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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;688722]- He was unanimously voted a captain at ND his Junior season.
- Golden Tate and other ND receivers supported him at his personal workout when they didn't have to, especially Tate. He had a great combine and ND Pro Day, he had nothing to gain from supporting Clausen.
- Yes, he looks like an emu. But hey, everyone has to have some flaw.
- Based on the comments on this board about Campbell, if he had gone out to bars in the DC area after a few games this year he probably would've gotten punched too.
- Speedo picture.....well Photoshop is not always a good thing.
-Is there a quote from a teammate or coach at ND questioning his leadership abilities? "Unnamed sources" don't count.
- Kiper has great inside access at the college level, if he had heard any of this stuff from a reliable source, he would've pulled back on his assessment of him.[/quote]

Get em Sammy.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;688722]- He was unanimously voted a captain at ND his Junior season.
- Golden Tate and other ND receivers supported him at his personal workout when they didn't have to, especially Tate. He had a great combine and ND Pro Day, he had nothing to gain from supporting Clausen.
- Yes, he looks like an emu. But hey, everyone has to have some flaw.
- Based on the comments on this board about Campbell, if he had gone out to bars in the DC area after a few games this year he probably would've gotten punched too.
- Speedo picture.....well Photoshop is not always a good thing.
-Is there a quote from a teammate or coach at ND questioning his leadership abilities? "Unnamed sources" don't count.
- Kiper has great inside access at the college level, if he had heard any of this stuff from a reliable source, he would've pulled back on his assessment of him.[/quote]

SS33, you're always very good at making your arguments. When Murphy196 speaks, I really don't hear anything of substance.

Again, nowhere in this thread have I said Jimmy Clausen will be a bad NFL QB.

Just because Golden Tate didn't throw him under the bus doesn't mean he's a good guy. After all, Clausen is a big part of the reason that Tate put up the numbers he did. Why turn around and crap on him? And why wouldn't the other receivers support him at the pro day? They get to workout in front of NFL scouts with a future 1st round pick throwing them passes.

Also, just because Kiper says so doesn't mean it's true/untrue. Schefter and McShay also both have great access in the football world, and they both confirm that there are legit question marks about his leadership ability and locker presence (or lack thereof).

Look, I'm a Tebow fan because I'm a Florida alum and he's the best athlete in our school's history. He's a winner, leader, and great kid. That said, I think Clausen will probably be a better NFL QB, however I think given the right situation, Tebow can succeed in the pros as well. I just don't like Calusen one bit, and I've stated my reasons why. It's pretty obvious that Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy all have better intangibles than Jimmy the Douche.

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SS33 for the win

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Also, Jimmy Clausen went 16-21 as a starter. I know it's a team sport, just saying. When's the last time a QB who lost 5 more games than he won was considered a possible top 5 pick?

You can argue that he's a good leader, but he certainly didn't rally the troops to very many victories.

Oh, side note- in his 3 seasons as a full time starter, Tebow went 35-6. ;)

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Boy I'll be glad when the draft is over, every time you sign on here now someones giving Tebow a blowjob, hey guess what HE WON'T BE A REDSKINS our QB is McNabb, get over it damn!

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[quote=Eknox;688740]Boy I'll be glad when the draft is over, every time you sign on here now someones giving Tebow a blowjob, hey guess what HE WON'T BE A REDSKINS our QB is McNabb, get over it damn![/quote]

Maybe you should learn to read before you mouth off. No one in this entire thread said anything about Tebow being a Redskin. Or Clausen for that matter.

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[quote=GMScud;688737]Also, Jimmy Clausen went 16-21 as a starter. I know it's a team sport, just saying. When's the last time a QB who lost 5 more games than he won is being considered a possible top 5 pick?

You can argue that he's a good leader, but he certainly didn't rally the troops to very many victories.

Oh, side note- in his 3 seasons as a full time starter, Tebow went 35-6. ;)[/quote]

Wins and losses at the college level doesn't mean very much as far as identifying quality pro prospects. Come on GM your bringing some weak stuff to the table in this thread.

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[quote=GMScud;688743]Maybe you should learn to read before you mouth off. No one in this entire thread said anything about Tebow being a Redskin. Or Clausen for that matter.[/quote]
I couldn't hear ya take Tebow's _ _ _ _ out of your mouth first Batch!

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[quote=GMScud;688737][B]Also, Jimmy Clausen went 16-21 as a starter. [/B]I know it's a team sport, just saying. When's the last time a QB who lost 5 more games than he won is being considered a possible top 5 pick?

You can argue that he's a good leader, but he certainly didn't rally the troops to very many victories.

Oh, side note- in his 3 seasons as a full time starter, Tebow went 35-6. ;)[/quote]

When you put up 30.1 PPG and 337.9 passing yards per game and lead multiple 4th quarter comebacks, well lets say I can live with that. I personally hate that stat in football. It's acceptable in hockey and baseball for Goalies and Pitchers but in football it just doesn't work. For example Drew Brees had an amazing statistical year in 2008 (5,069 Passing Yards 34 TD's 17 INT's) yet the Saints were 8-8. Does that make Brees an Average, middle of the road QB? No.

I do love me some Tebow though, and who wouldn't. If you can't root for a guy like Tebow then man, you don't like your own kids.

[quote=Eknox;688745]I couldn't hear ya take Tebow's _ _ _ _ out of your mouth first Batch![/quote]

WTF?

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Jevan Snead is neither a douche nor a bible thumper...and is 18-8 as a starter. I'm just sayin'

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688747]When you put up 30.1 PPG and 337.9 passing yards per game and lead multiple 4th quarter comebacks, well lets say I can live with that. I personally hate that stat in football. It's acceptable in hockey and baseball for Goalies and Pitchers but in football it just doesn't work. For example Drew Brees had an amazing statistical year in 2008 (5,069 Passing Yards 34 TD's 17 INT's) yet the Saints were 8-8. Does that make Brees an Average, middle of the road QB? No.

I do love me some Tebow though, and who wouldn't. If you can't root for a guy like Tebow then man, you don't like your own kids.



WTF?[/quote]
you're right, My bad apologies to you GM Scud, that was un called for on my part.

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[quote=Mattyk;688744]Wins and losses at the college level doesn't mean very much as far as identifying quality pro prospects. [B]Come on GM your bringing some weak stuff to the table in this thread[/B].[/quote]

Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688751]Jevan Snead is neither a douche nor a bible thumper...and is 18-8 as a starter. I'm just sayin'[/quote]

LOL. Snead doesn't pose in speedos either. Well, maybe... ;)

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Well at least he leads from the front?

[IMG]http://www.notredamesucks.org/clausen.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=GMScud;688754]Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.[/quote]

It's fine if you don't like him, but as biased as you are in your man love of Tebow you seem biased against Clausen in the opposite way.

Wins and losses are pretty irrelevant, especially when comparing schools like Notre Dame and Florida. They aren't on the same playing field as far as recruiting.

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[quote=eknox;688740]boy i'll be glad when the draft is over, every time you sign on here now someones giving tebow a blowjob, hey guess what he won't be a redskins our qb is mcnabb, get over it damn![/quote]

lol, awesome!

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Claussen reminds me of this guy.

[YT]K-VW1XZwF80[/YT]

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[quote=GMScud;688734]SS33, you're always very good at making your arguments. When Murphy196 speaks, I really don't hear anything of substance. [/quote]Thanks and LOL. I enjoy your posts also, plus we're on the same page a vast majority of the time. :)

[quote]Again, nowhere in this thread have I said Jimmy Clausen will be a bad NFL QB.[/quote]I know you didn't. You've been very fair in your assessment and statements about him....other than the douchiness. But some of the douchiness is warranted and Clausen has no one to blame but himself. That picture of him with the coat and rings on his signing day was incredibly stupid.

[quote]Just because Golden Tate didn't throw him under the bus doesn't mean he's a good guy. After all, Clausen is a big part of the reason that Tate put up the numbers he did. Why turn around and crap on him? And why wouldn't the other receivers support him at the pro day? They get to workout in front of NFL scouts with a future 1st round pick throwing them passes.[/quote]If Clausen was such an a-hole or "had leadership issues" I'm sure Tate and at least a couple of the other WRs would've had "scheduling conflicts" or "family issues" to attend to. They wouldn't have openly thrown him under the bus.

[quote]Also, just because Kiper says so doesn't mean it's true/untrue. Schefter and McShay also both have great access in the football world, and they both confirm that there are legit question marks about his leadership ability and locker presence (or lack thereof).[/quote]Schefter isn't a scout/talent evaluator, he's a reporter, so I couldn't care less what he thinks. I hate to quote a PFT article with "unnamed sources" but based on this it appears people who scout for a living have some questions about McShay, but not Kiper or Mayock.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/todd-mcshay-backlash-builds/"]Todd McShay backlash builds | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL]

[quote]Look, I'm a Tebow fan because I'm a Florida alum and he's the best athlete in our school's history. He's a winner, leader, and great kid. That said, I think Clausen will probably be a better NFL QB, however I think given the right situation, Tebow can succeed in the pros as well. I just don't like Calusen one bit, and I've stated my reasons why. It's pretty obvious that Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy all have better intangibles than Jimmy the Douche.[/quote]I understand your opinion about Tebow, although we don't share the same opinion of his translation into the NFL. But that transition problem will be a physical/technique/ability issue, not character. I also could be completely wrong and he makes the transition after 2-3 years.

On the intangibles, I think Bradford/McCoy are unknowns. Both come from big programs with superior talent and haven't been under the gun with equal or sub-par talent compared to their opponents. When McCoy was under the gun, he looked pretty bad (Big XII Championship). Bradford was average at best against Florida....I'm sure you saw that one.

I think freshman Clausen absolutely had leadership/maturity issues, Junior Clausen...not so much.

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[quote=Mattyk;688757]It's fine if you don't like him, but as biased as you are in your man love of Tebow you seem biased against Clausen in the opposite way.

Wins and losses are pretty irrelevant, especially when comparing schools like Notre Dame and Florida. They aren't on the same playing field as far as recruiting.[/quote]

I'm indifferent on Notre Dame football. They never play Florida, and like you said, we can out-recruit them in our sleep. I have no personal reason to like or dislike their program/players. But there hasn't been a QB that has rubbed my the wrong way like Clausen in a long time. It's not like I just woke up one day and said, you know, I'm gonna HATE Jimmy Clausen from this day forward.

I understand what everyone is saying about my wins-losses comment. Maybe I should have left that out. But I was thinking, when is the last time a QB who lost more than he won was considered a possible top 5 pick?

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Fixed the link for you Angry

Reminder to everyone:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/18793-how-to-embed-youtube-videos.html[/url]

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[quote=Angry;688761]Claussen reminds me of this guy.

[YT]K-VW1XZwF80[/YT][/quote]

A blank white screen?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688767]A blank white screen?[/quote]

Yeah it was a fail at first but it is obviously working now.

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[quote=GMScud;688755]LOL. Snead doesn't pose in speedos either. Well, maybe... ;)[/quote]

God, if McCoy's "Southern Drawl" was bad then you ain't a seen nuthin till you heard Jevan Snead speak I tell you what.

[quote=Angry;688769]Yeah it was a fail at first but it is obviously working now.[/quote]

Great, now I get a fail and your fail becomes an un-fail or something to that effect. I'm not sure of the technical definition.

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[quote=GMScud;688754]Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.[/quote]

The thing that sucked for Jimmy while he was at ND is that he never had a Defense that could stop anyone and hold a lead for his team. Jimmy did what he could to put them in a position to win a lot of ballgames, I mean you can't expect him to go out there on Defense too!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;688764]Thanks and LOL. I enjoy your posts also, plus we're on the same page a vast majority of the time. :)

I know you didn't. You've been very fair in your assessment and statements about him....other than the douchiness. But some of the douchiness is warranted and Clausen has no one to blame but himself. That picture of him with the coat and rings on his signing day was incredibly stupid.

If Clausen was such an a-hole or "had leadership issues" I'm sure Tate and at least a couple of the other WRs would've had "scheduling conflicts" or "family issues" to attend to. They wouldn't have openly thrown him under the bus.

Schefter isn't a scout/talent evaluator, he's a reporter, so I couldn't care less what he thinks. I hate to quote a PFT article with "unnamed sources" but based on this it appears people who scout for a living have some questions about McShay, but not Kiper or Mayock.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/todd-mcshay-backlash-builds/"]Todd McShay backlash builds | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL]

I understand your opinion about Tebow, although we don't share the same opinion of his translation into the NFL. But that transition problem will be a physical/technique/ability issue, not character. I also could be completely wrong and he makes the transition after 2-3 years.

On the intangibles, I think Bradford/McCoy are unknowns. Both come from big programs with superior talent and haven't been under the gun with equal or sub-par talent compared to their opponents. When McCoy was under the gun, he looked pretty bad (Big XII Championship). Bradford was average at best against Florida....I'm sure you saw that one.

I think freshman Clausen absolutely had leadership/maturity issues, Junior Clausen...not so much.[/quote]

All fair points.

As to what you said about how these QBs played against big time competition, Tebow did his damage against the murderer's row that is the SEC while Notre Dame was busy losing to Navy back to back years. I know that Tebow had superior talent around him at Florida, but he does have the experience of playing against SEC defenses under his belt. However I do think he's gonna need to ride an NFL bench behind an established starter for at least 2 years if he hopes to have success.

If I had to rank the top 4 QBs as far as how successful I think they'll be in the NFL, I go Bradford, Clausen, Tebow, McCoy.

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McShay's no less a scout than Kiper, he just hasn't been around as long as Kiper.

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A tip of the cap to Angry for keeping the mood light. LOL. That picture of Clausen in the speedo.... I'm speechless. I have no speech.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688783]McShay's no less a scout than Kiper, he just hasn't been around as long as Kiper.[/quote]Do you think the PFT thing on McShay is fair or pretty much BS?

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[quote=GMScud;688785]A tip of the cap to Angry for keeping the mood light. LOL. That picture of Clausen in the speedo.... I'm speechless. I have no speech.[/quote]From a USC site to a U of Mich site....as I said before Photoshop in the wrong hands.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/35623-2010-nfl-free-agency-rumors-reports-2.html#post673101[/URL]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;688793]Do you think the PFT thing on McShay is fair or pretty much BS?[/quote]

Which part exactly?

And it's not true that Mayock is the only one with access to the college tapes.

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Very interesting article about McShay

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[quote=SmootSmack;688803]Which part exactly?

And it's not true that Mayock is the only one with access to the college tapes.[/quote]These two statements: "Most people at my level feel he is a joke," a veteran NFL scout told us via e-mail.

"McShay does not have any good connections," the source opined. "Higher-ups in the league think he is an arrogant asshole. A know-it-all. And he really knows nothing.

Side-note: I would [U]almost [/U]vote for a Dem in the fall if I could get access to those college tapes. That would be awesome to break down full-field game tape all day long.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;688813]These two statements: "Most people at my level feel he is a joke," a veteran NFL scout told us via e-mail.

"McShay does not have any good connections," the source opined. "Higher-ups in the league think he is an arrogant asshole. A know-it-all. And he really knows nothing.

Side-note: I would [U]almost [/U]vote for a Dem in the fall if I could get access to those college tapes. That would be awesome to break down full-field game tape all day long.[/quote]

It's pretty bad ass to get see angles that the common television viewer never sees. And today I watched it in 3D!! Which actually wasn't as cool as I thought it would be.

I've never really had any problem with McShay (I personally think he's more into college football than pro football) but I can't say we've really interacted all that much. He's not a total ass like (I'm not really going to name names here) and he's not necessarily a go out of their way to chat with you good guy like Colin Cowherd (yeah that's right I said Cowher), Barry Melrose, or Jalen Rose. He's just McShay. I've never noticed him to be arrogant at all.

Does he have connections? At the college level, absolutely. At the pro level, yes but I'm sure they're not at the same level as Kiper.

McShay was not the only person to regard Snead highly going into last season. And he's not the only person to comment somewhat negatively on Clausen. Why he gets treated like he is the only one baffles me.

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[quote=GMScud;688754]Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.[/quote]
This mirrors my thoughts exactly. I'm with you on this one GMScud. :food-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;688825]It's pretty bad ass to get see angles that the common television viewer never sees. And today I watched it in 3D!! Which actually wasn't as cool as I thought it would be.

I've never really had any problem with McShay (I personally think he's more into college football than pro football) but I can't say we've really interacted all that much. He's not a total ass like (I'm not really going to name names here) and he's not necessarily a go out of their way to chat with you good guy like Colin Cowherd (yeah that's right I said Cowher), Barry Melrose, or Jalen Rose. He's just McShay. I've never noticed him to be arrogant at all.

Does he have connections? At the college level, absolutely. At the pro level, yes but I'm sure they're not at the same level as Kiper.

McShay was not the only person to regard Snead highly going into last season. And he's not the only person to comment somewhat negatively on Clausen. Why he gets treated like he is the only one baffles me.[/quote]

I know its none of my business. What do you do for a living? I read some of the things you post, you are really in the know and you get alot of respect on your insider knowledge, Im just curious

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^ Smootsmack works at ESPN. He is the Grand Poohbah there. He spends his day wearing a large crown, sitting on a throne, and receiving tribute from Bill Belichick.

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[quote=Lotus;688841]^ Smootsmack works at ESPN. He is the Grand Poohbah there. He spends his day wearing a large crown, sitting on a throne, and receiving tribute from Bill Belichick.[/quote]

Don't forget eating grapes fed by Hannah Storm.....bastard.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688825]It's pretty bad ass to get see angles that the common television viewer never sees. And today I watched it in 3D!! Which actually wasn't as cool as I thought it would be.[/quote]So I shouldn't be rushing out to get that 3D TV anytime soon, LOL.

[quote]I've never really had any problem with McShay (I personally think he's more into college football than pro football) but I can't say we've really interacted all that much. He's not a total ass like (I'm not really going to name names here) and he's not necessarily a go out of their way to chat with you good guy like Colin Cowherd (yeah that's right I said Cowher), Barry Melrose, or Jalen Rose. He's just McShay. I've never noticed him to be arrogant at all.

Does he have connections? At the college level, absolutely. At the pro level, yes but I'm sure they're not at the same level as Kiper.

McShay was not the only person to regard Snead highly going into last season. And he's not the only person to comment somewhat negatively on Clausen. Why he gets treated like he is the only one baffles me.[/quote]Fair enough. In that case, it sounds like some scout may just have an ax to grind.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688850]Don't forget eating grapes fed by Hannah Storm.....bastard.[/quote]

I bet she pills the grapes to.

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Jimmy Clausen threw his coaches under the bus, for the michigan game because he called 4 time out and had a delay of game because he said the coaches took to long to call the plays. I tell you he is a me first, piss on you type of guy.