Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

The changes are expected. Players are fighting for their spot on the team/career because the new regime isn't partial to anyone. I have absolutely no doubt this change, taken all by itself, translates into a better football team when the season begins.

I'm waiting to see what else changes. Draft strategy and talent procurement is the kicker IMO. People are taking a lot about drafting QBs. I'll be surprised if we draft on next month...honestly. Our current mix has two guys w/ significant starting experience and a third looking to get his big opportunity. I just read a 2nd hand comment on the team blog about Brennan looking better at his workouts in AZ than any of the rookie QB class. I believe it.

Right now it's still prudent to be pessimistic about the season. We're woefully short on talent on the offensive side of the ball and w/ a change in defensive scheme who knows whether the defense gets better or worse overall. After the draft if Shanny/Allen have found a way to 1) bring in top young talent at LT, RT and RB and 2) rounded out the personnel on defense at LB, DL and FS through acquiring draft picks or relatively young players I think we have every reason to believe this FO has a very sound strategy for success.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;676898]This isn't about insults. This is about how conditioning programs and stuff are run.

So I will assume you've got evidence to prove that Zorn was not keeping the leeway Gibbs gave to his guys?

Campbell says this is nothing he has seen in all his damn time here, and last time I checked, he was drafted in 2005. Zorn probably tried to keep the status quo while trying to learn on the fly how to be a HC, and flaming out in the end.[/quote]


Joe Gibbs 2.0 wasn't anything like the first go around. Doc Walker and Brian Mitchell talked about this a thousand times.

Joe 2.0 was anything but a disciplinarian.

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Money talks, bullshit walks. I have no doubt things are different with a GM finally, but how many regime changes have we had here in the last 11 years? And how many times has the hype machine via the players, etc have said similar things. THe proof is in the pudding. I am not going to get overly excited til we beat Dallas on a regular basis and make the playoffs. This excitement always happens when we have a new regime in charge and we have been left frustrated every time. Many people in here creamed their pants when Gibbs was rehired, and hope was supposedly restored only have it go to shit a few years later. Still can't believe how many people in here fell for the Zorn hire and again creamed their pants. It is nice we aren't breaking the bank via FA, but the jury is still out on if our moves are going to pan out or not. As for JC's commment, what is he supposed to say? Allen sucks and/or the change sucks, or there isn't much of a change? THat will be a nice way of getting in the doghouse and possibly be shipped to a shithole like Cleveland or Tampa Bay.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

Same ol' sound bites, different season.

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I don't think you can say JC is better than SEXY REXY...how many Superbowls has he led his team too? or played in?

On another note, I think the fact that this quote just shows everybody that Zorn wasn't ready to take charge of a franchise. I'm glad somebody with some decent experience has the reigns...no more BS now...either put up or shut up.

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[quote=12thMan;676760]I can guarantee you that Jason Campbell isn't looking over his shoulder at Rex Grossman or anyone else currently on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah, I tried to think about this being a possibility but I can't. In his best year he completed 54% of his passes and barely got over 3,000 yards passing while starting all 16 games, then proceeded to be average in the playoffs en route to the Super Bowl.

And don't give me that winner crap, that has to easily be the most overrated stat in all of all of football, especially given the team nature of the game. I mean Drew Brees was one of the best QB's in the league during 2008, throwing for over 5,000 yards and posting a 96 QB rating, yet the Saints were 8-8. Does that mean that Brees was an average QB that year?

Anyway the point is Grossman seems like a decent backup that knows the system but at this point I'd be much more comfortable with Jason behind center. I will say this though about Grossman, he's got a hell of an arm, especially when he's accurate, unfortunately he's only accurate about half the time.

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You know, things are very simple. When we get an Oline and a receiver or two that can perform like successful professionals, we will have JC performing like a successful professional QB.........
AND if he is NOT the long term answer......there are plenty of em' comin' down the Pike?
like Rockville Pike

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Truth is anyone can have one magical season. Can Grossman prove the naysayers wrong and prove that he's still a starting QB in this league? Of course he can. We've seen that story too many times in the NFL. As a kid I watched Doug Williams leave Tampa Bay, come to D.C. after his career was supposedly over, and get a second life with the Redskins. The rest is history. Jim Plunkett got bounced from the New England Patriots, later released by the 49ers, and landed in Oakland at the age of 33 only to take the Oakland Raiders to two Super Bowls. Craig Morton and Kurt Warner are other names that come to mind. So it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities that Rex Grossman can come here and put it all together.

But let's say, for a minute, that Campbell pulls a hammy at the beginning of the season and has to miss four or five games. I think Rex Grossman is totally capable of going on a four game tear and lighting up the stat column. I'm just not convinced that he can do it for an entire season. I'm glad he's on the roster though because if we do draft Clausen or trade Campbell, I feel comfortable with Grossman being able to step in immediately and running the offense. I just don't see him being able to beat out Campbell in a head-to-head competition.

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^ Nope, Grossman does not seem like he will supplant JC. But you are correct: Rexy has significant starting experience and can take over reasonably well for short stretches. All of that is helpful for making a decent backup. However, over longer periods, Good Rex will make us cheer, while Bad Rex will make us :doh:

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you know what really pisses me off? When people say that he was a disappointment last year. He got a huge contract with a new team. He had an "off" year but so did the entire team.

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Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

This video has been going around the fan base lately. It's made from a clearly bias point of view but it does raise some interesting points.
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ouch haha

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What do you expect him to say? Come on now I am a Skins fan in Detroit. Lions say this type of crap all the time whenever a new regime is installed. Oh it is so different, new, more efficient, blah, blah, blah. It is like a kid with a shiny new toy. Hype city to get the fans way excited so they can fork over the cash in great anticipation about the return to greatness. They did this crap with Spurrier and Gibbs II. Shoot they even got folks creaming their pants with Zorn! I say enough already! Give Coach Shanahan 2-3 years and see what he does, but don't set your expectations sky high from the get go. Shanny and Allen have a major rehaul to do. The Skins are like a nice Shelby Mustang with a lousy 4 cylinder in it and Shanny and Allen are trying to replace it with a .302. It is a big job that will take time, and nobody knows for sure if they will do it yet. I am betting they will, but it will take a good 3 years in my opinion.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;680495]Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.[/quote]


IF JC has a solid season he will find work as a starter somewhere for sure. The QBing in the NFL overall sucks.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;680495]Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.[/quote]

Well lets put it this way, I've had players I've backed no matter what....(cough, Mason, cough) and although I think he looks to have the talent and skills, either the Skins were not a good fit for him or he simply lacked the ability to utilize it when it counted. But my homerism got in the way. I see the same issue with some fans regarding JC. After 5 yrs with marginal improvement across the board I think the owner on down is done with JC. Right now both need each other though. The team needs a QB who can get the job done, if its a Rookie then JC will be expendable, if the Rookie is not ready then JC is the back up plan B until said Rookie is ready. No matter what Grossman is the Vet ready to be put in. Colt and Bartel are the unknowns.

JC needs to have a really good season under a really good system in order to get a good contract. Otherwise teams are going to look at him as a back up and pay him like one. Thats our problem right now, although his stats were kinda good teams have game field and JC just doesn't impress them. Otherwise he would have been traded for a 1st round draft pick by now.

I'm still under the believe that there will be some kinda trade involving JC and draft picks and maybe a player to the Rams in order to move up for Bradford.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;680495]Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.[/quote]

Lest we forget how we got Soup, this from the Wapo and Tracee Hamilton who never met an opionion that she didn't like:

Wash Post side-stepping a great story?
Noticed on Redskins Insider today a brief overview of the Skins picks when in the top 10 of the draft.

Why is the Wash Post and most of the DC sports media sidestepping the greatest irony and bust of past Redskins first round picks -- the fiasco of Gibbs and Snyder giving up 3 picks in 2005 for Jason Campbell (2 of 3 eventually in the probowl, Cutler and Brandon Marshall).

And the irony? The downside of course is that Campbell hasn't come close to the Pro Bowl game unless he bought tickets. And these valuable picks were dealt to the same person that is selecting for the Skins this year, Shanahan.

"Why is the Post afraid of this great story of a 1st round deal gone really bad and its underlying irony?

Thanks, love your columns.

– March 31, 2010 9:35 AM Permalink
A.Tracee Hamilton writes:
Well, you make a good point. That was a lot to give up for Jason Campbell, who is a middle-of-the-pack quarterback, no question. But compared to the guys I mentioned about, Patrick Ramsey and Heath Shuler, he's Peyton Manning. It was a bad move, probably, but they've done worse things with their draft picks.

Heath Shuler. I'll never get over that one."

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^ wow. that puts things into perspective. LOL.

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Ok, as much as I'm unsure about JC the fact of the matter is that we really gave up two picks to draft him. Part of the risk in drafting him was having a much higher pick next year (we were picking 9th overall). In the end it cost us a third rounder, a fourth rounder, and 3 spots in the first round (we would have been 22nd overall in 2006). So in the end the first round pick itself was essentially a wash leaving us spending only two picks to draft a QB a year early, which is usually not a bad idea given the amount of time needed to develop a QB.

Still I'm tired of hearing that we gave up "three picks to select JC." If you count the pick used to select him then sure, but other then that the answer is no.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;680501]This video has been going around the fan base lately. It's made from a clearly bias point of view but it does raise some interesting points.
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It's not that the plays in the video are taken out of context. It's about understanding the way JC plays the game. At the end of the day (and his career) he's nothing more than a rhythm passer. When in a rhythm he makes solid throws and decisions (not superior throws and decisions like Peyton Manning for instance who I also consider a rhythm QB). However, Jason falls out of rhythm early and often, and at that point he becomes almost completely ineffective until somehow his rhythm is reestablished.

I don't have a problem keeping him on the roster. Jason is very tough and basically an average guy back there. However, I have NO DOUBT he will be benched this season at some point. The questions are 1) who will Shanny turn to first, Colt, Rex or someone not yet on the roster and 2) will Jason ever become the starter again?

My hope is Colt gets the first shot, and my gut tells me Jason doesn't start again for the B & G. In fact I'll be surprised if he starts in the NFL ever again after this season.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

lol get real with that video. Anyone could put together a "lowlights" collection of any player in the league.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;680526]What do you expect him to say? Come on now I am a Skins fan in Detroit. Lions say this type of crap all the time whenever a new regime is installed. Oh it is so different, new, more efficient, blah, blah, blah. It is like a kid with a shiny new toy. Hype city to get the fans way excited so they can fork over the cash in great anticipation about the return to greatness. They did this crap with Spurrier and Gibbs II. Shoot they even got folks creaming their pants with Zorn! I say enough already! Give Coach Shanahan 2-3 years and see what he does, but don't set your expectations sky high from the get go. Shanny and Allen have a major rehaul to do. The Skins are like a nice Shelby Mustang with a lousy 4 cylinder in it and Shanny and Allen are trying to replace it with a .302. It is a big job that will take time, and nobody knows for sure if they will do it yet. I am betting they will, but it will take a good 3 years in my opinion.[/quote]

well the interesting thing is that they're actually mentioning specifics.. and we haven't even held a mini-camp yet...

yeah change could take a few years but the foundation has to go in before you build the house

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[quote=Dirtbag359;680501]This video has been going around the fan base lately. It's made from a clearly bias point of view but it does raise some interesting points.
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Yawn, you can find mistakes in key situations with any QB. We saw them from Favre (in NFC Championship), Manning in the Super Bowl, Brady in the regular season (particularly against Colts)...yawn.

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Look, these guys are horrible...glad we didn't draft these bums:

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haha funny video by dirtbag...its almost like if you show only lowlights of a quarterback behind easily the worst offensive line in the league and insert sarcastic phrasing ahead of video clips you can make him out to be the next Ryan Leaf...They're the same people that wanted Cutler here, how did that turn out?

I'm not a staunch JC fan, could he be better? Of course...but to blame all of the Redskins' problems on him is specious and idiotic...keep making those videos to give yourself something to do though

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[quote=rbanerjee23;680849]haha funny video by dirtbag...its almost like if you show only lowlights of a quarterback behind easily the worst offensive line in the league and insert sarcastic phrasing ahead of video clips you can make him out to be the next Ryan Leaf...[B]They're the same people that wanted Cutler here, how did that turn out?[/B]
I'm not a staunch JC fan, could he be better? Of course...but to blame all of the Redskins' problems on him is specious and idiotic...keep making those videos to give yourself something to do though[/quote]

Id say the Skins have a far better wr corps than the Bears. Lets hold judgement until he has a true wr to throw to instead of a converted KR/PR guy. Plus as the JC ppl say, "He had to learn a new offense." Im not saying he is great but he is a good QB imo and you need a guy like that to get to the next level. We will see how he does with Mike as his OC.

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;680849]haha funny video by dirtbag...its almost like if you show only lowlights of a quarterback behind easily the worst offensive line in the league and insert sarcastic phrasing ahead of video clips you can make him out to be the next Ryan Leaf...They're the same people that wanted Cutler here, how did that turn out?

I'm not a staunch JC fan, could he be better? Of course...but to blame all of the Redskins' problems on him is specious and idiotic...keep making those videos to give yourself something to do though[/quote]


Well said.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;680849]haha funny video by dirtbag...

I'm not a staunch JC fan, could he be better? Of course...but to blame all of the Redskins' problems on him is specious and idiotic...[B]keep making those videos to give yourself something to do though[/B][/quote]

You realize I didn't make that video right?

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[quote=Buster;680832]Look, these guys are horrible...glad we didn't draft these bums:
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Can't believe no one decided to show Tony Romo.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;681063]Can't believe no one decided to show Tony Romo.[/quote]

to be technical they were saying that they were glad that we didn't draft these guys

tony went undrafted

yeah I'm reaching a bit

Re: Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'
 

Except Campbell has more lowlights than most NFL QB's

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Amazingly enough he still put up better numbers than half the QBs in the league.

Why can't we just call him what he is at this point, a middle of the pack QB. I know the haters want to make him out to be the worst starting QB ever... but we could have a bunch of other guys starting that would be far worse.

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[quote=Mattyk;681201]Amazingly enough he still put up better numbers than half the QBs in the league.

Why can't we just call him what he is at this point, a middle of the pack QB. I know the haters want to make him out to be the worst starting QB ever... but we could have a bunch of other guys starting that would be far worse.[/quote]

There's not a QB on our roster that get a unanimus vote of approval. All four have been critized and ridiculed to the extent I sometimes wonder how they're even in the league.

If Jason emerges as the starter, I'll be one of his staunchests supporters because he's has to endure so much being the QB of the Redskins.

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[quote=Longtimefan;681212]There's not a QB on our roster that get a unanimus vote of approval. All four have been critized and ridiculed to the extent I sometimes wonder how they're even in the league.

If Jason emerges as the starter, I'll be one of his staunchests supporters because he's has to endure so much being the QB of the Redskins.[/quote]


But see this is why we need the "franchise Qb" the sammy bradford or peyton or brees...somebody that unanimously is "the man" that we can build around.
That mike and kyle feel can be the cornerstone of their office. So we can make more than one semi push to the playoffs!
i like jc..but i think inthe long run there is no future for him here. I think that was decided the moment we started drooling over sanchez and cutler.

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There are only 7-8 franchise qb's in all of the NFL. Seems like we complain about our QB situtation much more then other teams fans. Maybe we should open our eyes and realize the situation at QB for us isn't that bad.

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O-Line = Field of Dreams

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[quote=Dirtbag359;681063]Can't believe no one decided to show Tony Romo.[/quote]

We expect bad plays from him...we wouldn't be proving anything.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;681083]Except Campbell has more lowlights than most NFL QB's[/quote]

Not true at all, he put up very respectable numbers in a complete mess of a team lead by a incompetent coach and with no protection last year.

You want lowlights, look at the guys we were considering downgrading from Campbell for...Jay Cutler and Fez Sanchez.

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[quote=Buster;681226]

You want lowlights, look at the guys we were considering downgrading from Campbell for...Jay Cutler and Fez Sanchez.[/quote]

Cutler is actually more disapointed then anyone in his performance from last year and has decided to train his butt off. Here's some footage:
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[quote=Gtothearry;681220]There are only 7-8 franchise qb's in all of the NFL. Seems like we complain about our QB situtation much more then other teams fans. Maybe we should open our eyes and realize the situation at QB for us isn't that bad.[/quote]

Not really, though we're listed as one of the teams needing one in the media frequently. Plenty of Philly fans hate McNabb and so on and so on.