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BrunellMVP? 09-26-2007 07:49 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
From JLC,
"Anyway, we all know the Redskins have choked away their fair share of games since this staff took over in 2004. So I got to thinking how they stood up with other teams, and well, as in the overall W/L record the last 15 years or so, their company ain't pretty.

According to Elias, since 2004 the Redskins have 11 losses when leading at the half, which puts them ... worst in the NFL. Oakland (11) and Houston (10) are the only other teams with double-digit loss totals when leading at the half since Gibbs came back to the NFL.

Overall, Washington is a mediocre 15-11 in 26 games when leading at the half since 2004.

The Redskins used to be the team that got a lead and battered opponents like no one else in the game; now it's the opposite. The rosters aren't nearly as good, the front office not nearly as sound, and say what you will of ownership, game-day coaching decisions, etc.as you consider what this stat means, and what it points to. "

BleedBurgundy 09-26-2007 08:25 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
I have to disagree with some of you when you say that you don't like the 80's Pound the Rock mentality. Personally, I love to see us run and then play action pass. The problem is that we don't have the line right now to wear anyone down. It's one thing when everyone knows you're going to run, it's another all together when everyone knows you're running LEFT. I don't think there's anything wrong with Gibbs' philosophy. Is it extremely conservative? Maybe at times but you know that in the midst of all that pounding that we're going to take 4 or 5 shots down the field. The hallmark of Gibbs coached teams has always been that they're only going to run a small amount of plays from varied formations with excellent execution. Right now, it's that last part that's giving us problems. I think that the bye will give the staff time to adjust the strategy to better suit the injuries on the o line. I'd be surprised if we didn't see JC on more roll outs and three step drops to get the ball out faster and to take some pressure off of our o line.

irish 09-26-2007 09:16 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays..
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72;357230]Not sure why people aren't getting this but they had to spike the ball in order to get the different personnel package in for the goal line. Spiking the ball was the least of our problems during that series.[/QUOTE]

I heard that and know that is the case but I think its a terrible waste of a down. I cant belive the team could not have run a play with the guys on the field at the time and scored. I just cant believe having an extra WR on the field instead another TE would have made much difference.

BrunellMVP? 09-26-2007 09:18 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
they rush the play calling bc they have been so poor in the past with their 2 min offense...delays, miscommunication, etc. i just don't understand why we seem to struggle more than everyone else in the 2 min drill. I understand JC is young, but really...he's done this before...

firstdown 09-26-2007 09:26 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays..
 
[quote=FRPLG;356447]Now this is interesting actually. That number is compelling. Why is it though that the entire second hald felt like we simply were not trying to do anything on offense? Anyone have an answer for that. Anyone here in the second half actually feel like we were still running a balanced offense? I felt the entire second half like all we wanted to do was run the ball and take no chances. But it is hard to argue with 21 of 29[/quote]
I was at the game and we had 7 to 8 pass plays were JC just did not see a wide open WR. My wife even asked why JC did not throw the ball to the open WR. Then when I get home my budy made the comment that JC was starring down WR's and this would make sense to why he missed the open WR.

BrunellMVP? 09-26-2007 09:29 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays..
 
[quote=firstdown;357451]I was at the game and we had 7 to 8 pass plays were JC just did not see a wide open WR. My wife even asked why JC did not throw the ball to the open WR. Then when I get home my budy made the comment that JC was starring down WR's and this would make sense to why he missed the open WR.[/quote]

that will come with time

irish 09-26-2007 09:30 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;357448]they rush the play calling bc they have been so poor in the past with their 2 min offense...delays, miscommunication, etc. i just don't understand why we seem to struggle more than everyone else in the 2 min drill. I understand JC is young, but really...he's done this before...[/QUOTE]

Too many cooks in the kitchen.

firstdown 09-26-2007 09:41 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays..
 
[quote=BrunellMVP?;357454]that will come with time[/quote]
I agree but it seems like everyone is blamming the play calling and the coaches when it may have been that JC just did not make the playes he needed to. I'm not talking about WR's just a little open I can remember seeing guys with 7 to 10 yards of seperation from any Giants players. If it only happened a couple of times that would be one thing but I saw this play after play.

Crazyhorse1 09-26-2007 10:43 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays..
 
[quote=mooby;356293]I pretty much agree with what Green said. This offense needs to open it up more, there's no reason why we shouldn't have been able to punch the ball in at the end. If Gibbs wanted to run the ball in, he should've used Sellers at least. Sellers is more of a short yardage back than Betts will ever be.[/quote]

Last week, I was happy to see they had finally learned how to use Sellers. This week, I was happy to see that they had forgotten how to use Sellers.

Gibbs not using Sellers for short yardage is one of the unsolved mysteries. Gibbs says its because he needs Sellers as a lead blocker. I say nonsense. Since when do 285 pound FB's need lead blockers on the goal line?

BleedBurgundy 09-26-2007 10:45 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
If Betts doesn't trip, he's got a good chance of scoring. I don't get the second guessing here.There's a thousand different things we could have done and if you go by the percentages, this was a safe, high percentage play. It just didn't work out. Sometimes that happens. We'll live.

SmootSmack 09-26-2007 10:53 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;357500]If Betts doesn't trip, he's got a good chance of scoring. I don't get the second guessing here.There's a thousand different things we could have done and if you go by the percentages, this was a safe, high percentage play. It just didn't work out. Sometimes that happens. We'll live.[/QUOTE]

There's a good YouTube video showing the play, he had a pretty clear hole to the endzone.

I'd have to search for the video, no time right now

MTK 09-26-2007 10:54 AM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
I've watched the play a few times since Sunday and it looks like Betts would have gotten in if he didn't trip. Oh well, nothing we can do about it now obviously.

brent 09-26-2007 06:27 PM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
Let me understand this: if the Skins open things up with Jason Campbell in the 3rd quarter and our young QB makes a huge mistake to give the Giants a TD and bring them back into a game that was all but dead, nobody here was going to bury the coaches for being that stupid right?

jsarno 09-26-2007 06:45 PM

Re: Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 
[QUOTE=brent;357697]Let me understand this: if the Skins open things up with Jason Campbell in the 3rd quarter and our young QB makes a huge mistake to give the Giants a TD and bring them back into a game that was all but dead, nobody here was going to bury the coaches for being that stupid right?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't think we'd bury the coaches, we'd chaulk it up to growing pains from a young QB.


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