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[quote=Mattyk;664463]I wouldn't mind keeping Heyer around as a backup. Not sure he's cut out for guard.[/quote]

id think heyer is too tall to play guard. i couldnt see a qb getting a good look down the field with a 6'5 (?) heyer standing there in the middle.

every time i see him on our sideline he stands out as the tallest skins player.

30gut - your right, i forgot he was injured all year. good find

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Dockery is also 6'6 so I don't think height alone is the issue. Heyer's build is that of a classic tackle. Long arms and a lanky type of build (at least when compared to your typical guard). Power isn't his game either.

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If the skins decide to draft a QB with the 4th pick, then I would say sign Stephen Neal from the Pats (he's 33 but can play for 1 or 2 years) the other guy I would target is Hochenstein from the Broncos who also played for the Pats. Keep Rabach as an experienced backup along with Mike Williams, Rinehart.

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dang dock is 6'6? i didnt go to a game this year so i didnt get a good look at our guys in person. years past heyer was always noticably the tallest.

well i thought you wanted guards to not be so tall since they block in the middle part of the pocket. i figured a tall guard would maybe diminish some of the qbs view of the field. i thought tackles could be taller b/c they work on the outside and need longer arms to keep pass rushers from getting into the inside leverage of a tackle.

guess i was wrong about that guard thing. gallery seems like a tall mofo too and i dont remember any complaints about his height when he moved to guard.

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Just as I suspected (by reading these posts), just about every FA offensive lineman that we could get (UFAs) are over the age of 30. While a number of them could play very well and would be huge upgrades over our current players, I think by filling all of the holes in the line with 30+ year old lineman, you're at risk of having injured starters.

I just feel that we've been gambling on patching up the line with older players for a while now. And the downside of this year is that we aren't able to pick up a marquee lineman in his mid to late 20s (i.e. Marcus McNeill) because RFA rules due to the uncapped season, without giving up draft picks.

It seems like everyone wants to get young at every position except the line (see the Jamal Lewis and Chester Taylor threads).

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[quote=Ruhskins;664538]Just as I suspected (by reading these posts), just about every FA offensive lineman that we could get (UFAs) are over the age of 30. While a number of them could play very well and would be huge upgrades over our current players, I think by filling all of the holes in the line with 30+ year old lineman, you're at risk of having injured starters.

I just feel that we've been gambling on patching up the line with older players for a while now. And the downside of this year is that we aren't able to pick up a marquee lineman in his mid to late 20s (i.e. Marcus McNeill) because RFA rules due to the uncapped season, without giving up draft picks.[/quote]

Well, they definitely need to address the line in the draft but I just don't see a downside in bringing in Mawae. He is a leader on and off the field, he is still considered an All-pro, he just blocked for a 2000 yard rusher, he would absolutely be an upgrade over Rabach, and he could demonstrate to all of the lineman what it takes to be a pro.

I hear all of this stuff about 2-3 year rebuilding and I think it is bs. I think in an uncapped year they can make enough moves to get this team in the playoffs. They fixed the D-line in one year, they can fix the o-line in one year.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;664544]Well, they definitely need to address the line in the draft but I just don't see a downside in bringing in Mawae. He is a leader on and off the field, he is still considered an All-pro, he just blocked for a 2000 yard rusher, he would absolutely be an upgrade over Rabach, and he could demonstrate to all of the lineman what it takes to be a pro.

I hear all of this stuff about 2-3 year rebuilding and I think it is bs. I think in an uncapped year they can make enough moves to get this team in the playoffs. They fixed the D-line in one year, they can fix the o-line in one year.[/quote]

As I said, a lot of these guys would be upgrades, but still because of their age you risk injury. I mean, injuries happen, but due to RFA restrictions, it seems that we would need to fill all of our needs with linemen in their 30s. I would feel better if we could go after a Marcus McNeill in free agency (without having to give up draft picks).

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[quote=Ruhskins;664546]As I said, a lot of these guys would be upgrades, but still because of their age you risk injury. I mean, injuries happen, but due to RFA restrictions, it seems that we would need to fill all of our needs with linemen in their 30s. I would feel better if we could go after a Marcus McNeill in free agency (without having to give up draft picks).[/quote]


Injuries are a wild-card, especially on the line. I think it is just as likely that McNeill gets hurt as Mawae. Heyer is one of our youngest guys and he was hurt all year.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;664544]Well, they definitely need to address the line in the draft but I just don't see a downside in bringing in Mawae. He is a leader on and off the field, he is still considered an All-pro, he just blocked for a 2000 yard rusher, he would absolutely be an upgrade over Rabach, and he could demonstrate to all of the lineman what it takes to be a pro.

[B]I hear all of this stuff about 2-3 year rebuilding and I think it is bs[/B]. I think in an uncapped year they can make enough moves to get this team in the playoffs. They fixed the D-line in one year, they can fix the o-line in one year.[/quote]

I'm not buying it either. Is anyone really going to give MS a pass for another crap season in 2010? I want to see a strong indication that things are headed in the right direction right away in 2010, I'll be expecting .500 or better.

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I would prefer:

LT: Russel Okung
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Casey Rabach (We surround him with talent)
RG: Stephen Neal (Free Agency)
RT: Levi Jones

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[quote=redskin4n;664555]I would prefer:

LT: Russel Okung
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Casey Rabach (We surround him with talent)
RG: Stephen Neal (Free Agency)
RT: Levi Jones[/quote]

This sounds great, except for having Edwin Williams under C and Rabach as a backup.

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How come when Heyer doesn't practice it's ok but when Portis doesn't everyone jumps all over him?

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Use the first two picks to draft two Ts.. Draft Okung with #1 pick, then draft Brown with #2 pick (Campbell would be nice but I don't think he would drop that far).. If there are intriguing guards or a center prospects available later in late rounds, I would draft them..

I would try to sign Pasho to push the rookies for either spot.. I definitely would try to sign Mawae as band-aid for a year or maybe two?

I would retain Doc, Edwin Williams, Rabach, Rinehart, and Heyer..

Everybody (except for Doc and Mawae) battles for positions in the camp..

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Yeah, surrounding Rabach with talent won't help him snap in the shotgun or keep him from stupid goalline penalties.

Edwin should start.

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[quote=WaldSkins;664559]How come when Heyer doesn't practice it's ok but when Portis doesn't everyone jumps all over him?[/quote]

You're not serious right? Portis doesn't even practice if he feels phantom menstrual cramps coming on.

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[quote=53Fan;664569]You're not serious right? Portis doesn't even practice if he feels phantom menstrual cramps coming on.[/quote]

Well Portis is possibly a has-been. Heyer is a never been.

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[quote=53Fan;664569]You're not serious right? Portis doesn't even practice if he feels [B]phantom menstrual cramps[/B] coming on.[/quote]

:rofl:

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;664552]Injuries are a wild-card, especially on the line. I think it is just as likely that McNeill gets hurt as Mawae. Heyer is one of our youngest guys and he was hurt all year.[/quote]

Injuries are a wildcard, however it seems that this team goes into every season holding its breath and crossing their fingers hoping that their older talented offensive linemen don't get injured.

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LT: Russel Okung
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Kevin Mawae/ Matt Tennant
RG: Mike Williams/Edwin Williams
RT: Mike Iupati

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or
LT: Levi Jones
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Matt Tennant
RG: Mike Iupati
RT: Bryan Bulaga

Young but Talented

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Do anyone know whether if Shanahan wants to retain Levi Jones? I don't think he's athleticism enough to play block zone, but once again, we are limited with T choices.. Especially if Shanahan really wants to draft a QB with the first pick..

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[quote=Ruhskins;664299]So once again I will create thread on a good subject that I'm sure will get under 30 responses since it doesn't involve Campbell, a rookie QB, or some of the other overused topics people like to debate ad nauseam.

With that being said, here is your challenge. You are the GM (or Shanahan), how do you build the Redskins offensive line? Who do you keep? Who do you cut? Who would you draft? And which free agent would you go after?

Now, no crazy Madden-esque trades. Also, remember if you have an RFA in mind, that means that you trading picks for them (i.e. San Diego's tackle Marcus McNeill). And of course, if someone is under contract, well I say it's not even worth mentioning them.

Oh and don't just answer with the phrase "Shanahan can build an offensive line with just about anyone."[/quote]Damnit Ruhskins, I wasn't even going to worry about discussing real issues until the middle of March. Look what you're doing to my schedule!!!111!!

First of all, I think we have to leverage the 4th overall pick into one of three franchise left tackles. Guys who can actually play the position are in crazy high demand, and if you wait until the second round, you get a guy who might end up being Tony Ugoh or Duane Brown. This seems like the type of player that Bruce Campbell might be. A fringe LT prospect who should make a good RT. But there are also a lot of really interesting RTs in this draft that, once we nail down the LT position (or at least we think we do) opens up the rest of the draft to address other spot on our line at a leisurely pace.

I have Anthony Davis and Russell Okung 1 and 1a at LT on my draft board. I'm more worried about Brian Bulaga at that position. One of the advantages of picking in the top five is that, even if Bulaga is the best prospect, you don't have to worry about taking him that high if the marginal value between him and say, Charles Brown, or my guy Trent Williams, or even linemate Kyle Calloway isn't really all that great.

If it was me, I would take Okung. I can see the allure of Davis, however. He's perhaps more of a natural athlete, even if he's more raw as a lineman. If one's gone, I'd take the other. I don't think either is as good as Michael Oher, but then again, there isn't a pass rusher in this draft as strong as Orakpo.

I'm very skeptical to say that we will pick at 37 in the second round. I think we'll either trade up for a quarterback/defensive stud, or down for a receiver/safety or for value. If we stay there, I like trying to grab an elite interior lineman if Iupati or Pouncey is there, or a very good right tackle prospect if they aren't.

In the 4th round, I would take Matt Tennant if he falls that far, but there's also a good chance that we might use this pick to trade up from the second round back to the bottom of the first. After the fourth round, we're getting into a strict BPA range. Developmental tackles on the cheap are always fun (Sam Young?), but adding a guard tends to offer better long term prospects, particularly if we solidify the tackle situation in the early rounds.

I also want to sign Casey Wiegmann to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal if we don't land Pouncey or Tennant.

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LT: Charles Brown USC(2nd round), Levi Jones
LG: Dockery, Ben Hamilton, Chester Pitts (FA)
C: Matt Tennant (4th round), Ben Hamilton, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger
RG: Chris Kuper, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger, Shelly Smith (7th round pick)
RT: Jason Fox (5th round pick), Stephon Heyer, Tony Pashos

Draft Bradford, If he's gone, get Okung in the first and Maurkice Pouncey in the second, and mitch petrus in the fourth.

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[quote=SmootSmack;664409]Not sure anyone has mentioned him, but Kory Liechtensteiger has a strong chance to make the team and potentially start at C or G[/quote]I had him in there [URL="http://redskinshogheaven.com/"]last night[/URL], but I think he has to make the team before we (myself included, apparently) concern ourselves with having to spell Liechtensteiger. People still struggle with Rinehart. And he's been here for two years.

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[quote=30gut;664412]I've tried to envision a scenario where we upgrade the OL independent of the 4th pick and while i can come up with improvements its only because of how bad the OL was last year.

[B][I]LT-Stephon Heyer[/I][/B]-it would require hope that a healthy Heyer can show the promise he showed at the end of 2008 when he took over the LT spot from an injured Samuels, Heyer played the majority of the season with a knee injury that often prevented him from practicing: Ratng... Serviceable to good,

[B][U]LG-Dockery-Good[/U][/B]

[B][U]C-Edwin Williams[/U][/B]-- I think its time to find out if Edwin Williams is ready to step up, as a rookie UDFA pressed into playing out of position at RG he played well. Maybe moving him to his natural position of Center will make the middle of the OL more stout then its been with Rabach. Rabach is a decent center but he's a FA and he's not strong at the point (and Ratliff owns him twice err!!) On the flip side he could provide veteran leadership on an OL in tranisition-but on the flip side of that why wait to build the OL into a young cohesive unit ready to grow and improve togother starting with the Center?-Rating: Serviceable to good

[U][B]RG-Rinehart[/B][/U] i thought he played well after he was finally placed into the starting line-up after needless handwringing and concern. One thing i never understood was why they let Rinehart get all the reps while Randy Thomas was recovering from his injuries then broke the cohesion by putting Thomas in as the starter when he returned from his injury. But when Thomas was injured again the acted like Rinehart wasn't ready to play and tried playing Montgomery and Williams instead? And imo Rinehart played better then both those guys.

[B][U]RT-2nd round pick[/U][/B] hopefully Bruce Campbell but that's unlikely maybe... Duccase or Charles Brown lasts they could play RT until/if they show they're ready to play LT or they could stat at LT until they show they can't handle it, i would prefer they start at RT then move over, but if there is a run on OT which is likely Ducasse and Brown might not even being around when we pick in the 2nd and don't like hope as a strategy for landing OL via the draft

FA:
[B][U]Tony Pashos[/U][/B] via FA he's cheap and familiar with new OL coach Forester
Pashos could challenge for the RT against a rookie and provide some depth

I think this OL or a similiar OL would be an improvement because they would be young players building cohesion and could grow together and improve with playing experience

But, imo it would be easier and yield greater improvement if we began fixing the OL by solidifying either OT with the 4th pick:

[U][B]LT-Okung / Davis-Good[/B][/U]
[U][B]LG-Dockery-Good[/B][/U]
[U][B]C-Ed Williams-Seriveable to Good[/B][/U]
[U][B]RG-Rinehart-Serviceable to Good[/B][/U]
[U][B]RT-Heyer-Serviceable to Good[/B][/U]

[B][U]Cut/Released/Retired:[/U][/B]

Chris Samuels
Randy Thomas
Casey Rabach
Mike Williams[/quote]



Sorry, I cannot let this one go by...


Heyer is not "servicable to good". Heyer is like your emergency 3rd string QB. When he has to go into the game in the second quarter, the s*hit has already hit the fan and you are downwind.


Edwin Williams did not "play good" at guard. He did not soil himself; he did not embarrass his family. Other than that, you would have to look really hard to come up with positive statements about his play on the line.


Rinehart has never - - as in not ever - - done anything on a Sunday in Washington that would distinguish him from an off-duty piano mover in a Redskins' uniform. MAYBE he will blossom into an offensive guard someday; maybe he will go back to his home and take up needlepoint for a living. So far, the performance on the field in real NFL games on Sundays tends to make me think about the "needlepoint option".


If the Redskins OL for 2010 has E. Williams, Rinehart and Heyer as starters, maybe we need to sign Barry Sanders to play QB - - because the QB will be running for his life for much of the season...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664664]Sorry, I cannot let this one go by...


Heyer is not "servicable to good". Heyer is like your emergency 3rd string QB. When he has to go into the game in the second quarter, the s*hit has already hit the fan and you are downwind.


Edwin Williams did not "play good" at guard. He did not soil himself; he did not embarrass his family. Other than that, you would have to look really hard to come up with positive statements about his play on the line.


Rinehart has never - - as in not ever - - done anything on a Sunday in Washington that would distinguish him from an off-duty piano mover in a Redskins' uniform. MAYBE he will blossom into an offensive guard someday; maybe he will go back to his home and take up needlepoint for a living. So far, the performance on the field in real NFL games on Sundays tends to make me think about the "needlepoint option".


If the Redskins OL for 2010 has E. Williams, Rinehart and Heyer as starters, maybe we need to sign Barry Sanders to play QB - - because the QB will be running for his life for much of the season...[/quote]

:hitfan:

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664664]Sorry, I cannot let this one go by...


Heyer is not "servicable to good". Heyer is like your emergency 3rd string QB. When he has to go into the game in the second quarter, the s*hit has already hit the fan and you are downwind.


Edwin Williams did not "play good" at guard. He did not soil himself; he did not embarrass his family. Other than that, you would have to look really hard to come up with positive statements about his play on the line.


Rinehart has never - - as in not ever - - done anything on a Sunday in Washington that would distinguish him from an off-duty piano mover in a Redskins' uniform. MAYBE he will blossom into an offensive guard someday; maybe he will go back to his home and take up needlepoint for a living. So far, the performance on the field in real NFL games on Sundays tends to make me think about the "needlepoint option".


If the Redskins OL for 2010 has E. Williams, Rinehart and Heyer as starters, maybe we need to sign Barry Sanders to play QB - - because the QB will be running for his life for much of the season...[/quote]

I agree with this post.

Anyone who is placing these guys in our starting lineup for next season is severely underestimating our need for a complete OL overhaul.

It's real, believe it, we actually need 4 completely new solutions for positions on our OL. The only remaining starter being Dockery.

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Well we don't need 5 studs on the line, but it's important to have at least 2.. and 3 guys that can work along with them

We could work with a couple of the pieces that we have, but Dockery seems the most certain vs a lot of questionables otherwise on the line already

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[quote=tryfuhl;664681]Well we don't need 5 studs on the line, but it's important to have at least 2.. and 3 guys that can work along with them

We could work with a couple of the pieces that we have, but Dockery seems the most certain vs a lot of questionables otherwise on the line already[/quote]

Give me this...we need more playable guys on our OL than we'll be able to get this year.

We don't need them all to be Samuels, but we'll need them to not be D'Anthony Baptiste.

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Reading through this thread is sort of like inducing nightmarish flashbacks. Heyer at LT!!! I mean seriously, how is that possible in a billion dollar franchise? HOW I ASK YOU?

...but then you can get to laughing too. Remembering Heyer trying to find a defender at the second level, then making the approach, then watching him remember to try to get back into form to make the block, then missing altogether or falling off balance at the last second (keep in mind that by the time Heyer found someone to block the play was typically over so it resulted in a late hit penalty or just a busted play). This should not happen at the pro level.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;664604]LT: Charles Brown USC(2nd round), Levi Jones
LG: Dockery, Ben Hamilton, Chester Pitts (FA)
C: Matt Tennant (4th round), Ben Hamilton, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger
RG: [B]Chris Kuper[/B], Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger, Shelly Smith (7th round pick)
RT: Jason Fox (5th round pick), Stephon Heyer, Tony Pashos

Draft Bradford, If he's gone, get Okung in the first and Maurkice Pouncey in the second, and mitch petrus in the fourth.[/quote]

So in this scenario, what would you give Denver to get Kuper? He's an RFA, and will likely be tendered by McD.

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[quote=GTripp0012;664603]Damnit Ruhskins, I wasn't even going to worry about discussing real issues until the middle of March. Look what you're doing to my schedule!!!

First of all, I think we have to leverage the 4th overall pick into one of three franchise left tackles. Guys who can actually play the position are in crazy high demand, and if you wait until the second round, you get a guy who might end up being Tony Ugoh or Duane Brown. This seems like the type of player that Bruce Campbell might be. A fringe LT prospect who should make a good RT. But there are also a lot of really interesting RTs in this draft that, once we nail down the LT position (or at least we think we do) opens up the rest of the draft to address other spot on our line at a leisurely pace.

I have Anthony Davis and Russell Okung 1 and 1a at LT on my draft board. I'm more worried about Brian Bulaga at that position. One of the advantages of picking in the top five is that, even if Bulaga is the best prospect, you don't have to worry about taking him that high if the marginal value between him and say, Charles Brown, or my guy Trent Williams, or even linemate Kyle Calloway isn't really all that great.

If it was me, I would take Okung. I can see the allure of Davis, however. He's perhaps more of a natural athlete, even if he's more raw as a lineman. If one's gone, I'd take the other. I don't think either is as good as Michael Oher, but then again, there isn't a pass rusher in this draft as strong as Orakpo.

I'm very skeptical to say that we will pick at 37 in the second round. I think we'll either trade up for a quarterback/defensive stud, or down for a receiver/safety or for value. If we stay there, I like trying to grab an elite interior lineman if Iupati or Pouncey is there, or a very good right tackle prospect if they aren't.

In the 4th round, I would take Matt Tennant if he falls that far, but there's also a good chance that we might use this pick to trade up from the second round back to the bottom of the first. After the fourth round, we're getting into a strict BPA range. Developmental tackles on the cheap are always fun (Sam Young?), but adding a guard tends to offer better long term prospects, particularly if we solidify the tackle situation in the early rounds.

I also want to sign Casey Wiegmann to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal if we don't land Pouncey or Tennant.[/quote]

Sorry for putting you ahead of schedule Tripp. LOL. It's just that I was getting of sick of everyone breaking down the the whole drafting a QB like they were John Clayton, meanwhile when anyone would mention the offensive line the typical response is "oh, Shanhan can build an offensive line with just about anyone."

In regards to your post, when looking at both Okung and Davis, if we drafted Davis could he start at LT right away?

Also, any thoughts on Bruce Campbell? Could he be available later in the first round if we were somehow to trade down from the 4th spot?

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If we opted to trade dockery what would bring for us?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;664700]If we opted to trade dockery what would bring for us?[/quote]

I highly doubt that we would trade the only starter-caliber offensive lineman we have on the team.

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I think Rodger Saffold from Indiana might be a good 4th-5th round choice

Been hearing some talk of Selvish Capers in the 2nd round for the Skins this week. Not sure what to make of that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;664695]So in this scenario, what would you give Denver to get Kuper? He's an RFA, and will likely be tendered by McD.[/quote]

Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.

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We don't need no stinkin linemen !!!!!! :)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;664744]Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_14314460"]From the Denver Post[/URL]'s Mike Klis.

[quote]I believe Kuper will be back. Yes, McDaniels wants to strengthen his offensive interior line. And yes, Kuper, as a right guard, is an interior lineman who was drafted by the Broncos in 2006 as a prototype zone blocker. But Kuper is too young, too talented, too competitive, and even as a restricted free agent, too inexpensive to let go. Chris Kupers are simply too difficult to find to let go.[/quote]

Any marquee RFA is extremely likely to be tendered or signed to a new contract by their team. This is why I criticize the QB-first camp, as much as Shanny can build an offensive line, he's going to have to do it with older and less talented players.

[quote=budw38;664747]We don't need no stinkin linemen !!!!!! :)[/quote]

Nice!

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[quote=Ruhskins;664748][URL="http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_14314460"]From the Denver Post[/URL]'s Mike Klis.



Any marquee RFA is extremely likely to be tendered or signed to a new contract by their team. This is why I criticize the QB-first camp, as much as Shanny can build an offensive line, he's going to have to do it with older and less talented players.



Nice![/quote]
Good morning . I would love for the Skins to sign 2 OL in F/A , and draft two more .... then we would have a shot at contending for the playoffs , I wouldn't bet my next paycheck on that .... but we can always hope for the best !

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With a limited FA pool this year I think a lot of teams are going to hold on to their own guys even if they aren't an ideal fit.