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[quote=GMScud;685726]Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.[/quote]

I think Shanahan and Allen are intent on completely changing the culture that was here the past two years, and I think they feel if they have to push it to an extreme to get the message across so be it.

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JR......Redskins Insider is hell bent on keeping the Haynesworth saga alive and well. Of the ten post on his lead page, five of them are about Albert Haynesworth.

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From an ESPN chat with one of the Scouts Inc guy...

[QUOTE]Matt Williamson (12:16 PM)
I really disapprove of Washington going to a 3-4. Just don't see the logic in it and thought their D was quite good last year. Plus, ALL THE $$$ they just spent on Haynesworth!!!! Anyways, I think Kemoeatu (if healthy) will play the nose and Big Al will play DE. [B]I also think that Big Al could play ANY DL technique in ANY scheme and be a stud. Still, this isn't what you paid him for though![/B] I also don't like Fletcher in a 3-4. Hopefully they still use a lot of their old scheme. Honestly, only Orakpo benefits in my mind.[/QUOTE]

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I'm getting tired of all the AH off season crap. Just get your ass in shape and be ready to ball come training camp. If Shanahan holds a grudge cause his DT isn't at voluntary workouts then too bad and get over it. You're never going to have 100% participation. Plummer is a different story cause he's the QB. Plus they had Cutler waiting in the wings. Plummers days were numbered whether he was at all the off season stuff or not.

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I would love to see him get traded at this point. He had a below average season last year, appears to have no desire to address that, and is not only skipping workouts but complaining. As long as he is in washington, the dan snyder era will be forever remembered.

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[quote=Mc2guy;685734]True, but what message would it send when you have every player on the team except ONE participating in the OTAs and workout program. Doesn't that signal that the ONE player is being treated differently?

I think MS is sending a message to the team: "I am fair, I am even-handed, I want equality." Primadonnas might not like that message, but the 52 other guys on the starting roster will appreciate that and it will prevent resentment in the locker room.

CP is a perfect example...clearly there is a ton of resentment toward CP from other players about the special treatment he has received over the years. MS is just letting folks know that he's not going to tolerate that. I think he'll make more allies from the players because of it, rather than enemies.[/quote]

[quote=skinsfan69;685917]I'm getting tired of all the AH off season crap. Just get your ass in shape and be ready to ball come training camp. If Shanahan holds a grudge cause his DT isn't at voluntary workouts then too bad and get over it. You're never going to have 100% participation. Plummer is a different story cause he's the QB. Plus they had Cutler waiting in the wings. Plummers days were numbered whether he was at all the off season stuff or not.[/quote]

Agree. If the guy comes in shape ready to play lights out and you dump him because he declined a "voluntary" camp, then at the end of the day we got a tougher HC and a weaker football team.

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I just find it strange how you guys will piggyback any negative AH report but when there was something about JC, a guy who HASN'T proven himself in the league, so many jump to his defense.

Once he's here, what he shows us will tell us if his plan was worth it. Like I've said, the guy probably had his offseason training plan coordinated (and maybe paid for) before ours was even laid out. Chill out guys.

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[quote=tryfuhl;685927]I just find it strange how you guys will piggyback any negative AH report but when there was something about JC, a guy who HASN'T proven himself in the league, so many jump to his defense.

Once he's here, what he shows us will tell us if his plan was worth it. Like I've said, the guy probably had his offseason training plan coordinated (and maybe paid for) before ours was even laid out. Chill out guys.[/quote]

Actually both JC and AH get the same response honestly. From all the complaints that everyone has, honestly I have yet to see a reliable source that corroborates that there's a rift and that there's a huge problem ready to blow up. Honestly, I think AH will stay put and you'll see him at the mini camp in April.

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If I were AH I'd probably use my own trainer too. I'm not sure I'd trust anyone else until I was sure they had their s**t together.

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[quote=Ruhskins;685928]Actually both JC and AH get the same response honestly. From all the complaints that everyone has, honestly I have yet to see a reliable source that corroborates that there's a rift and that there's a huge problem ready to blow up. Honestly, I think AH will stay put and you'll see him at the mini camp in April.[/quote]
Haynesworth apparently won't be there as to not cause a "distraction"

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haynesworth-to-skip-redskins-v.html]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth to skip Redskins voluntary workouts, attend mandatory sessions[/url]

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I honestly thought he was working out with his trainer until I looked him up in twitter, wow if this is him what a immature douche bag!
[url=http://twitter.com/ahaynesworth3]Albert Haynesworth (ahaynesworth3) on Twitter[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;685931]Haynesworth apparently won't be there as to not cause a "distraction"

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haynesworth-to-skip-redskins-v.html]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth to skip Redskins voluntary workouts, attend mandatory sessions[/url][/quote]

The frustrating thing is, why get a guy like AH who is a natural Pro Bowl DT and ask him to play NT? It seems extremely self destructive to me. If in fact it is true.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;685932]I honestly thought he was working out with his trainer until I looked him up in twitter, wow if this is him what a immature douche bag!
[URL="http://twitter.com/ahaynesworth3"]Albert Haynesworth (ahaynesworth3) on Twitter[/URL][/quote]
55 followers... non-verified account...

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[quote=44ever;685933]The frustrating thing is, why get a guy like AH who is a natural Pro Bowl DT and ask him to play NT? It seems extremely self destructive to me. If in fact it is true.[/quote]
exactly

I mean the guy may play it some.. and I'm no D-Coord.. but it doesn't seem ideal

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[quote=tryfuhl;685927]I just find it strange how you guys will piggyback any negative AH report but when there was something about JC, a guy who HASN'T proven himself in the league, so many jump to his defense.

[/quote]

If thats true then it's because JC is much better human being. I alluded to this before but if JC even had a hint of being a premadonna he would have been out of here as early as 2007. I think part of the reason he's been around so long and had so much support is aside from moments of brilliance he has shown really strong character. The nicest thing I can say about Haynesworth is that he's actually pretty articulate. You wouldn't expect that from a guy who the field you can compare to a gorilla. I mean he's no Alan Page, but he comes across well semantically speaking in interviews and the like.

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whatever the case is, we definitely have the pieces of the puzzle to put together a great defense. If the coaching staff can't make this group work, then they can't make any group work. We have all the talent in the world, and also plenty of veteran leadership. And on D, we aren't too old either...............

We shall see.

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Haynesworth seems like an alright guy to me

[URL="http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/3/31/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-i.html"]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part*I - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/URL]

[URL="http://www.soles4souls.org/friends/spokespersons/haynesworth_albert.html"]Soles4Souls | A Shoe Charity Giving To Those In Need[/URL]

etc

Haven't you ever had a job where you didn't feel like you were really being used to your best ability?

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Cutler was more talented than Plummer.

Nobody is more talented than Haynesworth.

Shanahan directs offense. Plummer was his QB. Haynesworth playes defense.

Thats the difference here.

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[quote=internetcareer;685988]Cutler was more talented than Plummer.

Nobody is more talented than Haynesworth.

Shanahan directs offense. Plummer was his QB. Haynesworth playes defense.

Thats the difference here.[/quote]Quite true, but Shanahan clearly wants total commitment from everyone. If Albert starts a trend where other team "stars" think that they don't need to be present either, then we're probably better off without him.

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[quote=44ever;685922]Agree. If the guy comes in shape ready to play lights out and you dump him because he declined a "voluntary" camp, then at the end of the day we got a tougher HC and a weaker football team.[/quote]

Wiser words...

We can surmise all we want, but truly none of us know the gist of conversations between Al and the coaches/FO.

All I can really say is IF Albert has committed in word and deed to be the very best he can be this season (recognizing that likely means he'll train away from Redskins Park during involuntary) than Shanny/Allen will be very stupid and very culpable for looking to trade him. A committed Haynesworth is nearly priceless.

...I do worry Shanny has an ego so large his judgment can suffer. On the other hand I think his football intelligence is elite and if the good judgment is there he can lead us, or any team, to elite status.

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[quote=SmootSmack;685818]I think Shanahan and Allen are intent on completely changing the culture that was here the past two years, and I think they feel if they have to push it to an extreme to get the message across so be it.[/quote]

Do you know if Shannahan and Allen are working more as a team with Shanny having the final say or is it more of Shanny saying - Bruce, do this, this, and this. Just curious as to whether, so far (and admittedly it wayyyy early), Shanny seems to be putting a small part of his ego aside.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686181]Do you know if Shannahan and Allen are working more as a team with Shanny having the final say or is it more of Shanny saying - Bruce, do this, this, and this. Just curious as to whether, so far (and admittedly it wayyyy early), Shanny seems to be putting a small part of his ego aside.[/quote]

Definitely working together. It's not "Hey Bruce, go get McNabb" or "Hey Mike, I just got McNabb"

It's more "Hey Mike, made a few phone calls and I think we can get McNabb. Let's talk about it" (they discuss) "Sounds great Bruce, go for it"

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I think Mike S. came in and whats to install a new work ethic and I bet he first targeted Portis to be his example that no one is above the system but Portis has played nice since MS has arrived thus opening the door to AH as being the example.

I understand it is voluntary but these guys need to realize they are in a special situation where if they are smart with their money they will never have to work again. Put in 11 years of hard labor and then you are set for life look at Chris Samuels.

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Since the poll was added, I went ahead and cast my vote for Shanahan. That said, Haynesworth is understandably upset about being moved to NT in a 3-4. When he came here, he was very clear that he wanted to become the next Reggie White. He wants to be successful personally and he knows that playing him at NT would be downright stupid. In my opinion, he's Shanahan is giving him the Lavar treatment and I think its kind of petty.

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Haynesworth at NT, Redskins playing the 3-4...

[IMG]http://attheridge.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/square-peg-round-hole.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=SmootSmack;686184]Definitely working together. It's not "Hey Bruce, go get McNabb" or "Hey Mike, I just got McNabb"

It's more "Hey Mike, made a few phone calls and I think we can get McNabb. Let's talk about it" (they discuss) "Sounds great Bruce, go for it"[/quote]

Great Thanks! That is both good to hear and backs up the impression I got.

Next question: Is that different from how Shanahan operated in Denver? My impression as to his tenure there particularly over the last several years was that it was "All Mike, All the time".

Further questions pending.

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Why is everyone so sure that Haynesworth would be a NT in a 3-4? It makes no sense to me?

[B][I]Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer?[/I][/B]

He might but I doubt it.

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^ In a statement released by the team the other day, AH was described as "our starting nose tackle."

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[quote=Mattyk;685674]Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.[/quote]

I was thinking the exact same thing after reading two pages. That, and JR wants to keep the AH story going. For him, stirring the pot is what he does best.

AH makes more money than MS, bottom line. The man is expensive. MS is all about himself and the team. It's not the money thing for him, it's control.

Two different philosophies on life.

The third philosophy I'm just not sure about is Jim Haslett's defense.

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From a Mike Shanahan interview with NFL Fanhouse....

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/09/shanahan-believes-redskins-made-great-grab-in-mcnabb/]Shanahan Believes Redskins Made Great Grab in McNabb -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

[QUOTE]On trading Albert Haynesworth: "There is nothing to clarify. [B]It is just speculation.[/B] He's part of the organization. I am just looking for him to come in and work and be like everyone else. No, we're not going to trade him at all, unless someone gives us something we would have to consider -- that's pretty standard with any player on your roster. He's a pretty smart guy. He's really talented. I think I can get that out of him.''[/QUOTE]

The whole is pretty good and interesting, but I thought I'd point out how he dismisses the AH overblown story.

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Pretty much what he's said all along. The story is getting a lot of hype, but behind closed doors I have to believe they are interested in moving him for the right price.

Word is the Broncos might be willing to part with Marshall for a 2nd rounder, so if we could somehow get a 2nd for AH...

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Good to hear, I still think that it had more to do with his bonus than anything else.

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Haynesworth just got paid a [B]$21,000,000 [/B] bonus and he can't bring himself to accomodate his coach? That is the height of narcissism. For that kind of money, he should be willing to (insert word here) Shanahan at midfield during the halftime show.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686250]Great Thanks! That is both good to hear and backs up the impression I got. Next question: Is that different from how Shanahan operated in Denver? My impression as to his tenure there particularly over the last several years was that it was "All Mike, All the time". Further questions pending.[/quote]

I'm not really sure. My understanding is that he has always insisted on final say but expects and relies on input from key people. But Allen's talent is really being that kind of exec, someone who can effectively lay out the scenarios and then hekp execute the plan

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This crap is WAY overblown.
The big fatty just wants to diet alone to get in shape...
Heck, back in the day we'd lose Riggo or Jurgensen for getting in their face about frickin' offseason "voluntary" workouts...what about Shawn Springs a few years ago...he was our best defender...what about Portis when he was our best player...he showed up....kinda....he just pretended....what about Shahan with the GMen or Farve for that matter...leave the poor guy alone and let him show up and kick everyones ass.

I am not one of those that feel he had a bad season at all...
I think he escallated the Dlines effectiveness 100%.
I like Haynesworth....get off his back! He's a playa!

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[quote=mredskins;686200]I think Mike S. came in and whats to install a new work ethic and I bet he first targeted Portis to be his example that no one is above the system [/quote]

If that is the case....why have they gone after guys with historical attitude problems such as Larry Johnson...he isn't exactly known for being particular about his players being conformists....this is not Joe Gibbs who puts character first.

I just think Shanny has got a bug up his butt because he is trying to establish his Power ...and what way to do that better than to knock the big dog down...he's already essentially dumped the leader of the offense...he is doing the same with the biggest player on D.

He doesn't need to be such a bully with Big Al...he's kinda quiet for a Dlineman.
He's made his point, but we are a far better team with Big Al that without him...just look at our sack numbers year to year...not to mention how we got smoked on run D the prior year...especially against the Gmen on the edge against Carter.

I say....Lay off...don't mess with Haynesworth...he deserves a chance to work out alone and prove he is a stud

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;686484]Haynesworth just got paid a [B]$21,000,000 [/B] bonus and he can't bring himself to accomodate his coach? That is the height of narcissism. For that kind of money, he should be willing to (insert word here) Shanahan at midfield during the halftime show.[/quote]
Neither Shanahan nor Allen signed him to that contract.

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Who do I side with "legally" or "Morally"?

Legally:

AH does not have to be here. There is a reason it's called "voluntary" work outs.

Morally:

AH makes a ton of money. I'd love to see him take one year and have to work in some of our jobs making not even a fraction of what he earns and having to be at work Mon. through Fri. all year except for his vacation time. Let him tell his boss "no" and expect to keep his job. LOL. He might have a different oppinion on where he should be afterward. For 20 mill as a bonus I'd do almost whatever my boss said...."oh you want me to be the RB...Ok", then run everyone over like a freight train. You want me to clean the bathroom in the locker room.... it would be so clean you could eat off it.

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It is hard for me to forget Fatal Bert stomping on the head (twice) of the Dallas center. I was watching that game and I couln't believe my eyes. I pretty much figured it took two to tango but got way out of hand. As the years went by from that momment, Fatal Bert has done nothing to make me think that what he did that day was an isolated incident. Now we have his ill will blowing throughout our team. You may not chose to smell it but it's there.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;686484]Haynesworth just got paid a [B]$21,000,000 [/B] bonus and he can't bring himself to accomodate his coach? That is the height of narcissism. For that kind of money, he should be willing to (insert word here) Shanahan at midfield during the halftime show.[/quote]

Would it be any different if he just got paid a [b]$21,000[/b] bonus? What does money have to do with being a professional? I'd expect no more or less professionalism from the highest paid player than the 53rd highest paid player. Tying salary to leadership is always a foolish mistake. He should be there because of his teammates and his dedication to making the team the best they can be, not because he made more money than the GNP of most European countries.