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Both of those jokers were terrible. We need a tackle not a crapshoot.

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WE need a young and healthy O line damn it!!!!!!! Bradford has bust written all over him. McCoy might be servicable, but he will be like his predecessor, an over hyped bust.

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I say we load up on O lineman this year, then Ryan Mallett next year, we will probably be back at the top of the draft again in 2011 anyway..Cause this mess is not going to be an easy fix.

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[quote=Ruhskins;611098]Ah, the Snyder bandwagon. I'm on the "draft a fucking lineman" bandwagon.[/quote]

Got room for one more? :woot: Russell Okung of Oklahoma State would be a good place to start.

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[quote=Zerohero;609824]He is not an NFL qb.[/quote]

I've come to that realization myself. I thought he was the answer, but he's not, neither is Tebow. I say we sign Kevin Kolb, or David Carr.

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Guys, we can build an O-line through free agency. We can get 3 all pros for the price of one overrated Haynesworth.

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[quote=Ruhskins;611022]Wow, big change of philosophy from your "I want to team to lose so we can pick up Tim Tebow/McCoy/or any other QB" days. Kudos.[/quote]

Well it looked like I didn't need to wish on us losing cause we seem to be doing that just fine. And the guy you seem to be behind got benched, so ya you can definitley add QB to the list of things to get in the offseason, and to protect whoever is back there we need OL first thats why I said the names I said.

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We don't need to spend a high draft pick on a QB. Lets start on the O-Line and a late round pick on a up and coming RB to replace Portis. We can also sign a free agent QB or keep both Collins and JC for 1 more season.

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You guys think JC would sign a 1 yr deal? noway. im sure he has had enough of the Skins at this point.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;609859]I was listening to the game (It was on the house, I'm not into college sports) and I kept hearing something about Bradford re-injuring his shoulder. Shouldn't that be red flags to NOT draft this kid? A few years taking shots in at the pro level and that dude's career is done.[/quote]

If it heals like Drew Brees' shoulder, I'd take him;)

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[quote=WaldSkins;611477]Do you think Skelton would slide to the second round?[/quote]

Definitely

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[quote=Kalisto2010;611547]Guys, we can build an O-line through free agency. We can get 3 all pros for the price of one overrated Haynesworth.[/quote]


Couple of things:

1. Haynesworth is here and isn't going anywhere for at least 4 years
2. He isn't overrated. He was and is the most dominant force on the defensive line in the NFL
3. 12 million a year for this guy really isn't that bad. Think if you were paying Julius Peppers 18 million to loaf for 3 of the first 4 games of the season
4. The Haynesworth signing hurts Dallas because Ware is going to want even more
5. You are calling for Free Agency moves? Isn't that what got us here to begin with?

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I know he's not going to be available in this upcoming draft class but Tyrod Taylor is my 1st overall pick in 2011. My preferred Redskins recovery plan goes something like, retain JC for another season, utilize the picks in the next draft to procure as many Olinemen as possible and draft Tyrod Taylor to be the next franchise QB.

Easier said than done, I know, but its a launching point.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;611472]Wasn't Joey T a ND QB?[/quote]

So was Montana!

Re: Texas vs. Oklahoma: Scouting our next QB?
 

[quote=Che's Revolt;611757]I know he's not going to be available in this upcoming draft class but Tyrod Taylor is my 1st overall pick in 2011. My preferred Redskins recovery plan goes something like, retain JC for another season, utilize the picks in the next draft to procure as many Olinemen as possible and draft Tyrod Taylor to be the next franchise QB.

Easier said than done, I know, but its a launching point.[/quote]

Sorry, i mean this respectably, but are you kidding about Tyrod Taylor? The guy is not a good passer. He'd be about 10 times worse than JC. He's not the best passer in the ACC. There was a serious discussion the other day on radio whether he was better than Jameel Sewell at VA. He is but not by much.

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We'll have a high first round pick, hopefully Top 5...so take Russell Okung or Trent Williams. If McCoy drops to the late first round...trade up to get him. He has adequate physical skills, is a proven leader and has the one thing this team needs in a Franchise signal caller...HEART!!! McCoy was hit almost 20 times in the OK game but kept fighting (even though his OL was outmatched by one of the best DL in the country and their future top 5 DT).

The best OT prospect and Colt McCoy would be an ideal scenario!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;609843]LT needs to be our first pick, not QB unless Clausen is there.[/quote]

I think I'm on the Clausen bandwagon too. Not saying we should go QB but he's impressive IMO. I thought the same of Quinn though. I'll shut up now.

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[quote=redsk1;612053]I think I'm on the Clausen bandwagon too. Not saying we should go QB but he's impressive IMO. I thought the same of Quinn though. I'll shut up now.[/quote]

Clausen is very impressive. I've been watching him very closely this season and he's made a lot of big time throws. As you hinted though, you can never tell until you actually see the guy suit up on the next level. I'm sure the Skins will be looking at him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;611660]Definitely[/quote]

Where do they project him going?

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[quote=WaldSkins;612221]Where do they project him going?[/quote]

I don't really know, quite honestly.

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My problems with Clausen are the same problems I had with Stafford. It's not that they're not NFL caliber players, it's that they're not great college decision makers and that their NFL upside is somewhere around what Jason Campbell already is, and if THIS organization goes down that road, it's going to end up exactly the same way.

Now, this appears to be a very deep class of college signal callers, and if you're willing to sit on a guy in the middle of the second round and pour your resources into the developmental end of the college QB equation, you can draft a guy who can take his lumps behind a young, improving OL. And if that guy is Clausen, good, I'm an ND fan, and he's an easy guy to root for. I think the main thing is to avoid the allure of a QB with a top ten pick, which we may or may not have.

You'd be better off with another safety.

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[quote=SmootSmack;612225]I don't really know, quite honestly.[/quote]

I'm going to go to the Bucknell game so I guess i'll get to see myself how good he really is.

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[quote=WaldSkins;612261]I'm going to go to the Bucknell game so I guess i'll get to see myself how good he really is.[/quote]

Sweet. Looking forward to hearing your feedback

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Honestly, I'm not to keen on drafting another QB. What this team needs is a veteran player who can come in and lead this offense and do it well.

Having said that, gun to my head I'd have to go with Colt. As we've seen this year with Bradford, he seems very fragile. I'd hate to draft Bradford in the first round, pay a ton of money, then have him injured every season.

Colt, in my opinion, has the skills and talent needed at the NFL level and isn't just a glorified TE/RB behind a good O-Line. If we do decide to go the route of the rookie QB, I think he needs to sit on the bench for a year until we get this O-Line problem under control. Personally, I'd like to wait it out a year, draft some O-Line players and worry about the QB problem in next year's draft.

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[quote=PortimusPrime;612278]Honestly, I'm not to keen on drafting another QB. What this team needs is a veteran player who can come in and lead this offense and do it well.

Having said that, gun to my head I'd have to go with Colt. As we've seen this year with Bradford, he seems very fragile. I'd hate to draft Bradford in the first round, pay a ton of money, then have him injured every season.

Colt, in my opinion, has the skills and talent needed at the NFL level and isn't just a glorified TE/RB behind a good O-Line. If we do decide to go the route of the rookie QB, I think he needs to sit on the bench for a year until we get this O-Line problem under control. Personally, I'd like to wait it out a year, draft some O-Line players and worry about the QB problem in next year's draft.[/quote]

1.) Which veteran do think is going to be available for us to bring in?

2.) I love the name, welcome to the warpath

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[quote=WaldSkins;612291]1.) Which veteran do think is going to be available for us to bring in?

2.) I love the name, welcome to the warpath[/quote]

Thanks, I had an avatar to go with it but can't use custom ones to my knowledge.

Honestly, at this point I wouldn't be apposed to bringing Garcia in for the remainder of the year. Anything is better at this point.

You bring up a good point, the FA QB listings will probably be slim but I think we should look at other options before going to the rookie.

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Whats the deal with Bradford's injury? The way I've seen it described it's like his career is over. I mean it's great if we can draft him at around 8 but the way I see it is he just came back from a simple injury to fast and now he needs surgery to fix it. Still the guys are comparing him to Willis McGahee when he came out, talking about insurance policies and falling draft stock.

The funny thing is with situations like this is I've learned to split the difference when it comes to projecting these players draft projections. For example Andre Smith was considered a top 3 pick at one point. Then his workouts came and he was projected to be a late mid first round. Turns out he ends up as the 6th pick overall. So in short even if Bradford is projected to go late in the first right now I still believe that someone will draft him early. I'm obviously hoping that team is us at this point because like the guys on MNF said. Part of the reason we have trouble competing in the NFC East is a lack of stability at the QB position.

In the end we really need to find a way to fix both that, our O-Line, and in turn our running game.

[quote=GTripp0012;612231]My problems with Clausen are the same problems I had with Stafford. It's not that they're not NFL caliber players, it's that they're not great college decision makers and that their NFL upside is somewhere around what Jason Campbell already is, and if THIS organization goes down that road, it's going to end up exactly the same way.

Now, this appears to be a very deep class of college signal callers, and if you're willing to sit on a guy in the middle of the second round and pour your resources into the developmental end of the college QB equation, you can draft a guy who can take his lumps behind a young, improving OL. And if that guy is Clausen, good, I'm an ND fan, and he's an easy guy to root for. I think the main thing is to avoid the allure of a QB with a top ten pick, which we may or may not have.

You'd be better off with another safety.[/quote]


I don't know why but I just don't like Clausen right now. He doesn't seem to have the down to earth personality that you see in the Big 3 right now (McCoy, Tebow, Bradford).

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I'll say it again, eff a QB! That's all you're doing anyway by bringing one in here. Look at Ramsey. Look at Brunell. Soup is looking more and more like Brunell everyday. He limps around like Brunell. He has to throw balls away like Brunell. He can't run like Brunell. Do you guys detect a trend here? If you want to eff a perfectly good QB, draft one and put him behind this line.

"All we need is one QB and a good WR. That will take us to the promised land". Y'all sound like Al Snyderato.

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colt mccoy will not be a good nfl qb. just dont think he translates well to a pro system. bradford is a better fit for one, but still not convinced about him in the pros either. as far as im concerned jimmy clausen is the best fit for a pro style offense though he wont come out. he and max hall. maybe lefevour

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[quote=SmootSmack;612266]Sweet. Looking forward to hearing your feedback[/quote]

Hey SS can you change the name of this thread to, "Which New Punching Bag Do You Think Will Fit Behind the Skins' Maginot Line?"

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;617089]I'll say it again, eff a QB! That's all you're doing anyway by bringing one in here. Look at Ramsey. Look at Brunell. Soup is looking more and more like Brunell everyday. He limps around like Brunell. He has to throw balls away like Brunell. He can't run like Brunell. Do you guys detect a trend here? If you want to eff a perfectly good QB, draft one and put him behind this line.

"All we need is one QB and a good WR. That will take us to the promised land". Y'all sound like Al Snyderato.[/quote]

Agree 100%

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[quote=SmootSmack;612266]Sweet. Looking forward to hearing your feedback[/quote]

Smootsmack, do you know anything about how Clausen is off the field. For some reason I keep getting this vibe from him that I can only explain as the polar opposite of Matt Ryan. Maybe I'm wrong but for some reason I feel uneasy about him from a character standpoint. Let it be known that I have nothing to back this up.

Re: Texas vs. Oklahoma: Scouting our next QB?
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;617089]I'll say it again, eff a QB! That's all you're doing anyway by bringing one in here. Look at Ramsey. Look at Brunell. Soup is looking more and more like Brunell everyday. He limps around like Brunell. He has to throw balls away like Brunell. He can't run like Brunell. Do you guys detect a trend here? If you want to eff a perfectly good QB, draft one and put him behind this line.

"All we need is one QB and a good WR. That will take us to the promised land". Y'all sound like Al Snyderato.[/quote]

yes yes yes yes, if we draft another qb before we get a new solid left tackle it just shows we are on the same path we have been on for a while which isn't a good one, sometimes you need to address your teams needs and not go after the sexy picks, like the texans did with wiliiams that worked out for them and now they have slayton

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[quote=mlmdub130;620200]yes yes yes yes, if we draft another qb before we get a new solid left tackle it just shows we are on the same path we have been on for a while which isn't a good one, sometimes you need to address your teams needs and not go after the sexy picks, like the texans did with wiliiams that worked out for them and now they have slayton[/quote]

The draft really should be about selecting BPA but you do that by either

A. Drafting well in previous years
or
B. Shoring up positions of need through free agency.

Last year we didn't do either of these and even though the signing of Derrick Dockery was a good start, we stopped there. As I've said before I've never opposed the drafting of Orakpo however the guys we drafted after Orakpo were more then enough to make my head spin. A CB, 2 LB's, a WR, and a FB. Vinny's willing to hedge his bets on pass catchers, DE's, and LB's but when it comes to OL he avoids them like the plague. Sure he shows up to their pro days but thats about as close as he comes to selecting offensive lineman.

I personally would be more then willing to take the Falcons approach in that we take the QB first and then either move up to take a first round tackle or at the very least wait and see whos there in the second. Of course we could even use that pick to pry away a young free agent who won't be available thanks to the current state of the CBA. Marcus McNeil comes to mind but I don't think you can pry him away with a 2nd round pick.

I know that I myself would be in heaven if we found a way to bring in a top 10 1st round QB, Marcus McNeil (LT,25), Jahari Evans (OG, 26), Jeremy Trueblood (RT, 26), and Kevin Mawae (C, 33). Of course at that point I might just be as guilty as our owner when it comes to competently building a team. Still I can dream.

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i am totally against the whole best player avail bs that everyone talks about basically with that you are saying if colt mccoy is available then the saints should draft him rather than a position they need, becuase he is the best player avail? don't think so, that rule only works when you have teams that are terrible and having one good player makes a splash but doesn't always work, like quinn, jackson, russell, just to name a few

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[quote=mlmdub130;620206]i am totally against the whole best player avail bs that everyone talks about basically with that you are saying if colt mccoy is available then the saints should draft him rather than a position they need, becuase he is the best player avail? don't think so, that rule only works when you have teams that are terrible and having one good player makes a splash but doesn't always work, like quinn, jackson, russell, just to name a few[/quote]

I think it was Rich McKay that used to talk about how when he was a GM they would almost always go for BPA. However in the process they would rule out certain positions, at least until certain points in the draft. So in the Saints example you would go into your meeting and say "alright, if we do end up drafting a QB it won't be until after the third round, if that."

I personally believe that BPA should be used in combination with selecting a need. However you should always try to supplement with free agency to avoid passing up a quality young player. Still if you have a position of need and a position thats not so pressing at the moment then I think it would be foolish to select that latter player assuming there was a rating difference of only 2 or 3 points. Still Vinny talks about how for the most part they will take the top rated player regardless, and to me that's part of the problem with our front office. That and our allergies towards selecting offensive lineman.

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i agree with you but you have to admit we do have a pressing issue with o line and need to draft an oline man over anyone in the upcoming draft, in my opinion, which isn't worth much

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Skins would be just fine with Bradford, but i think they will go after Brady Quinn instead

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[quote=Wildcat;620217]Skins would be just fine with Bradford, but i think they will go after Brady Quinn instead[/quote]

brady quinn=bust, but i could see us shipping our picks some where else i just hope it's for an o lineman

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[quote=WaldSkins;612261]I'm going to go to the Bucknell game so I guess i'll get to see myself how good he really is.[/quote]

So what did you think?