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That would be huge for JC to go there...I'd like it a lot for him. but don't forget about a certain mark bulger...he's from PA and would make a lot of sense to go there. Just a thought, not sure how you guys feel if he is washed up or not, he could at least be a good backup.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I just read through all the posts, ive also been half-hazardly been keeping up on the case on the internet. There doesnt really seem to be any solid facts supporting the accusation, please correct me if im wrong. There is a video tape that got recorded over, but it doesn’t really seem like anyone even knows what the video tape recorded (the bathroom, or just the general bar areas?). [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Whats really scary is that without any real evidence (again please correct me if im wrong) Ben will now forever carry around the stigma of being labeled a rapist. Most people commenting on this thread believe he raped this girl. It seems like most people out there also seem to believe that Ben will likely get in some sort of trouble for his accused actions, either getting a short suspension, substance abuse class, or something else.

Can anyone just lay out the facts or post links to the facts that seem like Ben actually raped this girl?

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[quote=mlmpetert;687151][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I just read through all the posts, ive also been half-hazardly been keeping up on the case on the internet. There doesnt really seem to be any solid facts supporting the accusation, please correct me if im wrong. There is a video tape that got recorded over, but it doesn’t really seem like anyone even knows what the video tape recorded (the bathroom, or just the general bar areas?). [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Whats really scary is that without any real evidence (again please correct me if im wrong) Ben will now forever carry around the stigma of being labeled a rapist. Most people commenting on this thread believe he raped this girl. It seems like most people out there also seem to believe that Ben will likely get in some sort of trouble for his accused actions, either getting a short suspension, substance abuse class, or something else.

Can anyone just lay out the facts or post links to the facts that seem like Ben actually raped this girl?

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he invited her into the VIP section, bought her drinks, then took her into a bathroom and one of his bodyguards stood at the door. hmmmm...what could this mean?

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[quote=DCSportsFan98;687154]he invited her into the VIP section, bought her drinks, then took her into a bathroom and one of his bodyguards stood at the door. hmmmm...what could this mean?[/quote]

hmmm, lets see, that she went in their willingly, hence some level of consent. that she drank with him again some level of consent. That he's an idiot and needs to get out of that environment before he actually does cross a legal boundary (if he hasn't already). And finally, that you are willing to make a lot of assumptions, and assassinate a person's character without regard to what the law and legal system actually say.

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yeah it sounds real shady. i don't know who to believe.

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[url=http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Statement-by-Steelers-President-Art-Rooney-II/32a16d96-fc6c-42e5-a289-d8a3b289866d]Statement by Steelers President Art Rooney II[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;687165][URL="http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Statement-by-Steelers-President-Art-Rooney-II/32a16d96-fc6c-42e5-a289-d8a3b289866d"]Statement by Steelers President Art Rooney II[/URL][/quote]

Ben R. seems like trailor trash to me. You're a professional NFL QB and you're going to college bars and going into bathrooms w/ 20 year olds?? I was reading that he runs out on bar tabs too. WTF?? Whether he is guilty or innocent he really needs to grow up.

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Adam_Schefter

Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger will address the media today at 7 p.m. at Steelers headquarters at the UPMC Sports Performance Complex.

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The guy has the life that many of us could only dream of, and he seems intent on throwing it away. I am of the belief that he seriously needs medical help/treatment, and I haven't heard or read anywhere that he is seeking any. Might be a matter of time before trouble finds him again?

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[quote=jdc65;687184]The guy has the life that many of us could only dream of, and he seems intent on throwing it away. I am of the belief that he seriously needs medical help/treatment, and I haven't heard or read anywhere that he is seeking any. Might be a matter of time before trouble finds him again?[/quote]

NFL will probly make him go to counseling

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Q&A based on the DA's statement:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5078977]Ben Roethlisberger Q&A: Lester Munson explains why the DA didn't charge the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback - ESPN[/url]

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what happened to a chick being drunk meaning that she was raped? good to see that one turned around

so with the letter either her friends were like you were all up on his junk.. or Roeth was like here's a check, let me know if you ever want to consent

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Jim Carrey is claiming that [URL="http://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/11977900538"]he has been sexually assaulted by Ben[/URL]...any truth to his claims?

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[quote=saden1;687218]Jim Carrey is claiming that [URL="http://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/11977900538"]he has been sexually assaulted by Ben[/URL]...any truth to his claims?[/quote]

Well he and Jenny McCarthy are no longer together. Bens assault on Jim may have something to do with it,just saying.

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[quote=skinsfan69;687169]Ben R. seems like trailor trash to me. You're a professional NFL QB and you're going to college bars and going into bathrooms w/ 20 year olds?? I was reading that he runs out on bar tabs too. WTF?? Whether he is guilty or innocent he really needs to grow up.[/quote]

Watch Entourage and you'll understand....actually.f**k it what is he doing in a college bar in Millidgevulle George-GUH.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5079655#]Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger sorry to NFL for disappointment - ESPN[/url]

Here is Bens first interview since the incident.

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ben looks more like a wrestler nowadays after putting that weight on to absorb the hits

I'm still wondering how a 20 year old was wasted in a nightclub, well nvm that.. why she was allowed to be rather

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[quote=tryfuhl;687263]ben looks more like a wrestler nowadays after putting that weight on to absorb the hits

I'm still wondering how a 20 year old was wasted in a nightclub, well nvm that.. why she was allowed to be rather[/quote]

Actually he looked like a younger fatter version of the Bounty Hunter. He looks terrible. No way would I want this guy representing my team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;687320]Actually he looked like a younger fatter version of the Bounty Hunter. He looks terrible. No way would I want this guy representing my team.[/quote]


He looks like a two time Super Bowl winner to me.

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[quote=warpaint;687234][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5079655#]Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger sorry to NFL for disappointment - ESPN[/url]

Here is Bens first interview since the incident.[/quote]

Can't they at least memorize a prepared statement. It seems so fake when they read it off a card. Certainly he would have had time to prepare.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;687325]Can't they at least memorize a prepared statement. It seems so fake when they read it off a card. Certainly he would have had time to prepare.[/quote]
lol dude couldn't even string together 2 statements without having to read

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A bit harsh. He is an athlete not an orator.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;687323]He looks like a two time Super Bowl winner to me.[/quote]

well that he is. the guy can ball but he's been accused twice of sexual assualts. where there is smoke there is fire.

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[quote=hooskins;687341]A bit harsh. He is an athlete not an orator.[/quote]
Bro I had to recite the Gettysburg address in 3rd grade. In high school I had to give 10 minute presentations without notes. You don't have to be an orator to actually be able to speak in a smooth fashion, especially when it's a prepared statement. You went to UVA right? I'd expect you to understand.

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[quote=tryfuhl;687343]Bro I had to recite the Gettysburg address in 3rd grade. In high school I had to give 10 minute presentations without notes. You don't have to be an orator to actually be able to speak in a smooth fashion, especially when it's a prepared statement. You went to UVA right? I'd expect you to understand.[/quote]

While you recited four score and seven years ago, Big Ben was scoring with cheerleaders.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;687345]While you recited four score and seven years ago, [B]Big Ben was scoring with cheerleaders[/B].[/quote]

Forcibly.

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Terry Bradshaws comments on Ben. I've never really heard T.Bradshaw speak about any one like this which caught me off gaurd. Bradshaw is always joking around and just shooting the shit. He says Ben got pissed at him when he was just trying to give some advice. Kind of intresting.

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5079693]Terry Bradshaw On Ben Roethlisberger - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;687345]While you recited four score and seven years ago, Big Ben was scoring with cheerleaders.[/quote]
when he was in 4th grade? haha

and LOL @ warpaint's reply

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haha yeah checked that out earlier

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[quote=Dirtbag359;687325]Can't they at least memorize a prepared statement. It seems so fake when they read it off a card. Certainly he would have had time to prepare.[/quote]

Well I'm sure his lawyer told him to do so, so he doesn't say anything incriminating in the event of a civil lawsuit and whatnot. Still though, you're right, it looks fake and tacky when they read from a piece of paper.

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[quote=Ruhskins;687360]Well I'm sure his lawyer told him to do so, so he doesn't say anything incriminating in the event of a civil lawsuit and whatnot. Still though, you're right, it looks fake and tacky when they read from a piece of paper.[/quote]


Well Ben is obvously smarter than Gilbert Arenas. In this situation you do exactly what your attorney tells you to.

What is apparent to me is that this situation is a 180 compared to the tramp out west. Ben has been playing defense the whole time in this case which makes me think that the situation was questionable at best if not criminal.

Either way, Big Ben is lucky and better have learned his lesson because if this happens again he will probably go to jail.

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He's meeting with Goodell today and if he doesn't get a minimum 4, preferablly 6 or 8-game suspension, the league and its personal conduct policies are a joke. Other players have been suspended for lesser offenses that were also not prosecuted.

Even if he's right and she REALLY DID just fall down in that 5-foot by 5-foot bathroom that he followed he into and had buddies guard the door...don't you think she'd bruise an elbow or knee...not her vagina? Regardless of the matter of consent, she was drunk and under the drinking age in most states...he had no reason to behave the way he did. He is supposed to be a professional and that doesn't only apply for 3 hours every Sunday. He's brought horrible press upon the league and especially the Steelers. I doubt he'll even recognize that trading Holmes was a message to him. This wasn't his first or even second chance to act like a civilized human being and professional representative of his team...he has a long track record of bad judgment if not more.

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[quote=Buster;687408]He's meeting with Goodell today and if he doesn't get a minimum 4, preferablly 6 or 8-game suspension, the league and its personal conduct policies are a joke. Other players have been suspended for lesser offenses that were also not prosecuted.

Even if he's right and she REALLY DID just fall down in that 5-foot by 5-foot bathroom that he followed he into and had buddies guard the door...don't you think she'd bruise an elbow or knee...not her vagina? Regardless of the matter of consent, she was drunk and under the drinking age in most states...he had no reason to behave the way he did. He is supposed to be a professional and that doesn't only apply for 3 hours every Sunday. He's brought horrible press upon the league and especially the Steelers. I doubt he'll even recognize that trading Holmes was a message to him. This wasn't his first or even second chance to act like a civilized human being and professional representative of his team...he has a long track record of bad judgment if not more.[/quote]


Honestly it isn't our job or Goodell's job to decide why the girl had a bruise on her vagina. While I have seen a vagina or two in my day, I would never speculate on a subject like this.

Based on how Goodell has dealt with other players, I think he has to suspend Ben but, personally, I think this suspending players when they haven't been convicted of anything is a slippery slope.

I see a player suing the league in the near future over one of these suspensions because it seems that Goodell's process is very arbitrary. Who is policing Goodell? What is his criteria? What gives Goodell the right to decide that people who have been convicted of no crime cannot work?

Certainly, to date, it seems like black players are being treated differently than the white players.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;687420]Honestly it isn't our job or Goodell's job to decide why the girl had a bruise on her vagina. While I have seen a vagina or two in my day, I would never speculate on a subject like this.

Based on how Goodell has dealt with other players, I think he has to suspend Ben but, personally, I think this suspending players when they haven't been convicted of anything is a slippery slope.

I see a player suing the league in the near future over one of these suspensions because it seems that Goodell's process is very arbitrary. Who is policing Goodell? What is his criteria? What gives Goodell the right to decide that people who have been convicted of no crime cannot work?

[B]Certainly, to date, it seems like black players are being treated differently than the white players[/B].[/quote]

You're could be right to an extent, but there is also the fact that can't be denied that there have been less "issues" with the law among white players, just looking at an incident per capita-type figure. I'm not making any judgements, just throwing out a stat. We can't condemn the Commissioner just because there were fewer incidents to deal with when applying a certain criteria like race. However, if that perception exists, here's his opportunity to squash it.

With that said, Goodell doesn't need to get into any of the dirty details of Ben's incidents. His maturity level, personal conduct and bad image he's creating for the league and his team is enough to hand out a punishment with the intentions of putting a stop to these behaviors before they go to far legally and otherwise.

Chris Henry and Pacman Jones were suspended when not convicted. Roethlisberger is starting to get a track record of repeat offender just as they are. As the QB, the most prominent position on the team, he needs to be held to a higher standard just due to his public visibility. He needs to realize this and if necessary, taught the lesson.

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[quote=Buster;687432]You're could be right to an extent, but there is also the fact that can't be denied that there have been less "issues" with the law among white players, just looking at an incident per capita-type figure. I'm not making any judgements, just throwing out a stat. We can't condemn the Commissioner just because there were fewer incidents to deal with when applying a certain criteria like race. However, if that perception exists, here's his opportunity to squash it.

With that said, Goodell doesn't need to get into any of the dirty details of Ben's incidents. His maturity level, personal conduct and bad image he's creating for the league and his team is enough to hand out a punishment with the intentions of putting a stop to these behaviors before they go to far legally and otherwise.

[B]Chris Henry and Pacman Jones were suspended when not convicted. Roethlisberger is starting to get a track record of repeat offender just as they are. As the QB, the most prominent position on the team, he needs to be held to a higher standard just due to his public visibility. He needs to realize this and if necessary, taught the lesson.[/quote][/B]

See this is where I think Goodell is on questionable ground. You are calling Big Ben a repeat offender but he hasn't been arrested for either case. Suspending players for bad press? That sounds like a softball for an attorney if you ask me. I think there is a big difference when someone is arrested over and over again and not convicted as opposed to just being accused.

I think it is a very bad precedent to suspend players on accusations alone. I know this last case smells but what is next, you suspend players for staring too long at the cheerleaders?

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[quote=tryfuhl;687357]when he was in 4th grade? haha

and LOL @ warpaint's reply[/quote]

yeah...over by the water fountain...he was almost forcing himself on them. hahahahahahaha

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;687444][/B]

See this is where I think Goodell is on questionable ground. You are calling Big Ben a repeat offender but he hasn't been arrested for either case. Suspending players for bad press? That sounds like a softball for an attorney if you ask me. I think there is a big difference when someone is arrested over and over again and not convicted as opposed to just being accused.

I think it is a very bad precedent to suspend players on accusations alone. I know this last case smells but what is next, you suspend players for staring too long at the cheerleaders?[/quote]

Yeah, cause the commish isn't a moron, he knows Big Ben is an idiot and stupid as a box of rocks. Everybody knows Big Ben has done something wrong here, and the commish wants to and SHOULD make an example out of him, who knows, maybe it will get a 27 year old man out of COLLEGE bars in the middle of Georgia. But i'm waiting for a million more of these things to happen to Big Ben then have him admit he has a sex addiction...just like Tiger...

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I hope Roger Goodell takes his head out of bens ass and suspends this serial rapist

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[quote=TheBackupKicker;687505]I hope Roger Goodell takes his head out of bens ass and suspends this serial rapist[/quote]

See this is an ignorant statement. Were you there? Are you an expert on rape cases? He wasn't even arrested but you are qualified to label him as a serial rapist?

Come on now.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;687444][/B]

See this is where I think Goodell is on questionable ground. You are calling Big Ben a repeat offender but he hasn't been arrested for either case. Suspending players for bad press? That sounds like a softball for an attorney if you ask me. I think there is a big difference when someone is arrested over and over again and not convicted as opposed to just being accused.

I think it is a very bad precedent to suspend players on accusations alone. I know this last case smells but what is next, you suspend players for staring too long at the cheerleaders?[/quote]

It's not based on accusations, it's based on facts.

Facts such as:

*He's repeatedly using bad judgment, from the motorcycle to these multiple sexual assault claims. Bad personal conduct means bad press for the team, the league and all athletes who will be stereotyped because of the actions of a prominent player.

*He's voluntarily putting himself in these situations and in with these crowds. He's choosing to be put in compromising situations.

*This is not the first time he's been involved in a situation like this, whether pursued legally or not. The "wrong place, wrong time" defense only works once. After that, it becomes a pattern of behavior. His two accusations/incidents were not too far apart, time-wise either. It doesn't appear he's learned from his previous mess, or even his motorcycle accident. Sure, it was an "accident", but he doesn't seem to value his career or realize he's an asset of the team that needs to be protected.

*Other players have been punished for far less-severe situations. Just because law enforcement or the legal system doesn't spell out a decision, that doesn't mean no crime was committed. In this case, there was apparently "not enough evidence to prosecute and win a case" according to the DA. We really don't have to bring up OJ or Kobe Bryant, do we? Although there was not enough evidence to go forward with a case, there WAS a lot of evidence that Ben acted without any common sense, possibly morals and many of the facts that were present (age, condition of victim, the location of her bruises with a "oh she just fell down and bruised her vagina" explanation from him. The facts that were there point to something very bad for Roethlisberger, they just claimed they couldn't find enough of these.

I do realize there are false accusations and the Duke debacle should have taught us all a lesson...but when someone is repeatedly finding themselves put into defending themselves against the same accusation, perhaps the individual needs to evaluate their life and decisions they're making. A suspension might push Ben to do this whether he's guilty or not. No matter what the legal outcome was, he is hurting the team and league with his decisions and lack of caring (or common sense).


It may not even take a decision by Goodell to give him some time off. The Rooneys and Steelers are considering doing it themselves and after trading Holmes for equally-stupid but less severe offenses...they're serious.

[URL="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10103/1049923-66.stm"]Steelers ponder suspension of Roethlisberger[/URL]


It seems like they're preparing for the worst-case scenario and not having Roethlisberger permanently...they just re-signed the ancient Charlie Batch for 2 more years.

[URL="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10086/1046111-66.stm"]Steelers' Batch accepts two-year deal[/URL]