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I think a player refusing to play for a certain team out of college is way worse for the integrity of the game than when a team isn’t interested in winning a meaningless game. Like Eli Manning for example. That shit shouldn’t be allowed.

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[quote=Giantone;1272205]First I'm not jumping on anything Washington has done. I said before I like RR and thought you guys deserved what you earned . Seems many have a hard time taking the Giants out of the equation. Maybe this might help.

[url]https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/doug-pederson-eagles-tank-jason-kelce-jalen-hurts-nate-sudfeld-joe-judge-20210104.html[/url]


When Doug Pederson pulled Jalen Hurts for Nate Sudfeld early in the fourth quarter in Sunday’s season finale against Washington, many Eagles players and coaches were shocked and outraged, team sources told The Inquirer.

Some were angry. Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.

The NBC broadcast caught Hurts on the bench after he was replaced apparently saying, “That’s not right.”

“As a competitor, I play to win,” Hurts said after the game when asked for his reaction. “You have to trust [Pederson’s plan].”

In many cases, Eagles players and assistants had no inclination that Sudfeld was part of the offensive game plan, and if they did, they figured it had been abandoned because of the tight score.[/quote]

Lets keep this in perspective they didn't pull a hot Aaron Rogers in the fourth quarter.

Jalen was 7/20 for 72 yards and a 1 int. 34 yards rushing, albeit two TD's rushing.

We all said it here the first drive the Eagles scored on was a complete gift from the refs; it was penalty after penalty keeping that drive alive. So basically the one drive that got the Eagles to 14 was legit.

Jalen Hurts wasn't keeping the Eagles in the game our poor offensive play was keeping the Eagles in. Eagles don't win with Jalen or Sudfeld.

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[quote=MTK;1272208]People around the league like to cry about the integrity of the game when it suits them. Benching starters when you have the division wrapped up is ok but making a QB change during an equally meaningless game isn't? Just stop.[/quote]

Yeah, I was on that boat for a minute myself. However, after taking a step back and looking at all the circumstances, I think all the outrage is pretty unwarranted.

Fact is, Hurts was not playing very well. Yes, he had those two TDs from scrambling, but the WFT D locked him down in the second half. He failed to score after getting the ball at the 15. Sudfeld has been in that offense for like three years, and apparently the plan was to get him some time anyway. So for me, while the scenario isn't exactly the same as what we're used to - teams resting starters during week 17 in a meaningless game (for them), it was not all that different either. It just looked weird. In the end, Hurts managed to take his team a total of 48 yards in three second half drives. He wasn't effective. So this notion that the Eagles would have won if they had just let him finish the game is flawed.

On to Tampa.

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[quote=Giantone;1272191]What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.[/quote]

You're kidding, right? This happens a lot. Underdog team going for it on 4th and goal from the 4 to take the lead. In fact, PHI did it all year. As did other teams. Going for it on 4th down is no longer a rarity. I can tell you I was very nervous that they were going for it. It was the third quarter. Whether tied or down 3, the team would have to score more to win. WFT wasn't really moving the ball all that well, the rain was getting worse by the minute, and worst case if you fail to score on 4th down, you've got WFT pinned at their own 4 with a one-legged QB. Whiny Giants fans and NY-centric media are making way too much out of that decision. In complete hindsight, no less. It just wasn't all that unusual, or even really that poor of a decision.

I think that a coach failing to challenge a questionable completion that allows the opponent to attempt a field goal to force the need for a TD rather than a FG is a much worse coaching decision. Much worse, and it isn't close. Potentially saving the time out didn't matter nearly as much as preventing that FG attempt in that situation.

Coaches are going to make decisions that you wouldn't make. Nothing new about that.

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Pederson might be the most aggressive 4th down coach in league history, the call to go for it instead of tying the game was right up his alley.

And idc about the hubbub of him pulling Hurts when he said during the week that was the plan. It wasn't some surprise like people are making it out to be.

I loved Rivera's response when asked about it too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1272207]Lol G1...

10 losses, the Giants didn’t deserve to make the playoffs in any scenario[/quote]

I agree with you and said so,LOL, .............but 9 is?

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[quote=mooby;1272261]Pederson might be the most aggressive 4th down coach in league history, the call to go for it instead of tying the game was right up his alley.

And idc about the hubbub of him pulling Hurts when he said during the week that was the plan. It wasn't some surprise like people are making it out to be.

I loved Rivera's response when asked about it too.[/quote]

And it was pointed out this year very unsuccessful at it .

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[quote=punch it in;1272216]I think a player refusing to play for a certain team out of college is way worse for the integrity of the game than when a team isn’t interested in winning a meaningless game. Like Eli Manning for example. That shit shouldn’t be allowed.[/quote]

Ok if Elway does it right? To try and equate the two is crazy.

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[quote=Giantone;1272269]I agree with you and said so,LOL, .............but 9 is?[/quote]

This year it does

Move along bro you've lost this battle

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[quote=MTK;1272275]This year it does

Move along bro you've lost this battle[/quote]

LOL, what battle? I haven't lost a thing.

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[quote=Giantone;1272278]LOL, what battle? I haven't lost a thing.[/quote]

The division, this discussion, big fat L's son

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272274]Ok if Elway does it right? To try and equate the two is crazy.[/QUOTE]



Who said it was ok if Elway does it? And it isn’t crazy. The worst team drafts first for a reason, and when who they deem the best player refuses to play for them - and is allowed to do it - that ruins the integrity of the game.