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You know, When I heard about the deal, I was absolutely shocked. I started texting family and telling them how pissed I was about all this money being spent...

But in all honesty... This is exactly what we've needed for years. We found our answer to Brandon Jacobs. We have exactly the player that this line has been lacking. We have two DE's that have consistently made QB's step into the pocket, but have always lacked the penetrating DT's to collapse it. Enter AH.

This will instantly make our defense top 3. I think this is the perfect player for this team, and if your going to get the perfect player, you've got to pay perfect player money.




I'm officially on the AH bandwagon.

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Redskins will have a press conference to introduce Big Al at 5pm est at Redskin Park to day!!

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Alot of you will be surprised, especially given our tone and the way we writ eon [B][URL="http://www.dcprosportsreport.com"]dcprosportsreport.com[/URL][/B] about the Redskins, much of our criticism well deserved, but here are my thoughts on Haynesworth. Granted, my part at dcprosportsreport.com will likely have an entirely different view.

There were 6 other teams in the running. Word is, several of them were not offering what the Redskins were BUT were pretty darn close. So, my feeling is, was this a position of great need? Answer, YES. Is he the best at his position in the NFL? MOST would say YES. So, would I have offered that deal? YES.

Now, i do believe much of the guaranteed money will be paid in the uncapped salary year of next year? Is that correct?

Overall, good signing.

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If you're gonna spend money like this, which I am not sure is wise really, at least we paid for a dominant player at a cog position.

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The only ODD or WEIRD thing about this is, we have now restructured Griffin and really makes no sense to keep Grif. I would rather see a duo of Golston and Montgomery beside Haynesworth than the frequently injured Griffin.

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[quote=44ever;530980]Lets hope he gives it at least 70% :) I wonder how many warpathers are in favor of the Haynesworth aquisition vs how many against it?
(yes I'm hinting of a poll)[/quote]

I'm 100% not in favor of this move. History shows that these type of moves rarely pan out. Haynesworth has already played 7 years and has a history of getting hurt and has questionable character. The only good thing about this is that we didn't have to give up draft picks. Another bad move by the FO.

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[quote=RedskinPete;530984]Unless we can pick up a OL player in free agency or two then go LB in a deep draft at that spot![/quote]

Your right........i'm a huge fan of Ray Maualuga

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To me, the fact that we were able to do this while keeping Cornelius Griffin is huge. Griffin is capable of having a big season himself. Teams doubling Haynesworth should give Griifin, as well as the DE's, more opportunity to make big plays.

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I think keeping Griff adds leadership to the defensive line, and he should have a good influence on AH. Like everyone here, I like the player, don't necessarily love the money however we were calling for a better pass rush and run stop, and I think we got it. I am a bit concerned about the team's ability to get an offensive lineman, I think read in the Wash Post that the talks with Dock have stopped? I hope not and I hope we can get him for cheap.

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[quote=Dblock804;530955]Think how Romo must feel.[/quote] And McNabb and Eli too. :)

I love the signing because, for a few years we'll all seen and complained how the D-Line is our biggest hole, especially the DTs. We can no longer say it is a weakness.

If our O-line can stay healthy or we upgrade it with the draft, we're a rock solid team everywhere except kicker/punter...and hopefully our defense can negate the punting situation and the offense can score TDs instead of relying on Suisham.

We are a better team now than last year already.

I hope we can get Dockery somehow now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531007]I'm 100% not in favor of this move. History shows that these type of moves rarely pan out. Haynesworth has already played 7 years and has a history of getting hurt and has questionable character. The only good thing about this is that we didn't have to give up draft picks. Another bad move by the FO.[/quote]

7 years isn't that long. The guy is what, 28 years old. I know stuff like this doesn't always pan out but I think we are over due for something to actually
work out for us. Again, he will be double teamed which will help out Grif,JT and Carter. Not to mention less stress on our CB's

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Talks with Dockery are expected to continue but no visits have been scheduled.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;531011]To me, the fact that we were able to do this while keeping Cornelius Griffin is huge. Griffin is capable of having a big season himself. Teams doubling Haynesworth should give Griifin, as well as the DE's, more opportunity to make big plays.[/quote]

Absolutely.

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[quote=Buster;531019]And McNabb and Eli too. :)

[B]I love the signing because, for a few years we'll all seen and complained how the D-Line is our biggest hole, especially the DTs. We can no longer say it is a weakness[/B].

If our O-line can stay healthy or we upgrade it with the draft, we're a rock solid team everywhere except kicker/punter...and hopefully our defense can negate the punting situation and the offense can score TDs instead of relying on Suisham.

[B]We are a better team now than last year already.[/B]

I hope we can get Dockery somehow now.[/quote]

Absolutely. No doubt about it.

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[quote=RobH4413;530990]You know, When I heard about the deal, I was absolutely shocked. I started texting family and telling them how pissed I was about all this money being spent...

But in all honesty... This is exactly what we've needed for years. We found our answer to Brandon Jacobs. We have exactly the player that this line has been lacking. We have two DE's that have consistently made QB's step into the pocket, but have always lacked the penetrating DT's to collapse it. Enter AH.

This will instantly make our defense top 3. I think this is the perfect player for this team, and if your going to get the perfect player, you've got to pay perfect player money.




I'm officially on the AH bandwagon.[/quote]

since our D was top 4 last year, i'd hope it'd make us top 3 this year ;)

though i expect sacks and our own points per game will increase (as a result of turnovers).

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I do like french fries....

Now look, I think most people on here are going to agree; I didnt really read through most posts right now cause I'm at work, so if this has already been said (which I'm sure it has..so be it)...

I mean none of my opinion on this move has to do with my thoughts on Albert Haynesworth as a player...because he is a great, dominant player...the Washington Redskins are going to be a much better defense with him in there, thats not even debatable...

However, the fact of the matter is this...we had a really good defense last year.. .and a really really bad offense last year.. I dont understand why we just threw 150 million dollars into our defense overnight (just looking at contract totals).. and we are basically left with nothing to do to address the offense...

I really want Dockery to come back here, but I think we probaboly dont have the room to make this move at this point. 100 Million dollars is just insane for almost any NFL player... As Redskins fans we should be praying there is no cap after 2010 (as a football fan I hope the cap doesnt go away)...

I dont know, I'm very happy Albert Haynesworth is part of this team, but at this price it is just too much. I think were morgating too much to have him here, and I think its going to hurt us in the long run, I really do.

However, welcome to D.C, Albert. Glad to have you here.

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Didn't the Titans give up the 2nd fewest points in the NFL last year?

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;530899]Jesus.[/quote]

Can we sign him too?

I'm cool with the move and the money. You've got to pay the cost if you want elite players and you don't draft worth a crap. If we're able to draft Orapko (which I think is doubtful if we don't sign a RT in free agency) then we could have a scary-good defense. London Fletcher is the happiest guy on the team right now, that's for sure.

It didn't really solve our biggest issues, RT, LG, K, PR, P, LB but maybe the plan is to win games 17-16.

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[quote=Buster;531019]And McNabb and Eli too. :)

I love the signing because, for a few years we'll all seen and complained how the D-Line is our biggest hole, especially the DTs. We can no longer say it is a weakness.

If our O-line can stay healthy or we upgrade it with the draft, we're a rock solid team everywhere except kicker/punter...and hopefully our defense can negate the punting situation and the offense can score TDs instead of relying on Suisham.

We are a better team now than last year already.

I hope we can get Dockery somehow now.[/quote]

I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.

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LOVE the player, HATE the money. BUT, it seems to be a fair market kind of deal. From the initial info available, this is the kind of loot John Clayton had called for all week.
It is a [COLOR="Red"]lot of guaranteed money [/COLOR]between Hall And Haynesworth...60m++

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[quote=53Fan;531022]Talks with Dockery are expected to continue but no visits have been scheduled.[/quote]

Would he even need to visit to get a deal done? He's very fimiliar with the area & team, so I dont really know if he would have to come in to have it done...

I really hope we get Dock back.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;531021]7 years isn't that long. The guy is what, 28 years old. I know stuff like this doesn't always pan out but I think we are over due for something to actually
work out for us. Again, he will be double teamed which will help out Grif,JT and Carter. Not to mention less stress on our CB's[/quote]

Right now he's 27. But how many more years does he have playing at the level he currenntly plays at? I don't think AH is the type of guy that keeps himself in shape. He's the type that needs to be motivated. If I'm paying a guy that much I'm not going to ever have to worry about character/fitness issues.

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Haynesworth, wow. I'm happy and scared at the same time. So whats our next move?

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[quote=Gmanc711;531036]Would he even need to visit to get a deal done? He's very fimiliar with the area & team, so I dont really know if he would have to come in to have it done...

[B]I really hope we get Dock back[/B].[/quote]

Me too. He has a home here. I think a visit would just be a formality.

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Getting Haynesworth is exactly what this defense needs. Get rid of Springs and Taylor, pick up Dockery for cheap money (was never really impressed with Dockery...over rated) and draft an offensive lineman with our 1st pick.
Hopefully, this will shore up our offensive line, with the addition of Dockery and a top draft pick and give JC the protection that he needs to hopefully be the QB that everybody seems to think he is (me?...not!).
This is probably the last year that the salary cap will be in place and The Little Danny and Vinny know this, hence, the big bucks. As much as I dislike our owner and sidekick, this was a very good move on their part.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;531041]Getting Haynesworth is exactly what this defense needs. Get rid of Springs and Taylor, pick up Dockery for cheap money (was never really impressed with Dockery...over rated) and draft an offensive lineman with our 1st pick.
Hopefully, this will shore up our offensive line, with the addition of Dockery and a top draft pick and give JC the protection that he needs to hopefully be the QB that everybody seems to think he is (me?...not!).
This is probably the last year that the salary cap will be in place and The Little Danny and Vinny know this, hence, the big bucks. As much as I dislike our owner and sidekick, this was a very good move on their part.[/quote]

Its times like these where it pays to have a owner like Snyder. Especially next season.

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Dana Stubblefield?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;530942]I don't think Taylor will be here. With the AH and Hall signings JT will probably be released along with Springs. I also think we will make some sort of upgrade at LB. Once we get throught he weekend and the dust settles then we'll have a clearer picture.[/quote]

My thoughts are the same. Mike Mayock has USC LB Rey Maulamuna going 13 in the draft. He's known for getting to the QB. We have to rotate the LB's during the game and this guy may fit into the scheme.

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Look at the past teams that picked up big name free agents the last few years. Cleveland spent a ton of money last year and didn't make the playoffs. Shawn Rogers was a bust. What about the Jets? They spent a ton of money and didn't make the playoffs. What abou the year before? SF spent a lot of money and never made the playoffs. Just cause you bring in a talented player doesn't automatically mean that the player will play well in his new system. AH only knows Tenn's defense and their system. Perhaps he doesn't fit well with what Blache and co does. As I said, history shows it doesn't work.

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[quote=44ever;531039]Haynesworth, wow. I'm happy and scared at the same time. So whats our next move?[/quote]
THAT sums it up! I won't queer the deal by elaborating, but...yes, that's it!

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[quote=44ever;531039]Haynesworth, wow. I'm happy and scared at the same time. So whats our next move?[/quote]

Get Dockery signed. Let Pete Kendall and Springs go. Then draft either Rey Malumuna or Brian Okrapo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531048]Look at the past teams that picked up big name free agents the last few years. Cleveland spent a ton of money last year and didn't make the playoffs. Shawn Rogers was a bust. What about the Jets? They spent a ton of money and didn't make the playoffs. What abou the year before? SF spent a lot of money and never made the playoffs. Just cause you bring in a talented player doesn't automatically mean that the player will play well in his new system. AH only knows Tenn's defense and their system. Perhaps he doesn't fit well with what Blache and co does. As I said, history shows it doesn't work.[/quote]

Kris Jenkins was a beast for the Jets so I blame the offense for the Jets not reaching the playoffs. But overall, no free-agent has dominated the way Haynesworth has for the last two years.

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We will totally regret this signing - WAY more downside than updside. Here's my reasons:

1) Too much $$. That is Peyton Manning money and you can't tell me that Fat Albert (who will probably participate in only about 60% of the snaps) is worth that.

2) His old team and Detroit (new HC is old DC at Titans) did not go after him aggressively at all. They obviously know he's NOT worth the money.

3) He's hurt. A lot.

4) He's got no motivation to perform - and has shown to be a player that needs motivation to perform.

5) The Titans' system was designed to collapse the pocket from the outside via speed rushing DE's and force the QB to step up into Fat Albert's path. I think we'll find out that this HUGELY inflated his numbers.

6) Not a high-character guy. (Neither is DeAngelo Hall who we just blew another rediculous wad of money on). This is the anti-Gibbs philosophy. How many perennial SB contenders do you see with character issue guys? Patriots? Steelers? Bad for team chemistry.

7) I guarantee you that in 2-3 years we're going to have a situation where we'll have to re-wicker his contract and it's going to be a media mess with trash-talking, holdouts, etc...

8) At this price, short of a repeat of what he did last year - it will be a complete DISASTER.

9) Cut & Paste all of these comments for MeAngelo Hall as well.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;531053]We will totally regret this signing - WAY more downside than updside. Here's my reasons:

1) Too much $$. That is Peyton Manning money and you can't tell me that Fat Albert (who will probably participate in only about 60% of the snaps) is worth that.

2) His old team and Detroit (new HC is old DC at Titans) did not go after him aggressively at all. They obviously know he's NOT worth the money.

3) He's hurt. A lot.

4) He's got no motivation to perform - and has shown to be a player that needs motivation to perform.

5) The Titans' system was designed to collapse the pocket from the outside via speed rushing DE's and force the QB to step up into Fat Albert's path. I think we'll find out that this HUGELY inflated his numbers.

6) Not a high-character guy. (Neither is DeAngelo Hall who we just blew another rediculous wad of money on). This is the anti-Gibbs philosophy. How many perennial SB contenders do you see with character issue guys? Patriots? Steelers? Bad for team chemistry.

7) I guarantee you that in 2-3 years we're going to have a situation where we'll have to re-wicker his contract and it's going to be a media mess with trash-talking, holdouts, etc...

8) At this price, short of a repeat of what he did last year - it will be a complete DISASTER.

9) Cut & Paste all of these comments for MeAngelo Hall as well.[/quote]

Oh God....here we go.

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[quote=SUNRA;531050]Get Dockery signed. Let Pete Kendall and Springs go. Then draft either Rey Malumuna or Brian Okrapo.[/quote]

Why does everyone have a hard-on for Dockery? He was average at best when he was here and we GLADLY let him go to the Bills for big money.... where he subsequently sucked horribly and they cut him.

We want him back WHY? I mean, for a very, very low salary - fine. But no way should we overpay for him. Kendall is 100 x better.

I hate to see Springs go, but there's just not $$ for him. Sucks to see us replace one of the top cover guys in the league (Springs) with one of the worst (MeAngelo) - but hopefully Fat Albert will get to the QB before they realize that MeAngelo's guy is wide open in the endzone...

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I'm cautiously optimistic about this deal. I mean, we've seen it before. The Redskins go out and sign big names with little to no return. Make no mistake, I like both players on this defense (the DEs, LBs and DBs all just got better by adding AH) but we've been burned before. If this yields a perennial Superbowl contender and ultimately a Championship then great. If not, we're still just fans of the most frivilous sports team in America. I'm happy with the deal, but I want results (I know we all do). We've suffered long enough...it's time for a return to glory!

Hopefully they get cracking on that offensive line! Bring back Dock!!

I appreciate those who ensured this was posted as soon as the news broke...I tend to look here before I log onto any other sites as the Warpath always has info from credible sources.

HAIL!!

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;531056]Oh God....here we go.[/quote]

Soul-Skins: I hope I'm wrong. I really do. But this one doesn't smell like a good deal...

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;531045]Dana Stubblefield?[/quote]

Man don't even whisper that. He better not Stubb. Thats went through my mind a time or two. :doh:

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[quote=skinsfan69;531048]Look at the past teams that picked up big name free agents the last few years. Cleveland spent a ton of money last year and didn't make the playoffs. Shawn Rogers was a bust. What about the Jets? They spent a ton of money and didn't make the playoffs. What abou the year before? SF spent a lot of money and never made the playoffs. Just cause you bring in a talented player doesn't automatically mean that the player will play well in his new system. AH only knows Tenn's defense and their system. Perhaps he doesn't fit well with what Blache and co does. As I said, history shows it doesn't work.[/quote]
Nothing is guaranteed but he is the best player available at our weakest position on defense.
New system? Blache is still using Gregg Williams defensive scheme that was carried over from Tennesee. The Titans still run basically the same scheme (Gregg Williams) that Haynesworth has excelled in for the last 7 years, so I don't see a problem with him "fitting in".
Like I said, nothing is guaranteed but this was a very good move by the Little Danny and his sidekick Vinny.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;531063]Nothing is guaranteed but he is the best player available at our weakest position on defense.
New system? Blache is still using Gregg Williams defensive scheme that was carried over from Tennesee. The Titans still run basically the same scheme (Gregg Williams) that Haynesworth has excelled in for the last 7 years, so I don't see a problem with him "fitting in".
Like I said, nothing is guaranteed but this was a very good move by the Little Danny and his sidekick Vinny.[/quote]

Might be time to change your sig Crab:) I hope.