for the big play. You're not beating Mahomes or other great QBs with a QB with that mentality. Sooner he is off the roster, the better, even if he was never injured.

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I agree Scalper. Smith is a great human being. but he was at his best not much more than a slightly above average QB.

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[quote=Scalper;1278199]Then adapt the scheme. That is what great coaches do, get the most out of players by maximizing utilization of their strengths.[/quote]

I agree but I think you and I both know that more coaches than not in the NFL run a “system” and work to make the player fit their scheme instead of build something around the player that maximizes their skill set. Too many big egos in the NFL.

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My first crack at a mock draft for 2021, basically just went bpa

19: R1 P19 QB Justin Fields - Ohio State
51: R2 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
74: R3 P10 G Jackson Carman - Clemson
82: R3 P18 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
124: R4 P19 RB Jaret Patterson - Buffalo
164: R5 P19 CB Shawn Davis - Florida
243: R7 P17 WR Jhamon Ausbon - Texas A&M
245: R7 P19 LB Justin Hilliard - Ohio State

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[quote=MTK;1278514]My first crack at a mock draft for 2021, basically just went bpa

19: R1 P19 QB Justin Fields - Ohio State
51: R2 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
74: R3 P10 G Jackson Carman - Clemson
82: R3 P18 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
124: R4 P19 RB Jaret Patterson - Buffalo
164: R5 P19 CB Shawn Davis - Florida
243: R7 P17 WR Jhamon Ausbon - Texas A&M
245: R7 P19 LB Justin Hilliard - Ohio State[/quote]

Hmmm looks like you found Scherff's replacement

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[quote=MTK;1278514]My first crack at a mock draft for 2021, basically just went bpa

19: R1 P19 QB Justin Fields - Ohio State
51: R2 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
74: R3 P10 G Jackson Carman - Clemson
82: R3 P18 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
124: R4 P19 RB Jaret Patterson - Buffalo
164: R5 P19 CB Shawn Davis - Florida
243: R7 P17 WR Jhamon Ausbon - Texas A&M
245: R7 P19 LB Justin Hilliard - Ohio State[/quote]

Sign me up for Hunter Long. Not familiar with picks 124 thru 245. Some new guys to look up. The best thing about mocks. #knowledgeispower

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Courtesy of the PFN Mock Draft Simulator

19. Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota
51. Asante Samuel Jr. CB Florida State
74. Brevin Jordan TE Miami (FL)
82. Walker Little OT Stanford
124. Kyle Trask QB Florida
164. Larry Rountree III RB Missouri
243. K.J. Britt LB Auburn
245. Tre Walker WR San Jose State

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I did my own with the PFN simulator, accepting trade offer for #19:

32. Kadarius Toney WR Florida
51. Richie Grant S UCF
67. Dylan Moses LB Alabama
74. Josh Myers OC Ohio State
82. Hunter Long TE Boston College
124. Jamie Newman QB Georgia
148. Paulson Adebo CB Stanford
164. Jaelon Darden WR North Texas
243. Brenden Jaimes OT Nebraska
245. Tommy Kraemer OG Notre Dame

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First ever attempt on the PFN simulator, I'd be happy with this...

19. Mac Jones QB Alabama

51. Alex Leatherwood OT Alabama

74. Chaz Surratt LB North Carolina

82. Hunter Long TE Boston

124. Keith Taylor CB Washington

164. Damonte Coxie WR Memphis

243. Jamar Johnson S Indiana

245. Tommy Kraemer OG Notre Dame

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My first too (hello fellow Brummie! :)):

19. Kyle Pitts TE Florida
63. Amon-Ra St. Brown WR USC (trade)
74. Eric Stokes CB Georgia
87. Jackson Carman OT Clemson (trade)
98. Demetric Felton WR UCLA (trade)
124. Kellen Mond QB Texas A&M
136. Aaron Banks OG Notre Dame (trade)
243. K.J. Britt LB Auburn

Trade returns:
2022 NO 4th
2022 PIT 5th

I went for BPA/value, beefing WR OL and CB. Maybe better value in a higher LB pick but Britt could be good value. I like Mond from what little I've seen and he could, like Lance, benefit from a year behind a vet like Allen or even Heinicke.

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19: R1 P19 LB Zaven Collins - Tulsa
51: R2 P19 S Richie Grant - UCF
74: R3 P10 OT Brady Christensen - BYU
82: R3 P18 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
124: R4 P19 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
164: R5 P19 WR Josh Imatorbhebhe - Illinois
243: R7 P17 CB Camryn Bynum - California
245: R7 P19 G Nolan Laufenberg - Air Force

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278595]My first too (hello fellow Brummie! :)):

19. Kyle Pitts TE Florida
63. Amon-Ra St. Brown WR USC (trade)
74. Eric Stokes CB Georgia
87. Jackson Carman OT Clemson (trade)
98. Demetric Felton WR UCLA (trade)
124. Kellen Mond QB Texas A&M
136. Aaron Banks OG Notre Dame (trade)
243. K.J. Britt LB Auburn

Trade returns:
2022 NO 4th
2022 PIT 5th

I went for BPA/value, beefing WR OL and CB. Maybe better value in a higher LB pick but Britt could be good value. I like Mond from what little I've seen and he could, like Lance, benefit from a year behind a vet like Allen or even Heinicke.[/quote]

Hello again. I haven't posted for a while but often find time for a read through and always enjoy reading your posts, very balanced.

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[quote=Brummie Brave;1278597]Hello again. I haven't posted for a while but often find time for a read through and always enjoy reading your posts, very balanced.[/quote]

:food-smil

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PFN mock draft simulator is crazy with trades. I got all these picks and picks for next year on just accepting certain trades. I didn't actually propose any. No way trade offers are this common but it was a fun exercise.

32. Zaven Collins LB Tulsa
95. Elijah Moore WR Mississippi
97. James Hudson OT Cincinnati
98. Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
101. Kyle Trask QB Florida
124. Ben Cleveland OG Georgia
127. James Wiggins S Cincinnati
135. Monty Rice LB Georgia
140. Rodarius Williams CB Oklahoma State
142. Frank Darby WR Arizona State
153. Quintin Morris TE Bowling Green
174. Damar Hamlin S Pitt
178. Josh Palmer WR Tennessee
243. Tommy Kraemer OG Notre Dame
245. Jamar Johnson S Indiana
2022 TB 3rd
2022 DEN 3rd
2022 IND 3rd
2022 NO 3rd
2022 TB 4th
2022 IND 5th
2022 NO 5th
2022 TEN 5th
2022 DAL 6th

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My PFN, no trades, I'd let Scherff walk, one of Ts on roster backs up G or starts at G. Our Ts wolud then be Lucas, Moses, Charles, Leatherwood, Little, one moves to or swings G this year, next year Lucas is FA and Moses can be cut no cap cost, both older than 30 gone, we have Leatherwood, Little, Charles, draft one more T 3rd to 7th round, maybe a G, OL solved. Open competition this year at T both spots. This gets us 2 QBs, cut Allen, 3rd Heinecke, long term solutions at LT and RT, which with C locked up solidifies OL for 4 years. We have developmental QBs, 3 of them, and the Ts to protect them on the edges. Added a decent RB which we could use behind Gibson, cut non-producers or guys with no burst like Love. Added a big athletic WR with true speed, a big corner, and a TE. Hit every high leverage position, but did not address the one gaping hole in D at FS, nor the needs at LB. Getting a QB and protecting him more important, next year finish shoring up D with stopgaps in FA similar to this year, low cost players smart deals.

19.

Mac Jones
QB Alabama
WAS
51.

Alex Leatherwood
OT Alabama
WAS
74.

Javonte Williams
RB North Carolina
WAS
82.

Walker Little
OT Stanford
WAS
124.

Nico Collins
WR Michigan
WAS
164.

Benjamin St-Juste
CB Minnesota
WAS
243.

Peyton Ramsey
QB Northwestern
WAS
245.

John Bates
TE Boise State

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Rashod Bateman:

6' 2"
210 lbs
4.39 40 time

Opposite of McLaurin, that would be sick...

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1278596]19: R1 P19 LB Zaven Collins - Tulsa
51: R2 P19 S Richie Grant - UCF
74: R3 P10 OT Brady Christensen - BYU
82: R3 P18 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
124: R4 P19 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
164: R5 P19 WR Josh Imatorbhebhe - Illinois
243: R7 P17 CB Camryn Bynum - California
245: R7 P19 G Nolan Laufenberg - Air Force[/quote]

I love this draft! Tons of talent in positions of need.

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[quote=Brummie Brave;1278594]First ever attempt on the PFN simulator, [B]I'd be happy with this...[/B]

19. Mac Jones QB Alabama

51. Alex Leatherwood OT Alabama

74. Chaz Surratt LB North Carolina

82. Hunter Long TE Boston

124. Keith Taylor CB Washington

164. Damonte Coxie WR Memphis

243. Jamar Johnson S Indiana

245. Tommy Kraemer OG Notre Dame[/quote]

Me too. Good job!

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19. Derrisaw - LT
51. Tylan Wallace -WR
74. Davis Mills - QB
82. Brevin Jordan - TE
124. K . Green - G
163. A . Ogundeii - LB
243. D.J Daniel - CB
245 . Josh Ball - T

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278998]Rashod Bateman:

6' 2"
210 lbs
4.39 40 time

Opposite of McLaurin, that would be sick...[/quote]

Usually don't like taking WRs in the first but I'd take him at 19

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Yes, we should let Scherff walk. After all, All Pro Guards are so easy to replace ??????

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[quote=Ohioskins;1279025]Yes, we should let Scherff walk. After all, All Pro Guards are so easy to replace ??????[/quote]

Maybe not, but covering up a weak guard is easier to do than other position groups. I would argue it would be better to have a mid tier guard on a low cost salary and put that money into a different position group than it would be to pay $18 mil + per year for a guard and suffer with your talent level at other position groups.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1279048]Maybe not, but covering up a weak guard is easier to do than other position groups. I would argue it would be better to have a mid tier guard on a low cost salary and put that money into a different position group than it would be to pay $18 mil + per year for a guard and suffer with your talent level at other position groups.[/quote]

Rewatch the Ram game with Martin vs Donald and get back to us.

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Sorry but y’all freaking out waaayyyy too much on giving Scherff a few million more than you want, esp given the cap space we have. It’s really not that big of a deal.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1279049]Rewatch the Ram game with Martin vs Donald and get back to us.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s a fair comparison I guess to bring up the most dominant D lineman in the entire league who makes even all-pro offensive linemen look like turnstiles. Nope...

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[quote=SkinzWin;1279051]Yeah, that’s a fair comparison I guess to bring up the most dominant D lineman in the entire league who makes even all-pro offensive linemen look like turnstiles. Nope...[/quote]

Actually it is. Since some think “guards aren’t important” then just anyone can be plugged in there. Hell someone else said guards don’t matter, just take our backup tackles and just plug them in there because anyone can do it. People have some funny ideas about football.

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And it’s all good, we can agree to disagree. Again, I just think people are blowing out of proportion the effect of paying Scherff and extra few million this year considering the cap space we have and he still might sign a long term deal. Also still don’t understand people clamoring for us to sign our own and then complaining when we do because it costs money.

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Elite players get paid elite money. It is what it is. He's not just a guard, and you can't just plug in any guy to that position and think this offensive line will be remotely the same.

I'm glad they are bringing him back, even if only for one more year.