Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

I saw the coaching rant thread AFTER I posted this here! My bad ;).

PS I'm fine with acquisitions--it's hard to single these guys out when everyone is playing badly. But AA and Carter especially have to do MUCH more if we are going to have a decent season.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

wow its amazing how everyone's attitude has changed. when i express the same thoughts in april and through the first couple of weeks i was called a closet cowboy fan or traitor. see the differences between the redskins and the other teams that when like the philly,pats,carolina,balt,sea, etc is they use the draft to improve their team,instead of spending millions over millions of dollars on fa.we spend 10 million here and there for anyone who looks prettier in their uniform. lloyd,randle el,carter,the great white dope number 40,the list could go on and on. we always win the super bowl every march and april, it would be nice to win it in feb sometime. we all get excited and fooled evert offseason by this owner and front office its the joke of the nfl. never have any draft picks ever.just trade them away like it means nothing. look how dallas,phily are being built every year draft and draft.we have the worst qb in the divinsion and we gave a third round pick for him when he was going to be released. let smoot go and pay rogers about 10 mill siging bonus but we cant pay smoot. so we draft roger and pass on merrirman. let ryan clark to another great move by ol danny and vinny and gilbbs. the skins will win next week and everyone one will say were BACK GOING TO PLAYOFFS MARK BRUNELLS BACK THROWING SCREENS. Loved his overthrow of portis wide open by 10 yards thank god peirce couldnt catch it. we should didnt need peirce either we have marshall and holdman, is rocky every going to play since we trading extra picks like we always do, not just on special teams maybe could he start on defense. hail to the skins

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

even if you forget about the good/great players we let walk, there is still good evidence that the FO has failed us. Just look at the players we overpay: AA, Brunell, Carter, Patten, Springs, etc.

the jury is still out on some of these guys, but the underlying theme is that we overpay for old players and/or players who haven't lived up to their potential. sometimes this works, but the odds are against you whenever this strategy is employed. :(

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Why would we pay Smoot #1 money for his #2 ability. So far this year he has no INT's and 1 Pass Defensed. Ryan Clark didn't even start for us his first five games when we got him from the Giants and he only ended up with 65 tackles and 1 Pass Defensed his first year with us. He would be an upgrade right now but only because he had two years with us to finally become, at best, decent. Archuleta definitely sucks BIG TIME in coverage but he is by far a better tackler than Ryan Clark could ever hope to be. Archuleta will get better as will the CB play, especially from Wright. Rogers is still learning but he has been thrust into the #1 role a little too early for his own development. He may get there but I see him as a #2 for us if we keep him once his contract expires.

I miss Pierce and I was certain at the time he would be a Redskin for life but having only one great year with us doesn't mean you're getting the best payout. Plus, I'm sure (again, at the time) the thought process was that it was GW's system that made him so good. There's some saying about hindsight...

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Signing Archuleta to this team was a mistake. We all bash Roy Williams cause he can't cover then we got out and sign a worse version of Williams. I don't think Archuleta could cover me.

Another thing, Clark fell outta favor with a lot of the fans because LT stiff armed him to the ground on the game winning TD run last season. You know what the difference would be if it were Archuleta? He'd be too damn slow to be in the play! Hell, LT crushed Joey Porter with a stiff arm last night, I don't think it's too embarassing to have one of the best RBs in the game hit you with a stiff arm.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

redskin for life?? That is a phrase this organization lost when Darrell Green retired

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

WOW you guys are crappy fans....it was a 19-3 loss...granted our offense sucked but atleast our redline D shut them down for the most part...look at the bright side!!! When we steamroll the Titans next week and beat the Colts at home what will you guys say?? AA wow what a great pick blah blah blah... IM FUCKING TIRED of people praising the office when we win but then saying they make HUGE mistakes when we lose. Its the same group of guys W or L!!!!!!!! They are there we are here they must know something we don't!!!!! They have made mistakes but ultimately they do what is best for the team. HAVE FAITH!!!!

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=rstone1979;226087]redskin for life?? That is a phrase this organization lost when Darrell Green retired[/quote]

Free agency and the cap changed that my friend.

There's no such thing as a Patriot for life, or a Eagle for life, etc., anymore.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=DaveyFoSho;226089]WOW you guys are crappy fans....it was a 19-3 loss...granted our offense sucked but atleast our redline D shut them down for the most part...look at the bright side!!! When we steamroll the Titans next week and beat the Colts at home what will you guys say?? AA wow what a great pick blah blah blah... IM FUCKING TIRED of people praising the office when we win but then saying they make HUGE mistakes when we lose. Its the same group of guys W or L!!!!!!!! They are there we are here they must know something we don't!!!!! They have made mistakes but ultimately they do what is best for the team. HAVE FAITH!!!![/quote]


Better they make these mistakes now than in December. This loss hurt me 100 times worse though because my girlfriend is a Giants fan and i still have yet to hear the end of it

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=Mattyk72;226090]Free agency and the cap changed that my friend.

There's no such thing as a Patriot for life, or a Eagle for life, etc., anymore.[/quote]

Hey, Chris Samuels proclaimed himself "Redskin for life, Baby!" when he signed his contract extension.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

If the Ravens win tonight i will never hear the end of it either but o well man suck it up! We live to fight another day!

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;226074]wow its amazing how everyone's attitude has changed. when i express the same thoughts in april and through the first couple of weeks i was called a closet cowboy fan or traitor. see the differences between the redskins and the other teams that when like the philly,pats,carolina,balt,sea, etc is they use the draft to improve their team,instead of spending millions over millions of dollars on fa.we spend 10 million here and there for anyone who looks prettier in their uniform. lloyd,randle el,carter,the great white dope number 40,the list could go on and on. we always win the super bowl every march and april, it would be nice to win it in feb sometime. we all get excited and fooled evert offseason by this owner and front office its the joke of the nfl. never have any draft picks ever.just trade them away like it means nothing. look how dallas,phily are being built every year draft and draft.we have the worst qb in the divinsion and we gave a third round pick for him when he was going to be released. let smoot go and pay rogers about 10 mill siging bonus but we cant pay smoot. so we draft roger and pass on merrirman. let ryan clark to another great move by ol danny and vinny and gilbbs. the skins will win next week and everyone one will say were BACK GOING TO PLAYOFFS MARK BRUNELLS BACK THROWING SCREENS. Loved his overthrow of portis wide open by 10 yards thank god peirce couldnt catch it. we should didnt need peirce either we have marshall and holdman, is rocky every going to play since we trading extra picks like we always do, not just on special teams maybe could he start on defense. hail to the skins[/quote]

I'm with you all the way. I've questioned these offseason moves every year but somehow the Skins have managed to be competitive despite watering down the talent. It is finally starting to show. The defensive system is not that great when you don't have the talent to play it. Williams reputation as a defensive guru I think hurts the personnel selection. Its a feeling that anyone can excell in this defense and that isn't so. The secondary stinks, the defensive line can't generate pressure and the linebackers miss too many tackles. But worst than the defense, is the worse Redskin quarterback since Billy Kilmer (okay maybe Heath Shuler). At least Billy Kilmer could wooble the ball 20 yards down the field. Mark Brunnel is horrible. He can't or will not throw the ball downfield. I don't give a crap about risking turnovers, at least keep the other team honest by attempting to throw downfield. I am so tired of looking at dinks and dunks. You have speedteers in Moss, Randle-El, Lloyd and Patten (oops...some idiot decided to sit him and play slow-footed Trash) and your quarterback can't throw the ball 15 yards. God...they reak! It's going to be a long season.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[QUOTE=DaveyFoSho;226089]WOW you guys are crappy fans....it was a 19-3 loss...granted our offense sucked but atleast our redline D shut them down for the most part...look at the bright side!!! When we steamroll the Titans next week and beat the Colts at home what will you guys say?? AA wow what a great pick blah blah blah... IM FUCKING TIRED of people praising the office when we win but then saying they make HUGE mistakes when we lose. Its the same group of guys W or L!!!!!!!! They are there we are here they must know something we don't!!!!! They have made mistakes but ultimately they do what is best for the team. HAVE FAITH!!!![/QUOTE]

No, Archuleta sucked even when he was sacking Leftwich last week...why? Cause that's all he's good for. He sucked when the Skins signed him. He sucked in St. Louis. He can't cover. Period. He can hit, if he ever gets a shot on you. That's my only complaint, I'm tired of rehashing everyone they got rid of. And NO I don't sing their praises for bringing in overpriced free agents...ever. I liked the Portis deal, I was cool with the Moss deal, but I didn't think it would work as well as it has, I hated when they got Brunell and I like them adding Carter, Lloyd and Randle El. If having an opinion about the moves the team makes makes me a bad fan then I'm guilty as charged. But I'd rather be a bad fan than a sheep who does nothing but praise everything they do.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

I can't understand why people still insist on blaming the front office for the acquisitions of the last couple years.

When Coach Gibbs returned it became HIS team. Do you really think Gibbs has been overruled on even ONE decision since he got here? Same goes for GW. This is HIS defense. I'm quite sure Clark, Arch, Carter, etc. were all his decisions. All the front office did was do everything they could from a financial standpoint to get these guys signed up.

I'm not saying we haven't made some bad moves in the last couple years. You guys can debate them to death if you want. But please put the blame or the credit where it belongs - on the coaching staff.

The last bad move I can attribute to the front office was breaking the bank for Lavar instead of Champ. Of course it was a pretty bad move...

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

If it's any consolation I've heard Coles is being a malcontent in New York. Any New Yorkers who can confirm?

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[QUOTE=DaveyFoSho;226096]If the Ravens win tonight i will never hear the end of it either but o well man suck it up! We live to fight another day![/QUOTE]

I Would say your right about that other day but it may be in 08 because we have trade almost all of 07 draft away! But I hope that it is always darkest before the dawn.....It's pretty dark right now! Giants 19-3

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=CrazyCanuck;226289]I can't understand why people still insist on blaming the front office for the acquisitions of the last couple years.

When Coach Gibbs returned it became HIS team. Do you really think Gibbs has been overruled on even ONE decision since he got here? Same goes for GW. This is HIS defense. I'm quite sure Clark, Arch, Carter, etc. were all his decisions. All the front office did was do everything they could from a financial standpoint to get these guys signed up.

I'm not saying we haven't made some bad moves in the last couple years. You guys can debate them to death if you want. But please put the blame or the credit where it belongs - on the coaching staff.

The last bad move I can attribute to the front office was breaking the bank for Lavar instead of Champ. Of course it was a pretty bad move...[/quote]

do you honestly think he has time to personally scout every player they sign (or that he's even good at that, since it's not really his job)?

he has to delegate, he already overhauled the scouting dept. once, but i'm pretty sure vinny and that FO still have a lot of say, simply because he doesn't have time to go over 800 college players and 200-400 FAs every year.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;226330]do you honestly think he has time to personally scout every player they sign (or that he's even good at that, since it's not really his job)?

he has to delegate, he already overhauled the scouting dept. once, but i'm pretty sure vinny and that FO still have a lot of say, simply because he doesn't have time to go over 800 college players and 200-400 FAs every year.[/QUOTE]

For me I have never been a Vinny fan so let him go. What he help do to the 49ers well he should be shot! What is wrong with this team is not just one thing. Maybe free agents do get FAT and Happy! You get all that green and are not hungy. One thing for sure something is really wrong!

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;226330]do you honestly think he has time to personally scout every player they sign (or that he's even good at that, since it's not really his job)?

he has to delegate, he already overhauled the scouting dept. once, but i'm pretty sure vinny and that FO still have a lot of say, simply because he doesn't have time to go over 800 college players and 200-400 FAs every year.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that Gibbs and GW personally scout every player or that Vinny and co. have no say in the process.

But the chain of command is clearly defined on this team and when it comes to personnel decisions I'm quite sure Danny and Vinny are a few rungs down on the ladder.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=TAFKAS;226292]If it's any consolation I've heard Coles is being a malcontent in New York. Any New Yorkers who can confirm?[/quote]

Coles is sulking--yes it is true. On sportsradio up here they were attributing a lot of this to the fact that he had a lot of family/friends in the stands--since he is from Jacksonville--and the Jets stunk up the joint in front of his peeps.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

the reason we pay smoot number one money he proved he could play. merrieman would be a difference make on this team which we dont have now.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Oh Hell, I want Lavar back too............

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

lets dont get desperate now lol

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

yeah, merriman would help any team though. if we re-did his draft, he'd be the #1 pick.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

another over paid dud John Hall

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Hey at least we got Novac back!

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

NYC skin, where do you watch the games? i've been going to midtown, 33 and 3. mercury bar. tons of skins fans (reserved section)...you got a better spot?

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Hey if I am so wrong then why do so many feel like this!

The entire team, coaching staff, and the color burgundy -
52.94%
[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/polls/bar6-l.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/polls/bar6.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/polls/bar6-r.gif[/IMG]

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;227163]NYC skin, where do you watch the games? i've been going to midtown, 33 and 3. mercury bar. tons of skins fans (reserved section)...you got a better spot?[/quote]

MJ Armstrongs on 19th and 1st. I mostly go there because it is so convenient (I live across the street) and I've gotten to know the regulars over the past three seasons there. Heard good things about Mercury! Maybe will take the short walk to Murray Hill one of these Sundays.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=PhxRedSkin;226024]missing #24 and #20 real bad[/quote]

thats it in a nutshell....24 and 20.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

The problem with the front office is they can't say no . If coach Gibbs wants a player , we will do anything to get him , we need some restraint . The F/O should have offered SF a 5th rd pick for Loyd , if SF wants more , we say no thanks . If the Jets want 3 draft picks for the 2nd rd pick , we say no . When AA comes in , we offer him a 2 mill $$ signing bonus , if thats not good enough for him , let him walk . And all I want for Christmas is ,,, S Taylor to KO TO and somehow get it together and make the playoffs , maybe hess will deliver us beer and pizza in a cheeleader outfit if we do ?

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Hey, its time to stop all the negativity and start having some faith.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=CPDAMAN;227694]Hey, its time to stop all the negativity and start having some faith.[/quote]

I wouldn't say that we need faith against the Titans at home.

The Colts.....maybe.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

making mistakes in the front office starts farther back then barber and trotter...remember when we had trent green.....he sat on the bench for a couple of years....only saw one season of action...good ole gus got hurt the first game of the season...that was the year we started 0-7 but then won our last 7 or 8 of the season...he could have been our tom brady...

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[QUOTE=rotahe39;227699]making mistakes in the front office starts farther back then barber and trotter...remember when we had trent green.....he sat on the bench for a couple of years....only saw one season of action...good ole gus got hurt the first game of the season...that was the year we started 0-7 but then won our last 7 or 8 of the season...he could have been our tom brady...[/QUOTE]

I loved Trent Green when he was here, wish he would have stayed. But he didn't leave because of a front office mistake. It was just poor timing that he was a free agent while we were transitioning from one owner to another. It wasn't anyone's fault.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

i agree with takfas, green woulda been great here, much better than Brunell is doing now. Just to clarify, i am not a brunell hater. i think he is great, (at times) and other times I pray that somehow they give me a jersey and tell me to take a whack ( i played QB in highschool ya know!)...jason campbell is the future and todd collins is dirt. if he plays ahead of campbell, I'll shit. the preseaon game(s) he was in, he kept getting into the habit of throwing the ball towards the defensive line. DOH!

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

I am glad to see some people thinking the same way i do. I do feel the front office tends to shaft players, sour on them, what ever the case may be. I do feel they messed up with Pierce, and Smoot. We let trotter go too early, he wasn't 100% recovered from the knee injury. I think he would have done well here in the attacking style of D we use. I think the dropped the ball on clark, but looking how Pearson played last year I dont think they could keep both. LaVar......not so sure. He was a fantastic player the first 4 or 5 years...no doubt about it. But the knee injury definately has slowed him down. And the learning the defense thing...well he never really go a chance to play in the defense for a full season to actually play in it to learn it. Now, he should have been more mentally prepared, but a lot of guys will tell you, the best way to learn is to be on the field. I think the biggest fault I have for this office is the Champ Baily fiasco.(I know I can't spell) I know he didn't really want to be here, but I think the tune may have changed had Joe sat and talked to him. I like Portis...HE IS THE MAN!! I wouldn't trade him for anything, but imagine if we had Champ on the outside in this defense. with springs or even Smoot still. We would be dominate. I always think running backs, productive running backs, can be had in the 2nd and 3rd of the draft. (kind of hard though when you dont have those picks, I know!) I always have a hard time thinking us giving up the best cover corner in the NFL, and a 2nd rounder. Shut down corners with Champs ability do not come often, but a productive 1200 yard back is pretty easy to find. Now, Portis is a true talent, definately one of the best in the NFL. Like I said, I wouldn't give him up for anything. But, if I had to choose a true shut down corner, the best in the NFL, or a running back. I take the corner especially with GW and his defense.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Trotter in this defense? Please. Williams knew from day one when he got here that Trotter wasn't the guy he wanted running his D. He didn't even let him hit the practice field before he was let go.

MLB in this system requires a guy with brains, and no offense to Trotter but he's not exactly known for his cerebral abilities on the field. He's a great LB in a downhill, attacking style of 'D'. He just attacks the ball which is great in Philly, but that's not what Williams demands from his MLB.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=Mattyk72;227795]Trotter in this defense? Please. Williams knew from day one when he got here that Trotter wasn't the guy he wanted running his D. He didn't even let him hit the practice field before he was let go.

MLB in this system requires a guy with brains, and no offense to Trotter but he's not exactly known for his cerebral abilities on the field. He's a great LB in a downhill, attacking style of 'D'. He just attacks the ball which is great in Philly, but that's not what Williams demands from his MLB.[/quote]

Williams expects the MLB to be able to cover receivers down the field. Personally, I think this is asking a bit much. We've seen Lemar Marshall get burned a few times when he was one on one with a WR.

Trotter may be the worst linebacker in coverage in the league besides Lavar, so that would have definitely been a bad fit.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=70Chip;227888]Williams expects the MLB to be able to cover receivers down the field. Personally, I think this is asking a bit much. We've seen Lemar Marshall get burned a few times when he was one on one with a WR.

Trotter may be the worst linebacker in coverage in the league besides Lavar, so that would have definitely been a bad fit.[/quote]
marshall used to play CB and safety...he's one of the better cover linebackers in the league