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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;231083]I was honestly concerned about the Super Bowl this past year because it was in a dome. If they can somehow find a way to literally bring the roof down there would be a lot more casualties than if they just bombed part of an open stadium.
[B] I really hate that I can sit here and realistically think something like this could happen. I want to go back to being a little kid who doesn't know any better.[/B][/quote]


dont we all wish that! i wish i could go back to that age so it wouldnt hurt as much when the 'Skins get shit stomped by losing teams....

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;231083]I really hate that I can sit here and realistically think something like this could happen. I want to go back to being a little kid who doesn't know any better.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to grow up. I'm a Toys R Us kid!

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[quote=TAFKAS;231087]I don't want to grow up. I'm a Toys R Us kid![/quote]

hahahahahahahahahah...........

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;231079]Their goal is to terrorize, thus the term terrorists. They want to force Americans to alter their daily routines, in a sense take away our freedom, to the point that we don't feel free to do what we want. Like go to a football game or ride the subway without the fear of getting blown up.[/QUOTE]

sometimes i feel thats what the politicians and media want. to scare us so we vote for and pay attention to them.

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[quote=dall-assblows;231071]if i saw a terrorist i would beat the shit out of him until he dies because terrorist are so goddamn jealous and little bitches that say 'death to america' all the time.

if they stoped worring about how america is doing and shit, and start working on ther country, there country might be worth living in instead of a fucking shit hell hole that they call a country.

i fucking hate terrorists, all they think about is how to kill america damn it!

if america doesn't take care of this problem, who will?................. no one[/quote]

If you say this using Eric Cartman's voice it's even funnier.

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[quote=RedskinRat;231099]If you say this using Eric Cartman's voice it's even funnier.[/quote]

true, very true.

i'm really concerned that the homeland security is not taking it that serious, saying 'the sources are not creditable' and stuff.

isn't that what they said right before sept. 11th happened?

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They will be hard pressed to find a white [B]m[/B]uslim convert in a van with a dirty bomb if that's what they decide to do. I see this more as [B]i[/B]slamic fearmongering rather than an open threat. ([B]deliberate use of lower case[/B])

Oh, and it's [I]'impeccable'[/I] although it currently isn't.

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[quote=RedskinRat;231106]They will be hard pressed to find a white [B]m[/B]uslim convert in a van with a dirty bomb if that's what they decide to do. I see this more as [B]i[/B]slamic fearmongering rather than an open threat. ([B]deliberate use of lower case[/B])

Oh, and it's [I]'impeccable'[/I] although it currently isn't.[/quote]

whats your problem?

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[quote=FRPLG;231043]Ignorance is bliss huh?[/quote]

I wouldn't know Im not ignorant, you should tell me more about it one day.

But should we have every little detail told to us that we have no power over.
I dont think at 6 am when I am having coffee and toast I need to hear that there are threats from here and there. Like what they are gonna come to me ans ask for the plan of counterattack?, do you think they listened when we were out there talking peace right before they went ahead to bomb Iraq? Do you think I am allowed to step onto those tax dollar paid bases or buildings? Is it true cuz its on TV? Come on now, its for those who need to be spoon fed info fact/or not and for people who can't think for themselves.
In fact, that is why they call it political science. There is a science to controlling and manipulating people to cover intentions and agendas.

Never quote me and reply ignorance is bliss. You are blistered stay away please.

Whatever WW3, the Skins season is over anyway. Apocalypse Now Bitches.

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[quote=dall-assblows;231107]whats your problem?[/quote]

:Smoker:

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[quote=RedskinRat;231109]:Smoker:[/quote]

ok be gay,

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No way, dude. YOU be gay! <Kyle b. Voice>

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First, these terrorists should be called inconvenientists because all they really do is piss people off with the annoying additional security measures we all have to go through.

Second, the topic is definately thread worthy, but please save the conservative "lets nuke the Arab world" or liberal "Bush is Satan" babble for some political blog, college campus, or coffee shop.

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No credability guys, Chill!!!!!

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[quote=RedskinRat;231115]No way, dude. YOU be gay! <Kyle b. Voice>[/quote]

who is kyle b?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;231116]First, these terrorists should be called inconvenientists because all they really do is piss people off with the annoying additional security measures we all have to go through.

Second, the topic is definately thread worthy, but please save the conservative "lets nuke the Arab world" or liberal "Bush is Satan" babble for some political blog, college campus, or coffee shop.[/quote]

I can't hear you over the oppressing Im going through and all the flip-flops and patchouli oil in the air...Free Mandela

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[QUOTE=MightyJoeGibbs;231108]I wouldn't know Im not ignorant, you should tell me more about it one day.

But should we have every little detail told to us that we have no power over.
I dont think at 6 am when I am having coffee and toast I need to hear that there are threats from here and there. Like what they are gonna come to me ans ask for the plan of counterattack?, do you think they listened when we were out there talking peace right before they went ahead to bomb Iraq? Do you think I am allowed to step onto those tax dollar paid bases or buildings? Is it true cuz its on TV? Come on now, its for those who need to be spoon fed info fact/or not and for people who can't think for themselves.
In fact, that is why they call it political science. There is a science to controlling and manipulating people to cover intentions and agendas.

Never quote me and reply ignorance is bliss. You are blistered stay away please.

Whatever WW3, the Skins season is over anyway. Apocalypse Now Bitches.[/QUOTE]

Wow, chill. I wasn't calling YOU ignorant or anything. It is a saying and I thought you not wanting to know everything fit with the ignorance is bliss type idea.

Now you can apologize for over reacting and then you can stay away.

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[quote=dall-assblows;231118]who is kyle b?[/quote]

Southpark, lame Cowboy guy.

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This dude:

[IMG]http://www.sickshitz.street.bg/KyleBroflovski.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=FRPLG;231121]Wow, chill. I wasn't calling YOU ignorant or anything. It is a saying and I thought you not wanting to know everything fit with the ignorance is bliss type idea.

The peace remains. Know if you don't intend that then leave it alone, I may pull your card on it.
I dont think I will bowing at your feet, I may be just the guy to diss you.

There is another saying if you douche you need it. Now don't get upset if it appears im calling you as P****, R U SERIOUS!!!!

Like I would apologize.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;231122]Southpark, lame Cowboy guy.[/quote]

that reminds me [B][U]new southpark tonite[/U][/B]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;231122]Southpark, lame Cowboy guy.[/quote]

:goodjob:

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Not to turn this into a political debate, but here's an interesting take on why the terrorists hate us.

Warning: Not for the flag-wavers who think America always walks among the innocent.


[URL="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24444"]When Will We Learn?[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MightyJoeGibbs;231124][quote=FRPLG;231121]Wow, chill. I wasn't calling YOU ignorant or anything. It is a saying and I thought you not wanting to know everything fit with the ignorance is bliss type idea.

The peace remains. Know if you don't intend that then leave it alone, I may pull your card on it.
Peace it is[/QUOTE]

It's a deal. Kumbaya.. :)

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Whatever lock it up. WP isnt about Political talk.

Hate talk is inevitable when we have to wait another 12 months for a possible chance to have respect for the Skins we love were present.

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[quote=Beemnseven;231127]Not to turn this into a political debate, but here's an interesting take on why the terrorists hate us.

Warning: Not for the flag-wavers who think America always walks among the innocent.


[URL="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24444"]When Will We Learn?[/URL][/quote]

What a load of bollocks this article is:

[I]First of all, stop the hysteria. Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks, because the Swiss mind their own business.[/I]

Anyone who thinks that islam is reacting to current events needs an education in the 'Religion of Peace'. Spread by the sword and coming to a town near you, sooner than you think.

Idiot liberals are just making it easier for them to do so.

'83 they blew up the Marines barracks because they were infidels on islamic soil. The Marines were there as a peacekeeping force saving the lebanese from getting their asses handed to them by the Israelis.

Now can we lock the thread or move it to the Parking Lot?

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;231132]What a load of bollocks this article is:

[I]First of all, stop the hysteria. Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks, because the Swiss mind their own business.[/I]

Anyone who thinks that islam is reacting to current events needs an education in the 'Religion of Peace'. Spread by the sword and coming to a town near you, sooner than you think.

Idiot liberals are just making it easier for them to do so.

[B]'83 they blew up the Marines barracks because they were infidels on islamic soil. The Marines were there as a peacekeeping force saving the lebanese from getting their asses handed to them by the Israelis.
[/B]Now can we lock the thread or move it to the Parking Lot?[/QUOTE]

That was the issue the article raised. Had the Marines not been there, acting as a peacekeeping force which is not what they're trained to do, and overall, ensuring that the United States Government keeps its nose out of business of the rest of the world, we wouldn't have lost 243 Marines. And maintaining a foreign policy of non-intervention might not have pissed off the Arab world to begin with.

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They were already pissed off. The goal of islam is to be THE ONLY RELIGION.

It will happen sooner or later and we can either fight them there or here. Neither is a good choice but 'there' is marginally better.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;231139]That was the issue the article raised. Had the Marines not been there, acting as a peacekeeping force which is not what they're trained to do, and overall, ensuring that the United States Government keeps its nose out of business of the rest of the world, we wouldn't have lost 243 Marines. And maintaining a foreign policy of non-intervention might not have pissed off the Arab world to begin with.[/QUOTE]

It's an issue totally worth discussion but I liken that kind to thought to the idea that I am asking for someone to steal my car when I buy a nice one.

We are a super power. We depend on many different parts of the world for many different things so it is our best interest to be involved. In fact I would also say we have a moral obligation to help other countries when we can. We are often asked(and sometime begged) to intervene. I think we should become somewhat more isolationist but not some much that we aren't around to stop the next holocaust. What would have happened if we had minded our own business there? It's a big time double edge sword that I don't think there is a clear answer to. It isn't a simple situation like democrats and republicans seem to want us all to believe.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;231005]I dont think AMericans really need to know everytime a rocket is aimed at our heads. Fear tactics are being used to push Acts to be signed. I prefer to not hear of such matters, it serves us no purpose to know.[/quote]
i totally agree. with the upcoming elections, it seems the G.O.P wants everyone terrified. in reality they are the ones running scared

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i agree frplg, but... dont we have enough problems in the good old U.S.A to solve first? lets help ourselves before lending our hands to others

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[QUOTE=dmek25;231155]i agree frplg, but... dont we have enough problems in the good old U.S.A to solve first? lets help ourselves before lending our hands to others[/QUOTE]
I second that totally. I hate our political system. It doesn't work. There is a reason that when we are so called "building" these democracies we don't epouse our system. Our system is dysfunctional. It prevents the will of the majority from being the rule and lets the loudest few rule. And it has nothing to do with democrats and repiblicans. Blaming them is like blaming the Capitals for hockey sucking. It is everything.

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[quote=FRPLG;231158]I second that totally. I hate our political system. It doesn't work. There is a reason that when we are so called "building" these democracies we don't epouse our system. Our system is dysfunctional. It prevents the will of the majority from being the rule and lets the loudest few rule. And it has nothing to do with democrats and repiblicans. Blaming them is like blaming the Capitals for hockey sucking. It is everything.[/quote]
1) Tell me a better Government... and explain why.

2) I agree, it's wrong to impose government on a people... but is it wrong to profide relief for a failing one? It raises some serious morality issues when talking about imposing ones culuture on another one. One example is (sorry for the crudeness) female circumcision is widely considered a terrible inhumane practice by most of the western world, however in several countries it's commonly pracited and considered a moral thing to do. Do we have the right to impose our beliefs on other cultures. I think it parallels your point in a way.

3) Do you really wan't the majority to rule. Look around you, seriously. Go to a city and poll people on what they think is good policy. It's not pretty. That's why I like our system. It isn't really a democracy at all. It's really a polyarchy... but I won't get into that. The problem is $. We need to get money out of politics in order for the greed to get out of our policy makers hands. If you've got one issue which is right, and then another with a free dollar in your pocket if you vote for it... that clouds the judgement of anyone. Lets get money out of politics... and that starts with electing John McCain president. He cuts the pork that's attatched to so many bills... He's trying to rid the money involved and that's the direction this country needs to go in.

If you want to know how bad some pork is... look at the emergency war spending bill and you'll be baffled at the amount of illegitimate crap is attatched to it. But since it's an emergency bill, people have to vote for it... no matter how much crap that is attached. It sucks.

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I apologize for going political on thewarpath... but seeing as it was already in an off-topic forum, and politics was already being discussed, I deemed it an appropriate response.

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[quote=RobH4413;231169] 2) I agree, it's wrong to impose government on a people... but is it wrong to profide relief for a failing one? It raises some serious morality issues when talking about imposing ones culuture on another one. One example is (sorry for the crudeness) [B]female circumcision is widely considered a terrible inhumane practice by most of the western world, however in several countries it's commonly pracited and considered a moral thing to do.[/B] Do we have the right to impose our beliefs on other cultures. I think it parallels your point in a way.[/quote]
A moral thing to do - by men.

What if it was a matriarchal society that decided it was a moral thing to castrate every male over the age of 18? You guys would be signin up left and right to impose the belief that you should keep your gonads. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=Lady Brave;231179]A moral thing to do - by men.

What if it was a matriarchal society that decided it was a moral thing to castrate every male over the age of 18? You guys would be signin up left and right to impose the belief that you should keep your gonads. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG][/quote]
I don't dis-agree with you, I think it's absurd... I really do.. I'm not some crazy guy that supports this.



But many people (including women) are not opposed to it and consider it a very important part of their culture. Is it right for us to judge them based on our societal standards? Would it be right for us to come from over-sea's and say... no... no you can't... its wrong... when clearly we're two different worlds... two different societies.... This is an extreme case, and hence the reason I brought it up, because it raises the moral questions of our responsibilites to influence the world abroad.

Where do we draw the line and say... Sorry you can't do that. We may think it's the right thing to go over and free these people. But at what cost? If we have muslim extremist trying to blow up our NFL stadiums mabye it's not our place.

We just have to realize imposing our belief and culture on another one comes at a huge price... and if you ask the victims of 911... they may want to institute a policy change.

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If in some far land a group of people choose to follow a mysoginistic and socially retarding form of religion and insist on spreading it to all corners of the globe at which point would you take it seriously enough to make a stand?

It's not like they even treat women as equals. Did you know that according to Shari'a a man is equal to two women as far as courts are concerned? Did you know that a woman who is raped has to provide four witnesses to the crime or face charges of adultery?

What kind of socienty shrouds their women from head to foot for fear that the slightest hint of female flesh will arouse passions so strong that a man can't control the urges.

They (muslims) condem themselves to live in the dark ages through their adherence to islam.

What was the last great advance of civilization that came out of the ME?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Try this:

[url=http://jihadwatch.org/]Jihad Watch[/url]

And:

[url=http://islam-watch.org/CommunityServer/forums/permalink/1009/1009/ShowThread.aspx#1009]Islam Watch - Introduction to Handbook[/url]

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I understand what you're saying and the point you're trying to make overall, but I have read stories about these women and not one of them thought it was a good thing to have their you know what removed. They felt violated and mutilated. They did not feel they were fulfilling some higher calling. The sole purpose within that particular culture is that those men want to suppress a woman's sexual desire. They believe it will keep women from being promiscuous, etc.

I really was only poking fun at that particular example. It's the same thing for a man. It's one of those things that you just don't want to think about.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;231169]1) Tell me a better Government... and explain why. [/QUOTE]

Some would argue that a parliamentary system likes the Brits have is more representitive than our presidential system. Even with the foresight of our forefathers the presidential system is often devolved into a psedo-monarch.

In addition our dogged refusal(probably just an inability) as a nation to move beyond a 2 party system really leaves us with no where to go. It is always us versus them in the political world which I believe prevents reasoned and most likely successful solutions to our problems from having a real chance.

I'm not socialist or anything I just think the mechanics of our government aren't very good. It is a daunting task to fix though. The US could do it though. Probably the only country who could.

Maybe it just needs tweaks but who can look at our government and says it is totally working for us? We have problems every where we turn. Real problems. And Washington has no solutions really. I guess I am a pessimist with our government right now.

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[quote=Lady Brave;231222]I understand what you're saying and the point you're trying to make overall, but I have read stories about these women and not one of them thought it was a good thing to have their you know what removed. They felt violated and mutilated. They did not feel they were fulfilling some higher calling. The sole purpose within that particular culture is that those men want to suppress a woman's sexual desire. They believe it will keep women from being promiscuous, etc.

I really was only poking fun at that particular example. It's the same thing for a man. It's one of those things that you just don't want to think about.[/quote]
I agree whole-heartedly... But my point was that we have to be very very carefull where we impose our beliefs.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Probably a terrible example. My only point is that, of course there are some cases where it's clearly a morally wrong thing thats going on. But the ends don't neccessarily justify the means in all cases and we should learn from any mistakes we have made. I hope that through globilization, and the spread of education throughout the world we can all reach a common ground on such issues such as moral responsibility. Our #1 goal as a country should be to educate the rest of the world. New technology has created a whole new realm of possibilities. I know the world may never "get along" and that an image of everyone holding hands and singing kum-bye-ya is unrealistic. But accepting ignorance is untolerable. We can't go on repeating the mistakes of the past. For every Muslim kid that see's our bombs being dropped, we have a new terrorist. For every Muslim kid that learns about different cultures, and accepting the world around him, we have an ally.

Yes we are a super-power and with that comes incredible responsibility, but at what cost. Our international leverage has become increasingly suspect, and with good reason. Flawed foreign policy, coupled by seemingly insensitive action has caused an uproar in the middle east. I don't consider myself either a democrat or a republican but I think we can both agree that we've got to do something different, and increased focus on globilization and education IMO is the best answer.