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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;688425]At least you didn't run into Big Ben in the bathroom...[/quote]
hahaha

we do have to remember that JLC has been late/wrong/very speculative with us lately, hopefully this is one more

not much new here other than knowing the reported asking price

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[quote=warpaint;688411]J.Taylor and all of Miami clowned us the year before. Now this could really hurt even more if he was to go back to TN.

I honestly feel AH really wants to go down as, The Badest M-Fer to play the game and his pride wont let him have the word "BUST" attached to his name. He is an ALPHA DOG.

I so agree with you on the unbolded statement.[/quote]

The problem with the Taylor move was that it cost us draft picks - including a valuable second - without improving the team. Taylor's return to the Dolphins really isn't even worth mentioning as it relates the Skins. At that point (preseason 09) we'd already forfeited the draft picks and the only question was whether or not Jason was going to make the team better that year, which he probably wasn't. It will go down as an infamously terrible move because we walked away from the transaction one year later poorer than we would have otherwise been, having lost picks without gaining anything in return.

If Haynesworth is traded for a second round pick or whatever, we will have gained draft picks, as Synder will have essentially bought whatever pick we get for 28 million dollars or however much we've paid Al to date. Maybe you don't like this if you are Snyder's financial adviser, but as a fan I don't see how you can be anything other than happy that we are gaining a high draft choice we wouldn't have otherwise had.

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[quote=djnemo65;688444]The problem with the Taylor move was that it cost us draft picks - including a valuable second - without improving the team. Taylor's return to the Dolphins really isn't even worth mentioning as it relates the Skins. At that point (preseason 09) we'd already forfeited the draft picks and the only question was whether or not Jason was going to make the team better that year, which he probably wasn't. It will go down as an infamously terrible move because we walked away from the transaction one year later poorer than we would have otherwise been, having lost picks without gaining anything in return.

If Haynesworth is traded for a second round pick or whatever, we will have gained draft picks, as Synder will have essentially bought whatever pick we get for 28 million dollars or however much we've paid Al to date. Maybe you don't like this if you are Snyder's financial adviser, but as a fan I don't see how you can be anything other than happy that we are gaining a high draft choice we wouldn't have otherwise had.[/quote]

Except that, most likely, the draft pick isn't going to produce like Al.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;688445]Except that, most likely, the draft pick isn't going to produce like Al.[/quote]

That's a different argument, whether or not we should keep AH. I tend to think we should. However, I was responding to a post comparing his signing to the Jason Taylor trade; my point is that there is no scenario in which we will not be better off as a team for having signed Haynesworth, front office profligacy notwithstanding, since we will at the very least be producing a new draft pick out of thin air (and 28 million one dollar bills).

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hmm what about Albert Haynesworth to the Titans for Jason Jones and their 3rd rounder

I wish I could see AH play at least a game or two in this new defense, but now it seems like it isn't going to happen..

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I'll be really mad if the trade AH.

DON'T TRADE AH, DON'T TRADE AH, DON'T TRADE AH, REPEAT A MILLION TIMES.

IMO

HTTR.

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Another AH thread????? Sigh....

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A few thoughts here:

-Blache, Zorn and Cerrato were the driving forces behind getting AH last year. Had Shanahan been here last year we wouldn't have signed him

-In other words, Shanahan doesn't like him. I didn't realize until I talked to someone a couple of days ago how much he doesn't like him

-That said, Shanahan isn't looking to unload Haynesworth but he is listening to offers and may settle for something a bit less than value

-Haynesworth isn't crazy about playing in a 3-4, though this defense will have many variations, but he does believe that he can play for Haslett

-I mentioned Howard Green yesterday morning and I don't see him quite the same way that JLC does. I don't think signing him is indicative of any AH trade

-There's something else at play here. No one is biting on some of the other players we have shopped. A lot of it could be teams simply waiting for draft weekend. But some trades that the Redskins were hoping would happen simply haven't yet

-All that said, I think some of those other moves will happen and I hope the Skins don't get desperate of frustrated and unload Haynesworth for poor value

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[quote=SmootSmack;688485]A few thoughts here:

-Blache, Zorn and Cerrato were the driving forces behind getting AH last year. Had Shanahan been here last year we wouldn't have signed him

-In other words, Shanahan doesn't like him. I didn't realize until I talked to someone a couple of days ago how much he doesn't like him

-That said, Shanahan isn't looking to unload Haynesworth but he is listening to offers and may settle for something a bit less than value

-Haynesworth isn't crazy about playing in a 3-4, though this defense will have many variations, but he does believe that he can play for Haslett

-I mentioned Howard Green yesterday morning and I don't see him quite the same way that JLC does. I don't think signing him is indicative of any AH trade

-There's something else at play here. No one is biting on some of the other players we have shopped. A lot of it could be teams simply waiting for draft weekend. But some trades that the Redskins were hoping would happen simply haven't yet

-All that said, I think some of those other moves will happen and [B]I hope the Skins don't get desperate of frustrated and unload Haynesworth for poor value[/B][/quote]

amen.

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Well see ya later!! I don't want guys on our team that bitch and wine when they just got 21 million dollars! Fuck off haynesworth, I really backed this guy when we signed him and even bought a Chinese fake authentic jersey lol. O well

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I'm just wondering why this wasn't in the "2010 offseason Rumors and Reports" thread? I think most of us were already talking about it there. Even mentioned the two DT they brought or were bringing in and signing. I could see if AH was traded then yes new thread.

Anyway, it looks like Shanahan is not playing around. Either your on board or your not. If your not your gone.

Anybody remember the name of the DT that recently got traded or picked up for a 2nd rounder? I can't remember the name but I remember some of you guys saying no way AH goes less then a 1st if the other guy got picked up for a 2nd.

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[quote=johno;688486]amen.[/quote]

seriously, id rather keep AH and deal with whatever discontent lies btw shanny and AH than to trade him for a 2nd rounder.

shanny doesnt seem like he plays around. i guess plummers impression that once you get on shanny's bad side, you stay on his bad side seems accurate so far.

at times last year AH was a beast, pushing the o line back a good 2-3 steps right from the snap. it was awesome to see, taking it with a grain of salt those times he got tired or wasnt in there for important snaps.

he did impact important plays thoo,

1st game of the season, giants going for it on 4th and goal, stuffed by AH.

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I would rather he play 15-20 snaps a game for someone else.

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I would be happy if we could get a couple of 2nd rounders for AH like the Broncos got for Marshall.

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[quote=Mattyk;688508]I would be happy if we could get a couple of 2nd rounders for AH like the Broncos got for Marshall.[/quote]

as would i. I simply don't get why everyone is so upset about the potential of trading him. as long as we get the proper value for him, which i feel is about 800 points on the [URL="http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php"]draft trade value chart[/URL], i'd be happy.

i've outlined a plethora of reasons trading him a number of times, and i'm not going to go over them all again here. bottom line is that haynesworth is not indespensable to the team, we've got a number of needs to fill on the team, and haynesworth is - by far - the player on our team with the most trade value. it makes alot of sense to move him.

that said, if we traded him for anything less than 650 points, i'd be pissed.

(For comparisons sake, Brandon Marshall was traded for the 11th pick in the 2nd round this year (470) points and Miami's 2nd rounder next year. Assuming Miami finishes with the exact same record next year, that pick would also be worth 470 points in the 2011 draft. So, without doing any fancy adjustments to compensate for depreciating the value of future picks, Marshall was worth about 940 points).

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[quote=SmootSmack;688485]

-That said, Shanahan isn't looking to unload Haynesworth but he is listening to offers and may settle for something a bit less than value

-All that said, I think some of those other moves will happen and I hope the Skins don't get desperate of frustrated and unload Haynesworth for poor value[/quote]

^This^

I'm also not convinced that the two sides feel as strongly about the situation or each other as is being shopped around by bored sports writers.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;688346]Looks like AH might indeed be traded. Jason La Canfora says AH is looking to be traded and we are looking at another FA DT to possibly take his place if he is indeed traded. Looks like Shwartz from Detroit is very interested in him.[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817854e4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Haynesworth avoiding Redskins' voluntary minicamp; trade possible[/url][/quote]

I can't think of a less reliable source then JLC. That said I would trade AH for Detroit's #2 pick but Tenn's #3 is not enough. We already paid the bulk of the money and even if he's disgruntled he will still be more valuable then a 3rd round pick will be.

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[quote=The Goat;688366]Shanny and Bruce seem to already be losing control of the situation. If we can believe earlier reports Albert went into the season (off-season) committing himself to be at the top of his game. I would argue two points: 1) AH at the top of his game is the most dominant defensive player in football 2) that fact should be enough reason to build the effing defense around him i.e. keep the 4-3 and improve on what we've got.

Instead Shanny/Haslett/Allen have decided to force a scheme for which we don't even have the personnel. And because they effed up the trade w/ the Eagles it seems inevitable we'll lose our best player on the roster.

What is really frustrating about this is the simple fact we're not likely to stick w/ whatever Shanny and Haslett think they're doing anyway. Haslett is a mediocre to sub-par coach. His units have never impressed. And Shanny has a penchant for kicking DCs to the curb even when they perform well (some of his DCs in Denver produced top 10 defenses but still got axed). That's pure ego IMO. So Haslett is likely gone in a year and we start all over again defensively.[/quote]


Couldn't have said it better. That's exactly why this whole situation f**king sucks and Shanny is getting annoying and the season hasn't even started. WHY is he changing the scheme on a top 10 D. His main reason for what was published is that he wants turnovers. You want turnovers? How about you should have gotten rid of Carlos and added a CB with better hands, add a Real free safety and move Landry to Strong safety where he belongs, then you at least give the D a season to see how they do which I bet they would get a lot more turnovers and interceptions. If that does not work then you do the whole switch. But at least you would have given the D an opportunity. But no instead he hires Haslett (crappy D coach) changes the scheme, huffs and puffs that AH won't attend "voluntary camp" and most likely will end up trading Albert for a crappy pick.

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[quote=celts32;688521]I can't think of a less reliable source then JLC. That said I would trade AH for Detroit's #2 pick but Tenn's #3 is not enough. We already paid the bulk of the money and even if he's disgruntled he will still be more valuable then a 3rd round pick will be.[/quote]

I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688485]
-In other words, Shanahan doesn't like him. I didn't realize until I talked to someone a couple of days ago how much he doesn't like him[/quote]
Man I get that he's getting away from what we've done before but how do you hate getting one of the most dominant players in the game?

[quote]
-There's something else at play here. No one is biting on some of the other players we have shopped. A lot of it could be teams simply waiting for draft weekend. But some trades that the Redskins were hoping would happen simply haven't yet

-All that said, I think some of those other moves will happen and I hope the Skins don't get desperate of frustrated and unload Haynesworth for poor value[/quote]
I'm with you on that; people just aren't going to value our guys the way we do, especially like you said, with the draft right around the corner.

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[quote=drew54;688507]I would rather he play 15-20 snaps a game for someone else.[/quote]
Really? That'd be about half his lowest snap count, which was in the Detroit game that he had to leave early in.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688525]I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.[/quote]
Has JLC been right or on time with ANYTHING this year that's about us? He's broke a few things league wide but he's usually 2-4 days behind what we're even talking about on here. Remember he was the one saying that we were top on the list for Porter, Dansby, Pashos, etc etc

Just not much of what he's said has actually come close to anything that's happened.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688525]I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.[/quote]

Well I'm sure JLC has no love for the Redskins FO so that (I think) would give a bit of a negative bias to his reports. Throw on top of that the whole "drama/negativity sells" makes me not trust JLC.

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[quote=tryfuhl;688530]Has JLC been right or on time with ANYTHING this year that's about us? He's broke a few things league wide but he's usually 2-4 days behind what we're even talking about on here. Remember he was the one saying that we were top on the list for Porter, Dansby, Pashos, etc etc

Just not much of what he's said has actually come close to anything that's happened.[/quote]

[quote=Ruhskins;688531]Well I'm sure JLC has no love for the Redskins FO so that (I think) would give a bit of a negative bias to his reports. Throw on top of that the whole "drama/negativity sells" makes me not trust JLC.[/quote]

apparently, you havent been paying attention recently. JLC has consistently praised the redskins front office under its current front office structure. he's on the tony kornheiser show every week and almost goes out of his way to praise the way the skins have handled the offseason. also, the redskins did pursue everyone JLC reported they pursued - its just at the end of the day, the front office chose not to get in a bidding war and overpay for any of those guys.

regarding Haynesworth, JLC isnt the only one who has cited sources indicating the skins want to move haynesworth. in fact, [I]everyone [/I]in the media who cites sources says thats exactly what the skins are trying to do - except schefter. while some of you feel schefter's closeness with Shanahan means he should be beleived over everyone else, i think we have to look at the situation objectively.

while i'll trust schefter to provide updates on acquisitions in process, contract negotiations, etc - i dont take a thing he says about something at face value when shanahan would have a strategic reason to be less than forthright - especially when everyone else is reporting something different that schefter.

Also, Smoot, would you mind clarifying one point:

[quote=SmootSmack;688485]
-That said, Shanahan isn't looking to unload Haynesworth but he is listening to offers and may settle for something a bit less than value
[/quote]

that statement seems somewhat contradictory. Saying Shanahan isnt "looking to unload" Haynesworth implies he either doesnt want to move him or doesn't really care either way. Stating that he "may settle for something a bit less than value" indicates he really want to move him, even if we don't get what we should. If either of the former statements were true, there would be no chance Shanahan would trade Haynesworth for anything less than value, wouldnt it?

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didnt JLC "break" the mcnabb trade? im not sure but i thought it was him over adam.

it kinda sucks to know good skins players (AH, rogers, landry, carter) are available but noone wants to pony up anything remotely comparable to what they would give us if we just kept them.

odd, id snap up landry or los for a 4th in a heart beat. AH, coaches call on whether he would want to deal with him and probably his demand for a new K, but id drop a 2nd rounder for him, especially if he says he'll honor his contract.

just weird to see such talent available all across the league with 2nd 3rd 4th rounders being treated like gold. boldin and a 5th for a 3rd and 4th? yes please.

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[quote=over the mountain;688537]didnt JLC "break" the mcnabb trade? im not sure but i thought it was him over adam.

it kinda sucks to know good skins players (AH, rogers, landry, carter) are available but noone wants to pony up anything remotely comparable to what they would give us if we just kept them.

odd, id snap up landry or los for a 4th in a heart beat. AH, coaches call on whether he would want to deal with him and probably his demand for a new K, but id drop a 2nd rounder for him, especially if he says he'll honor his contract.

just weird to see such talent available all across the league with 2nd 3rd 4th rounders being treated like gold. boldin and a 5th for a 3rd and 4th? yes please.[/quote]

i think its a combination of teams really feeling good about what's available in the draft, although it would not surprise me if there was some "collusion" going on between league owners. there are quite a few talented RFAs out there and very few of them are moving. i think its possible the owners are trying to put extra pressure on the players to accept some less-than-favorable terms in the next CBA.

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I would offer Campbell and Carter or Rogers to the Raiders for a 2nd rounder. carter is from the Bay area and probably wouldn't mind coming back here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688525]I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.[/quote]


When has Schefter put incorrect information out there related to Shanahan? Also, when has he ever furthered Shanahan's agenda? You don't think ESPN would discipline him for that?

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[quote=tryfuhl;688529]Really? That'd be about half his lowest snap count, which was in the Detroit game that he had to leave early in.[/quote]


tryfuhl, don't fill the Godzilla haters minds with facts. According to them the only times he stepped on the field he ended the play rolling around on the ground.

He had nothing to do with single handedly stopping the Giants line, fullback and rhinocerous of a runningback on that 4th and one. He also had nothing to do with shutting down Dallas' short yardage plays.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;688546]When has Schefter put incorrect information out there related to Shanahan? Also, when has he ever furthered Shanahan's agenda? You don't think ESPN would discipline him for that?[/quote]
I agree.
I would think that silence from Schefter would be more indicative of agreement with JLC's point, but I doubt Schefter would go out and play any part of a Shanahan media strategy using disinformation. My guess would be more so that Shanahan saw the media spinning away and possibly turning the situation into a J Cutler type one, so he tried to calm the waters through Schefter.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;688546]When has Schefter put incorrect information out there related to Shanahan? Also, when has he ever furthered Shanahan's agenda? You don't think ESPN would discipline him for that?[/quote]

who said Schefter beleived the information was incorrect. Also, you dont realize that John Clayton also works for ESPN and he cited multiple sources who said Haynesworth was being shopped. So two ESPN analysts reported conflicting information. One sites several anonymous sources. The other cites an "anonymous" source who most definitely has an agenda. Its not hard to read between the lines.

[quote=CRedskinsRule;688549]I agree.
I would think that silence from Schefter would be more indicative of agreement with JLC's point, but I doubt Schefter would go out and play any part of a Shanahan media strategy using disinformation. My guess would be more so that Shanahan saw the media spinning away and possibly turning the situation into a J Cutler type one, so he tried to calm the waters through Schefter.[/quote]

except that the great smootmsack himself indicates that Shanahan is willing to trade Haynesworth at a below market value. And tons of other reporters out there cite sources saying the skins want to move him and they'd be surprised if he's on the roster. I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it for some reason, but all signs point to the skins moving Haynesworth if they reasonably can.

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Schefter is a professional who has worked and continues to work extremely hard at his job and to get where he is. He may be wrong, even the most experts of experts are wrong. And only Shanahan and Allen truly know what they want to do. But what they want to do may and has changed leading up to (and I'm sure during) the draft. But Schefter (nor JLC for that matter) is trying to push any sort of agenda.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688556]Schefter is a professional who has worked and continues to work extremely hard at his job and to get where he is. He may be wrong, even the most experts of experts are wrong. And only Shanahan and Allen truly know what they want to do. But what they want to do may and has changed leading up to (and I'm sure during) the draft. But Schefter (nor JLC for that matter) is trying to push any sort of agenda.[/quote]

i realize you may not have been responding directly to me, but I NEVER said or implied that [I]Schefter[/I] had an agenda - Shanahan's the one with the agenda. To be honest, i'd be rather disappointed in Shanahan if he wasn't employing a good amount of strategery. Its refreshing when compared to the Vinny/Zorn days - when everyone pretty much knew everything that they were going to do long before they did it. Would you mind clarifying that one point i asked about earlier? I trust the information you share from your sources more than any official media outlet.

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This is what needs to happen 1 or more of our so called team leaders should call AH & tell him you need to be here if they haven't already. AH is his own man but the call should be made anyway.

HTTR.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688552]who said Schefter beleived the information was incorrect. Also, you dont realize that John Clayton also works for ESPN and he cited multiple sources who said Haynesworth was being shopped. So two ESPN analysts reported conflicting information. One sites several anonymous sources. The other cites an "anonymous" source who most definitely has an agenda. Its not hard to read between the lines.[/quote]

I'll just repost what I did a few days ago, since it was missed:

The relationship between teams and the media is an admittedly complicated one. And the same media entity can have multiple sources within the same team making it even more complicated

Also, John Clayton did not say "actively shopping" he said "willing to part". And Schefter never said they aren't "willing to part" with Haynesworth. Like I said, they'll listen to offers for Haynesworth (more so than they would for say Devin Thomas) but they're not shopping him around.

[quote]except that the great smootmsack himself indicates that Shanahan is willing to trade Haynesworth at a below market value. And tons of other reporters out there cite sources saying the skins want to move him and they'd be surprised if he's on the roster. I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it for some reason, but all signs point to the skins moving Haynesworth if they reasonably can.[/quote]

Who's smootmsack? Anyhow see above. Actively shopping and willing to part with are not the same thing. They're simply not. What the Redskins are actively trying to do is improve the team

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;688561]This is what needs to happen 1 or more of our so called team leaders should call AH & tell him you need to be here if they haven't already. AH is his own man but the call should be made anyway.

HTTR.[/quote]

If Haynesworth isn't going to be traded, then he most definitely needs to be here. However, since all signs point to him being elsewhere, he'd only be a distraction. Plus, ever snap he doesnt take in the minicamp is a snap one of the other guys can get. no sense wasting energy on a guy who's not in the teams plans.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688564]I'll just repost what I did a few days ago, since it was missed:

The relationship between teams and the media is an admittedly complicated one. And the same media entity can have multiple sources within the same team making it even more complicated

Also, John Clayton did not say "actively shopping" he said "willing to part". And Schefter never said they aren't "willing to part" with Haynesworth. Like I said, they'll listen to offers for Haynesworth (more so than they would for say Devin Thomas) but they're not shopping him around.



[B]Who's smootmsack? Anyhow see above. Actively shopping and willing to part with are not the same thing. They're simply not. What the Redskins are actively trying to do is improve the team[/quote][/B]


This is the important part. Correct me if I am wrong, but Shanahan and Allen have basically said, directly or indirectly, that they are willing to move ANY player if the compensation is right.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688535]that statement seems somewhat contradictory. Saying Shanahan isnt "looking to unload" Haynesworth implies he either doesnt want to move him or doesn't really care either way. Stating that he "may settle for something a bit less than value" indicates he really want to move him, even if we don't get what we should. If either of the former statements were true, there would be no chance Shanahan would trade Haynesworth for anything less than value, wouldnt it?[/quote]

I should clarify, what I meant to write and I think I did later in the post was that he's not looking to unload him but will consider it at the best value. But I, SmootSmack, hope that he doesn't settle for lower value. Mainly because of other moves that haven't yet panned out, I just hope they don't get into desperation mode here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688525]I trust JLC more than I trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.[/quote]

I don't completely discount your theories on Schefter having a conflict of interest with the Redskins. However, I don't give any credence to any of JLC's ramblings about "league sources" and "people in the know" or any other code words he uses to descise the fact that he is just spouting out of his arse. I don't think either of them are a great source when it comes to breaking news on the redskins. I think Schefter can be the best source for Redskins information as long as it's information that the Redskins want leaked.

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[quote=Mattyk;688508]I would be happy if we could get a couple of 2nd rounders for AH like the Broncos got for Marshall.[/quote]

I would too. Hopefully we don't get too ancy and give him away. I'd rather him play for us this year. For god sake, he just got paid 20mill. You'd think he could suck it up and have a good attitude for a year.