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[quote=tika49;226964]I am sure Rocky is a nice kid, but do not blame Warrick Holdman for the Redskins front office once again giving up draft picks for a rookie linebacker. The front office once again jumped the gun and Warrick Holdman is not playing bad enough to warrant GW bringing in a rookie to try and gel with Lemar and Marcus[/quote]

well, in rocky's case, if they hadn't moved up, they wouldn't have gotten him. other LBs were available (and CBs, and OGs, and...) but they only wanted one guy.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;226960]The Ade groundswell is definitely picking up momentum...[/QUOTE]


Where? Where?

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I believe communication is a major reason we are having problems on defense. Adding Rocky in there, as a rookie and with 1 year less experience with the Skins, will make the problem worse. Even if he is a better play maker, Williams has decided Holdman has a better grip on the system.

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Oh come on. The problem out there is we have a bounch of slow ass corner back rejects. We also have a line backer that sucks,in Holdman. I see Demeco Ryans dominating in Texas and Thomas Howard in Oakland. Yeah both teams suck, but those two have been the bright spots.

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Anybody might think this might be a Jerry Gray problem? I know Springs is out, but he comes in and all of a sudden we're horrible at corner? I mean Rogers was better than this last year.

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Rogers wasn't matched up against the other team's #1 WRs all the time last year either. I know people always want to keep digging for reasons, but the reasons are simple. We've lost two key defenders in Springs and Prioleau.

Look at how different the offense was minus just one guy in Portis.

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Is he doing that this year? I thought he just defended one side of the field. If so, then that would make more sense.

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I keep hearing how Rogers is young, but most good corners are good the first day they put them on the field

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I would totally disagree with that statement. D'Angelo Hall (arguably one of the top three in the game) got SMOKED his first year with the Falcons, I could go on and on and on with this list.

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[quote=chris36;227238]I keep hearing how Rogers is young, but most good corners are good the first day they put them on the field[/quote]

Let's hear your list of corners that hit the ground running.

I'll guarantee you that most corners struggle initially.

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[quote=Mattyk72;227181]Rogers wasn't matched up against the other team's #1 WRs all the time last year either. I know people always want to keep digging for reasons, but the reasons are simple. We've lost two key defenders in Springs and Prioleau.

Look at how different the offense was minus just one guy in Portis.[/quote]

Our offense was not all too great all our playmaker towards the end of the season.

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Champ Bailey, Darrell Green, Fred Smoot, Antoine Winfield.



Ed Reed One of his best year, was his first.
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Dawkins had on of his best years as rookie also. I have seen maney safties get better as they got older, but most corner backs get a little better within the first three years and then get worse as they get slower.

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[quote=chris36;227288]Champ Bailey, Darrell Green, Fred Smoot, Antoine Winfield.



Ed Reed One of his best year, was his first.
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Dawkins had on of his best years as rookie also. I have seen maney safties get better as they got older, but most corner backs get a little better within the first three years and then get worse as they get slower.[/quote]

You seem to be pointing out exceptions to the rule, and Reed and Dawkins are safeties not corners.

If it's so easy to play corner right from the start, I want to see alot more examples than just the obvious ones.

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I knew that they were safties. I was just pointing out that it is easier to teach a saftey, than a corner. I looked at numerous corners, most played their first year. You show me some good corners that spent two or three years playing shitty, and got a whole lot better. Carlos is doing OK, but will never be great.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;227181]Rogers wasn't matched up against the other team's #1 WRs all the time last year either. I know people always want to keep digging for reasons, but the reasons are simple. We've lost two key defenders in Springs and Prioleau.

Look at how different the offense was minus just one guy in Portis.[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong, Portis did play last week didn't he? We scored 3 points, but we do have Clinton to thank for that, after all it was his dropped pass on a simple throw for a firstdown inside the Giant 10 yard line that allowed us to have to kick that fieldgoal. Perhaps he might take the work week a little more seriously instead of trying to figure out what kind of costume to wear, he might not have that type of lapse of concentration!

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[quote=Mattyk72;226492]Let's just bench or cut everyone and call it a season.

There are other guys playing worse than Holdman.[/quote]



lets see if i can name them. lets start with carlos " i get burnt weekly" rogers, not to mention adam " i got way too much money" archeleta, and andre " i probably should be playing linebacker" carter. Those three right there will make you forget about warrick holdman.

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[quote=offiss;227426]Correct me if I am wrong, Portis did play last week didn't he? We scored 3 points, but we do have Clinton to thank for that, after all it was his dropped pass on a simple throw for a firstdown inside the Giant 10 yard line that allowed us to have to kick that fieldgoal. Perhaps he might take the work week a little more seriously instead of trying to figure out what kind of costume to wear, he might not have that type of lapse of concentration![/quote]

I'm not saying every game with Portis in the lineup is a guaranteed win, but we're certainly a MUCH better team with him vs. without. I'm sure that even you can admit as much, well probably not.

Same goes for the D. Springs' return won't guarantee the D doing a complete 180, but I'll certainly rather take my chances with him vs. without him.

As far as ragging on CP for his costumes, that's just silly. It didn't have any sort of negative effect when they won 5 in a row to close out the season last year, did it?

Trying to correlate dressing up on Thursday to losing concentration in the game is assanine and just another example of you trying to take a lame shot at Portis.

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CP sure lapsed last season when he dressed up and we won 5 straight! got a bunch of 100yd games too.

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I love CP, he's the man

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We better see McIntosh this weekend.

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Those who think Holdman has not been a problem better get TIVO or watch NFL Network tonight at 8. They ran at him constantly. He missed tackles got pushed back and never caused a disruption. Rocky has been consistent on Special Teams. Holdman should be cut and replaced, period. As far as Archuletta, he just does not read the gaps and fill the hole. Rodgers, BIG DISAPPOINTMENT. IF he would turn his head around it would be nice. 2 rookie DT's spells no dline push. Those who also think Ade should be playing have never watched him as he has failed repeatly. Seems he got beat on a simple in route, they were in gol to go so he did not have to worry about getting beat deep. If you ask me they have not blitzed and Williams is the one who has created this disaster. My favorite drill is when they do up and downs then run after the cones. He idiot they run after footballs not cones. The only orange thing they have been running to is the little pylons int eh corners of the endzone, trying to keep the other team from touching them.

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did you happen tonotice if Lamar Marshall plaed any better?

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[quote=Beemnseven;226487]Holdman is only one factor in a bevy of factors for this atrocious defense. If we had a defensive line worth a nickel, Holdman, Marshall and Marcus Washington would be making a hell of a lot more noise. Right now, the front four absorbs everything, never gets penetration, and when lined up against an offense committed to running the ball, they'll get run on.

Not only that, the secondary hasn't been able to cover [B]ANYBODY[/B] yet. There are fundamental breakdowns all over this defense. Singling out Warrick Holdman is like General George Custer raising hell with a poor marksman at the Battle of Little Big Horn.

Still, I also wonder what the coaches are afraid of at this point by playing Rocky Mac.[/quote]There are many issues on defense, and I think Archuleta and Holdman and Rogers are getting the brunt of it. Our Ends have been horrid so far. Holdman is a huge problem and should be replaced. Archuleta has weaknesses in his game and GW knew that when he was brought in here. Archuleta isn't part of the main problem that is no pressure on the QB, he merely is the most picked on DB after the system falls apart. No excuse for his periodic shoddy tackling though. Washington and Taylor aren't making plays. Lemar is playing at Lemar level, but its lost in a lack of success around him. You can run right at Andre Carter every play and be fine. Griffin helps vs the run, but when he's out we are in trouble. Daniels is on the downside. He's lost a bit over last year.

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I'd like to add that if there weren't problems with the front 4, you wouldn't even notice Holdman being out of position and Marcus Washington would actually be making plays.

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Should Demetric Evans be playing more?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;230556]Should Demetric Evans be playing more?[/QUOTE]

great question. frankly i think so. over who though? Daniels or Carter? i'm still hoping Carter remembers who he's $upposed to be one of these games...

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I think you are right, he should play more. I am thinking that Carter should come in on passing downs. Rynaldo Wyn started last year let him play on running downs.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;230559]great question. frankly i think so. over who though? Daniels or Carter? i'm still hoping Carter remembers who he's $upposed to be one of these games...[/QUOTE]

How about this? So long as Salave'a and Griffin remain hurt why start two rookies at DT. Why not move Daniels inside, he's played tackle under Blache in the past. And give Evans the start on the end

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yeah Montgomery failed to impress. don't think Daniels is quite big enough to be a runstopping DT. at that point i think we'd just go 3-4.

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Has any one heard if we will see McIntosh playing this week at linebacker

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i want to see him play sssooooooo badly!!!!!

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[QUOTE=chris36;226488]I think you are right. They seem as if they are not happy with what they have seen. He has hardly played a down, maybe non on defense. Williams odviously will let a rookie play. Look at Golston. He let Taylor play some his first year.[/QUOTE]



When asked about the play of his linebackers GW maintained he was satisfied with their performances thus far. So to continually point out the poor play of any one particular player could be inacurate. We are at this time experiencing poor play across the board from various players at different positions. Singling out one player is not a cure for our overall ills.

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[QUOTE=offiss;226574]Well it's disconsurting to see another draft pick we just had to have can't beat out Warrick Holdman, whether or not Holdman is playing up to par is irrelevant, we gave up picks to get Rocky, if he is incapable of beating Holdman than there is a problem with our ability to evaluate talent.[/QUOTE]



Could one safely say the same thing about our QB Jason Campbell? It seems to be difficult for him to attain the status of #2 QB as well. We gave up quite a bit to get him also.

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Didn't Sean Taylor not start right away either? I mean I don't know that it's a fair assessment to say that because the player isn't starting from day one he's a bust. Doesn't make all that much sense to me to make that correlation

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We are slow on defense right now, that is the biggest problem. Mcintosh has speed, therefore play him, it's that simple

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;231680]Could one safely say the same thing about our QB Jason Campbell? It seems to be difficult for him to attain the status of #2 QB as well. We gave up quite a bit to get him also.[/QUOTE]

Probably more so, but in Campbells defense Gibbs just can't let go of Brunell, he is reserved to the fact that he will not give up until he proves Brunell was a good move. So I don't believe it's campbells inabilities right now because any young QB has to have playing time to really develope, his situation has more to do with Gibbs fascination with his boy Brunell.

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[quote=CPDAMAN;231647]Has any one heard if we will see McIntosh playing this week at linebacker[/quote]

im not a huge "bench holdman" guy, but youd like to think that rocky has worked himself into a few more packages. im not saying holdman has played poorly, but rocky is supposed to be our future at that position.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;231684]Didn't Sean Taylor not start right away either? I mean I don't know that it's a fair assessment to say that because the player isn't starting from day one he's a bust. Doesn't make all that much sense to me to make that correlation[/QUOTE]

True, but saftey is a little more complicated than weakside LB, a LB may get beat for a firstdown, where as a saftey gets beat it's a TD, more reads go along with the saftey position as well. I don't think Rocky is a bust but I do think at this point it doesn't make sense to play an inferior LB in Holdman ahead of Rocky, it's time for on the job training.

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i agree there. if anything, play an extra LB every now and then and at least get him in some game situations.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;231685]We are slow on defense right now, that is the biggest problem. Mcintosh has speed, therefore play him, it's that simple[/quote]

if it were that simple don't ya think he'd be playing?

i think he will be 5 times better than holdman anyway, maybe not right now, but he will be