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Houston is trying to make up for all of O'Brien's fuck ups in one deal. Which ... is a tall ass order.

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Ryan Clark "If I'm Washington , I'm giving up 3 1's and Montez Sweat"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1276308]Ryan Clark "If I'm Washington , I'm giving up 3 1's and Montez Sweat"[/quote]

I wouldn't be against that.

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[quote=MTK;1276309]I wouldn't be against that.[/quote]

My thing is, Watson will lift the Offense up a ton.. Sweat is great but it's much easier finding an Edge rusher than Franchise QB.

I think if they offered that and Houston took it, we'd all be happy

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[quote=MTK;1276309]I wouldn't be against that.[/quote]

Oh man, that would be tough. Right on the fence. The picks are fine, 1 of those would basically be Watson himself, because we'd still get a player this year. But giving up Sweat makes me squeamish. If we did that, we would need to re-sign Kerrigan.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1276307]Houston is trying to make up for all of O'Brien's fuck ups in one deal. Which ... is a tall ass order.[/quote]

It's too bad O'Brien isn't still around. We could probably get Watson for Ade Jimoh.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1276304]Do you realize you have a Collins avatar? :D

They're not young and I wouldn't do it even then because of the number of picks PLUS 2 players. Too much.

Let some other team demolish their next 2 drafts.[/quote]

To be fair to Landon Collins, he is only 27

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[quote=MTK;1276309]I wouldn't be against that.[/quote]

I wouldn't either.

I wouldn't be against giving 2 1sts, 2 2nds and 2 players either. Obviously a lot depends on the players though.

Curl and Allen?

Yeah, I'd do that.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1276304]Do you realize you have a Collins avatar? :D

They're not young and I wouldn't do it even then because of the number of picks PLUS 2 players. Too much.

Let some other team demolish their next 2 drafts.[/quote]

Fixed.

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Houston can ask what they want right now, it doesn't matter because nothing is forcing them to deal with this situation. As we get closer to the draft and certain teams start to manage their QB situation, I'm sure things will change.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1276311]Oh man, that would be tough. Right on the fence. The picks are fine, 1 of those would basically be Watson himself, because we'd still get a player this year. But giving up Sweat makes me squeamish. If we did that, we would need to re-sign Kerrigan.[/quote]

Long term we're not going to be able to pay Sweat and CY. Just like not we're not going to be able to pay both Allen and Payne. Not too early to start thinking of them as assets to move in possible trades.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1276314]I wouldn't either.

I wouldn't be against giving 2 1sts, 2 2nds and 2 players either. Obviously a lot depends on the players though.

Curl and Allen?

Yeah, I'd do that.[/quote]

No way I would do that -- that's 3 1st round picks (as Allen was one), 2 2nds, and 2 legit starters. Way too much for one player -- I don't care who it is. And it isn't like we're one player away from a Super Bowl. Even if we sort our our QB situation, we will still need help at LT, MLB, FS, CB, WR, and TE. When have we ever seen teams that mortgage their futures like this find success?

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[quote=MTK;1276317]Long term we're not going to be able to pay Sweat and CY. Just like not we're not going to be able to pay both Allen and Payne. Not too early to start thinking of them as assets to move in possible trades.[/quote]

Watson is an ELITE QB, He would instantly come in and be the best QB we've had in 30 years... maybe ever. He's 25 and makes everyone around him better. His character is amazing from what players and coaches have said. Dabo Sweeney said "He's the MJ of college football" when he had him at Clemson.

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I would do it...2 firsts, a second, Sweat and Collins. All day. Get the best WR in free agency to go with Terry...and if everyone stays relatively healthy...we're definitely in the playoffs next season competing. There is NO pick in this years draft or next that could do that for this team.

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I havent seen Watson play enough to have strong convictions either way. I would rather keep Sweat, I love Allen but of the big 5 he is the most expendable.

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Jon Allen is almost criminally underrated by fans it seems. I see him getting locked up long term.

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[quote=MTK;1276322]Jon Allen is almost criminally underrated by fans it seems. I see him getting locked up long term.[/quote]

He is, I agree with that. However, if I had the choice of which 1st rounder to include in an offer it would be either Allen or Payne. For the same reasons as has been discussed, with their contracts expiring in the next year or two, and you can absorb that loss a little easier than losing either Sweat or Chase - from a production standpoint.

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[quote=MTK;1276317]Long term we're not going to be able to pay Sweat and CY. Just like not we're not going to be able to pay both Allen and Payne. Not too early to start thinking of them as assets to move in possible trades.[/quote]

Seahawks were able to pay Kam, Earl, and Sherman for a while. I think we can pay both Sweat and Young but we will see. No way we can keep everyone though

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Rivera knows that our front 4 has a half-life of just two years before it falls apart. Very good players want to get PAID after their rookie contract. There is no team loyalty when it comes to that. The team can only keep so many of their drafted players. That’s why Kerrigan is the only long-term player.

Getting a guy like Watson is like super-charging your team. Suddenly, you have the best Redskin QB of all time. However, I just don’t think we have the juice to get him, unless Houston will take Payne /Collins plus the draft picks. Other teams will offer the KINGS ransom!

Alex Smith needs to be let go. He’s NOT worth $21 mill. He has almost no mobility left and is another calf injury away from missing a lot of the season. Teams will simply blitz him heavy and often, and getting sacks he can’t avoid due to his very, very limited movement (not even running). ability. He’s done, if he is ready to roll the dice for one more season.

Heinicke deserves a shot at the QB job. Getting an off-season to bulk up, practice with the WR and getting first team reps could get him even better than the Bucs game. I don’t think that game was a fluke.

Draft the best QB left after the TOP 3 QB are gone. There are plenty of top QB in the NFL now who weren’t the #1 or #2 QB in the draft. With a good Qb draft pick and Heinicke we have a very good chance of finding the franchise QB.

Getting a couple of OL draft picks and an elite FA WR and our new QB will get this offense into at least an average range (versus near the bottom). Medium offense and top 5 Defense = playoffs.


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If you want Watson, make sure you’re prepared to give up at least one player you’re emotionally attached to. That’s just the way it is.

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[quote=Schneed10;1276327]If you want Watson, make sure you’re prepared to give up at least one player you’re emotionally attached to. That’s just the way it is.[/quote]

For me that’s Payne.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1276327]If you want Watson, make sure you’re prepared to give up at least one player you’re emotionally attached to. That’s just the way it is.[/QUOTE]We should do a poll about what player(s) to trade

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[quote=Schneed10;1276327]If you want Watson, make sure you’re prepared to give up at least one player you’re emotionally attached to. That’s just the way it is.[/quote]

I'd give up Payne, Matt I., or Allen, along with three first round picks.

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What if it was CY and 21 first for Watson ?

Would you do it?

I would

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1276334]What if it was CY and 21 first for Watson ?



Would you do it?



I would[/QUOTE]Nope

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Chase and 19th pick for Watson ....who would or would not?

I Would!!

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[quote=rocnrik;1276336]Chase and 19th pick for Watson ....who would or would not?

I Would!![/quote]

Chase, Montez, T-mac, 3-way, and curl are the only ones in the lineup I would say absolutely not to. Also wouldn't want to see Gibson go, as I wanna see what he's got, but not the same tier.

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[QUOTE=OnceWeWereKings;1276337]Chase, Montez, T-mac, 3-way, and curl are the only ones in the lineup I would say absolutely not to. Also wouldn't want to see Gibson go, as I wanna see what he's got, but not the same tier.[/QUOTE]CY and TMac are the only 2 for me, but I would not give up 2 stars.

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[quote=calia;1276318]No way I would do that -- that's 3 1st round picks (as Allen was one), 2 2nds, and 2 legit starters. Way too much for one player -- I don't care who it is. And it isn't like we're one player away from a Super Bowl. Even if we sort our our QB situation, we will still need help at LT, MLB, FS, CB, WR, and TE. When have we ever seen teams that mortgage their futures like this find success?[/quote]


I'm basically in line with your thinking.

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If we're going for it now by trading for Watson, it makes no sense to me to give up a couple of our better players. I'd sweeten the offer by adding more draft picks.

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I agree, giving up key players would be one step forward, 1 or 2 steps back. And risk team chemistry as some of these guys are de facto leaders.

Right now, I actually doubt Watson is going anywhere, but I'd start with next 2 1's, 2 3's and go up to 3 x 1's and 3 x 3's. Anything more and we're trashing our ability to draft support around him and bolster the D for the next 3 years. That could defeat the object of bringing him in.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1276343]If we're going for it now by trading for Watson, it makes no sense to me to give up a couple of our better players. I'd sweeten the offer by adding more draft picks.[/QUOTE]Our dline has 6 high value players CY, Allen, Payne, Sweat, Matt I, Settle and if we bring Ryan K back that makes 7
And our backup Smith-Williams seemed capable too. Plus our DC is also a stud.

Our whole offense has 2 and that is a maybe. And our OC clearly needs a competent signal caller for the offense to work.

I would trade Sweat, and Settle
Re-sign Kerrigan and ask for Watt and Watson then work out some balancing draft pick compensation



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[quote=rocnrik;1276336]Chase and 19th pick for Watson ....who would or would not?

I Would!![/quote]

Houston wouldn't. And it'll take more than that. Watson is a very good QB, Young looks like he has HOF potential. I'll keep young and draft a QB, Young is 2nd most important position, especially given we'd have to mortgage the future almost as bad as Rams to get him. And again, Houston will sit Watson all year and fine him into oblivion before trading him. Watson is not being traded. We might as well talk about trading for Joe Montana.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276345]Our dline has 6 high value players CY, Allen, Payne, Sweat, Matt I, Settle and if we bring Ryan K back that makes 7
And our backup Smith-Williams seemed capable too. Plus our DC is also a stud.

Our whole offense has 2 and that is a maybe. And our OC clearly needs a competent signal caller for the offense to work.

I would trade Sweat, and Settle
Re-sign Kerrigan and ask for Watt and Watson then work out some balancing draft pick compensation



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I'll trade Elvis' left testicle and Bill Clinton's conscience and our next 11 first rounders. Watson isn't getting traded. Even if he was, price ruinous.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1276344]I agree, giving up key players would be one step forward, 1 or 2 steps back. And risk team chemistry as some of these guys are de facto leaders.

Right now, I actually doubt Watson is going anywhere, but I'd start with next 2 1's, 2 3's and go up to 3 x 1's and 3 x 3's. Anything more and we're trashing our ability to draft support around him and bolster the D for the next 3 years. That could defeat the object of bringing him in.[/quote]

And then we can raid local high school teams to round out our roster since we have no draft picks.

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[quote=Meks;1276306]not a fuckin chance in hell im giving up that much for watson.[/quote]

Or even half that much.
Finally a voice of sensibility.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1276277]While its a possibility Smith can come back stronger than the start of last season I honestly think its highly doubtful. Had this years injury been to another part of his body maybe, but it was to an already reconstructed calf that already requires artificial support to function. He's past the age of peak physical fitness, so his ability to heal is declining not improving. There's every chance this injury will be recurring and I'd lay odds his consultant has told him so.

While he may think he can compete with the likes of Fitz (who is still quite mobile), the reality is the only advantage he has over any FA we bring in is going to be his brain and possibly his arm. At this point he's less mobile than Rivers, and he just retired.

I can't see Smith lasting more than 1/2 a season without missing game time. You need a better projection for your starter than that.[/quote]

Smith never won anything in his prime on a stacked KC team which Mahomes promptly led to multiple deep playoff runs and a SB victory. He went 5-1 against mostly losing teams. Stellar human being, but even if you could depend on his leg, he is not a great QB, and you can't depend on his calf. Time to move on and build for future. Heinecke as 3rd QB to compete, and then 2 new QBs hopefully both drafted.

Time to go young and find our own franchise QB via the draft. First four picks LT,QB,CB,WR. FA MLB and FS. Keep building the smart way, the sound way, long term.

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“I’ve heard Washington and their brain trust love Justin Fields... I’ve heard he’s a leader and a high character kid.”

From Kevin Sheehan

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[QUOTE=Scalper;1276347]I'll trade Elvis' left testicle and Bill Clinton's conscience and our next 11 first rounders. Watson isn't getting traded. Even if he was, price ruinous.[/QUOTE]I don't think Watson is getting traded either.

But the FO would be derelict if they didn't put together a package that they felt was reasonable/doable and make the offer. Our DL has players we wont re-sign and can use their value to minimize the draft pick compensation. And if Houston is dumb enough to trade Watson (again I don't think they will unless he holds out all season) then we should make an effort to get him. At the least it makes other teams put higher offers out.

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Watson is gone, he has said he is 100% done there. The Texans have no choice.. You can play hardball for so long but then the trade value ends up hurting you because you waited so long.