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[quote=CRedskinsRule;689079]beat me to it:

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RT @JReidPost: Rocky McIntosh will not attend minicamp but hopes "we'll have a resolution soon." Sounds like a trade could be in works.[/quote]

Rocky has Marcus Washington disease and that is why he is not attending.

(for those that don't know of this medical disease, it afflects the mental area of linebackers and allows one to believe that he is really Laurence Taylor, even when he is not capable of generating sacks or making a pro bowl)

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We gave up a 2nd and a 6th for the chance to draft Rocky. I hope we get something similar in return...but I know we won't

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[quote=SmootSmack;689248]We gave up a 2nd and a 6th for the chance to draft Rocky. I hope we get something similar in return...but I know we won't[/quote]

Do you really think we'll trade Rocky? I would relish the opportunity to get back that 2nd rounder any way we can. We need DP's in the worst way.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689249]Do you really think we'll trade Rocky? I would relish the opportunity to get back that 2nd rounder any way we can. We need DP's in the worst way.[/quote]

Rocky had his best year last year, should be worth something.

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I believe that only Fletch, Mac, and Henson are inside linebackers, everyone else mentioned is an OLB or DE. Inside backer, especially with a switch to the 3-4 is a [U]Major[/U] [U]Need[/U] in my opinion. I don't see Fletch on the team next year, and he may not be effective in a 3-4 this year. Losing Rocky only compounds the weakness, and without Haynesworth also, our running D could be a sieve.

I personally don't like Spikes at all, he is a 1 down player and special teamer with his lack of speed. In my opinion, [B]Jamar Chaney[/B]-[I]Miss. St[/I], [B]Daryll Sharpton[/B]-[I]Mia U[/I], [B]Donald Butler[/B]-[I]Wash[/I], would fit our scheme as 3 down players, and should be available in the 4th-5th rounds.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689249]Do you really think we'll trade Rocky? I would relish the opportunity to get back that 2nd rounder any way we can. We need DP's in the worst way.[/quote]

I honestly thought Rocky would be the first one to go this off-season

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Watching Redskin Nation at the moment, L. Michael showing some good footage of the guys working out. A lot of guys in mini-camp.

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Is everyone there except AH, Mac, and JC?
3 guys that prob won't be on the team after next weekend.
I think the brass would accept a 2nd, a 4th, and a 5th for those 3.
Trying to figure out who else we can expect to be shipped out?

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[quote=jdc65;689258]Is everyone there except AH, Mac, and JC?
3 guys that prob won't be on the team after next weekend.
I think the brass would accept a 2nd, a 4th, and a 5th for those 3.
Trying to figure out who else we can expect to be shipped out?[/quote]

Possibly Andre Carter. He is best as a 4-3 DE.

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[quote=jdc65;689258]Is everyone there except AH, Mac, and JC?
3 guys that prob won't be on the team after next weekend.
I think the brass would accept a 2nd, a 4th, and a 5th for those 3.
Trying to figure out who else we can expect to be shipped out?[/quote]

Those three are the most noteable, there may be a few others but no big deal is being made of it if there is.

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[quote=jdc65;689258]Is everyone there except AH, Mac, and JC?
3 guys that prob won't be on the team after next weekend.
I think the brass would accept a 2nd, a 4th, and a 5th for those 3.
Trying to figure out who else we can expect to be shipped out?[/quote]

That's pretty sad if that's all you can get for them. We might as well hold on to them.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;689262]That's pretty sad if that's all you can get for them. We might as well hold on to them.[/quote]

I agree 100%. Addition by subtraction(division) is not where I hope we are heading.
I can accept only having 4 picks this year. Don't create a new hole to fill-in an old hole.

That didn't sound right, but it is apropos.

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Sorry, but personnel does have something to do with it. Sure Zorn sucked, but Gibbs wasn't so great with his core of players either. Gibbs next to last season was 5-11, only one better than Zorn's 4-12. I mean we had only one pro bowler last year in Fletch, and he was an alternate. I sure do hope our FO has some nice scheme in the works via trading JC and maybe even AH. We need more picks. I can see us trading down also. The draft is loaded with line talent, but if we get rid of Rocky we will need to get a new LB to replace him for sure on top of the one we already need to draft just for depth.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;689267]Sorry, but personnel does have something to do with it. Sure Zorn sucked, but Gibbs wasn't so great with his core of players either. Gibbs last season was 5-11, only one better than Zorn's 4-12. I mean we had only one pro bowler last year in Fletch, and he was an alternate. I sure do hope our FO has some nice scheme in the works via trading JC and maybe even AH. We need more picks. I can see us trading down also. The draft is loaded with line talent, but if we get rid of Rocky we will need to get a new LB to replace him for sure on top of the one we already need to draft just for depth.[/quote]

Orakpo was also a pro bowler, at least Gibbs was able to bring in guys He wanted unlike Zorn

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[quote=GusFrerotte;689267]Sorry, but personnel does have something to do with it. Sure Zorn sucked, but Gibbs wasn't so great with his core of players either. [B]Gibbs last season was 5-11,[/B] only one better than Zorn's 4-12. I mean we had only one pro bowler last year in Fletch, and he was an alternate. I sure do hope our FO has some nice scheme in the works via trading JC and maybe even AH. We need more picks. I can see us trading down also. The draft is loaded with line talent, but if we get rid of Rocky we will need to get a new LB to replace him for sure on top of the one we already need to draft just for depth.[/quote]

Gibbs' last season was 9-7. But I agree with what you've said here.

Ultimately, Rocky has been part of a team that has been middle of the pack at best, or downright bad. The personnel that Shanahan and Allen are sifting through are not their guys, they are Vinny's guys.

As far as I'm concerned, 90% of the roster could be completely turned upside down and I wouldn't shed a tear. It's a 4-12 team we're talking about after all.

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[quote=Beemnseven;689271]Gibbs' last season was 9-7. But I agree with what you've said here.

Ultimately, Rocky has been part of a team that has been middle of the pack at best, or downright bad. The personnel that Shanahan and Allen are sifting through are not their guys, they are Vinny's guys.

As far as I'm concerned, 90% of the roster could be completely turned upside down and I wouldn't shed a tear. It's a 4-12 team we're talking about after all.[/quote]

I still say that Gibbs 2007 team was a Super Bowl contender rolling into the playoffs. Unfortunately a few bad bounces took the Seahawks game away from us and we ended up going home early.

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Are there tryout players at camp. I saw a guy named Britt on the oline.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689152]I would think that Spikes would make a fine ILB, especially in the 4th round. He's not an explosive speedster but between the hashmarks I think he's skilled enough and smart enough to hold his own.

Also, I think people are getting carried away with this whole 3-4 thing. We're not going to be running a 3-4 100% of the time[/quote]

As much as I want Spikes and as badly as he's done at the combine...I say he goes in the third..

Why aren't people even thinking/mentioning Robert Henson, he fits that Middle/Outside LB mould and thats what some good 3-4 MLB's are.
On a side note why would we have Gholston play NT. I thought thats what we brought Kemo in here to do.

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Is it just me or are Laron's shoulders an arms retarded big? Like that is all he worked out and don't make him piss big? Anyways I hope it makes him tackle better unless he is traded, and Rocky come on bro the being a RFA sucks for a lot of people.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;689288]As much as I want Spikes and as badly as he's done at the combine...I say he goes in the third..

[B]Why aren't people even thinking/mentioning Robert Henson, he fits that Middle/Outside LB mould and thats what some good 3-4 MLB's are[/B].
On a side note why would we have Gholston play NT. I thought thats what we brought Kemo in here to do.[/quote]

I'll be interested to hear what the new staff thinks of him. After his twitter incident last year it's like he fell off the face of the earth.

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That photo posted of him makes him look like a LB.

Dude looks massive.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;689308]That photo posted of him makes him look like a LB.

Dude looks massive.[/quote]

Roids? HGH?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;689271]Gibbs' last season was 9-7. But I agree with what you've said here.

Ultimately, Rocky has been part of a team that has been middle of the pack at best, or downright bad. The personnel that Shanahan and Allen are sifting through are not their guys, they are Vinny's guys.

As far as I'm concerned, 90% of the roster could be completely turned upside down and I wouldn't shed a tear. It's a 4-12 team we're talking about after all.[/QUOTE

I think what most people are shook-up about is the fact that the players whose names have been mentioned in trades, are players that based on where they were drafted we won't get equal compensation for.

Rocky was a 2nd...Jason was a 1st..& AH was a 1st, the 15th player picked. Based on what is being speculated we'll get in return for these players is off the wall. I agree with SFREDSKIN geting in return 4th & 5th rounders is paramount to us just giving them away. Granted we were a 4-12 team last year (though some would argue we're better than that) but we shouldn't just virtually give away our best players.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;689089]There's going to be a shortage of LB's on the roster if McIntosh and Carter are traded, Fletcher is getting up there in age. I'm a little worried, time to rethink the draft.[/quote]


I would say time to rethink the 3-4.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;689099]LaRon and Chris Horton
[IMG]http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_11cba09[/IMG][/quote]


Laron looks like a comic book character! Obviously he hasn't been sitting on his ass like most of the people who want to dump him for a bag of peanuts...

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[quote=tryfuhl;689105]“I think, so far, there has been a ‘Let’s get this thing right’ attitude,’" Hicks, one of the Redskins’ free agent pickups, said. "Phillip Daniels’ locker is right next to mine and the first thing he said to me when I introduced myself to him was, ‘It’s time to get this thing right.’

Daniels has become one of my fave Skins over the past few years.[/quote]


Daniels is a beast.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689199]Skins are actually planning to implement some 4-2-5 defensive schemes. I think maybe Texas A&M or TCU runs it?[/quote]


Isn't Henson a master of the 4-2-5? lol

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;689262]That's pretty sad if that's all you can get for them. We might as well hold on to them.[/quote]

No doubt. That is pathetic.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689091]We're stealing Brandon Spikes in the 4th round anyway...that's not some sort of inside info by the way, just speculating on my part

LB is definitely a position we need to address. And I'm really curious about how HB Blades fits in[/quote]

Do you really think Spikes will still be on the board when we pick in the 4th round? I dont think so.

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[quote=FRPLG;689136]This is why I don't like the switch to the 3-4. We're basically having to completely retool a defense that was more than adequate before. I agree it needed more punch and takeaway ability but to essentially start gutting immediately when our offense is in need of such great focus is disappointing. Seems like a less than ideal way of going about this. Might as well just cut the whole team and start over.[/quote]

When your team is 4-12 and the defense ranks at the bottom in turnovers its safe to say no players or scheme is set in stone. Our defense was overated and they did not make plays when it really matter. Hello remember the Saints game.

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[quote=Beemnseven;689271]Gibbs' last season was 9-7. But I agree with what you've said here.

Ultimately, Rocky has been part of a team that has been middle of the pack at best, or downright bad. The personnel that Shanahan and Allen are sifting through are not their guys, they are Vinny's guys.

As far as I'm concerned, 90% of the roster could be completely turned upside down and I wouldn't shed a tear. It's a 4-12 team we're talking about after all.[/quote]


Yeah my screw up. I always get the 2006 and 2007 records messed up.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689312][QUOTE=Beemnseven;689271]Gibbs' last season was 9-7. But I agree with what you've said here.

Ultimately, Rocky has been part of a team that has been middle of the pack at best, or downright bad. The personnel that Shanahan and Allen are sifting through are not their guys, they are Vinny's guys.

As far as I'm concerned, 90% of the roster could be completely turned upside down and I wouldn't shed a tear. It's a 4-12 team we're talking about after all.[/QUOTE

I think what most people are shook-up about is the fact that the players whose names have been mentioned in trades, are players that based on where they were drafted we won't get equal compensation for.

Rocky was a 2nd...Jason was a 1st..& AH was a 1st, the 15th player picked. Based on what is being speculated we'll get in return for these players is off the wall. I agree with SFREDSKIN geting in return 4th & 5th rounders is paramount to us just giving them away. Granted we were a 4-12 team last year (though some would argue we're better than that) but we shouldn't just virtually give away our best players.[/quote]

We will get decent compensation for JC and AH. No first rounders but maybe a 2nd rounder or two for each. That to me isn't to shabby. AH was the dumbest acquisition that Snyder has ever done for the money he paid out. Even the Bruce Smith deal wasn't half as bad as that. It makes me wonder if the McNabb deal is going to be worth it.

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I'm concerned about our LB's for the 3-4 defense, none of them have played in a 3-4 defense. Are we serious about making Jarmon a LB in the 3-4 wow I dont see that working. Do we have any LBs that can cover a TE on the roster. We face Witten. Boss and Brent Celleck ( Eagles) twice a year how do we match up with them? We are moving Rock Alexander, Jarmon to LBs this is going to be a learning curve for both of them. I say we need to draft or aquire some rookies in the draft or undrafted rookie free agents with some expierence.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;689251]Rocky had his best year last year, should be worth something.[/quote]
Still wasn't anything to write home about.

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[quote=tryfuhl;689331]Still wasn't anything to write home about.[/quote]

Oh, ok.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;689310]Roids? HGH?[/quote]
youth, proper diet, nutrition, etc

I know plenty of guys that got like that and bigger naturally, it takes dedication and discipline.. most people don't put that much into it

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;689317]Isn't Henson a master of the 4-2-5? lol[/quote]
nice connection there

no wonder why we're doing it, basing the schemes around the talent!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;689118]He's got to be more inventive than Blache, but I don't think anyone would rank Haslett among the more creative DC's in the league. Hopefully i'm wrong, but I expect our defense to pretty much be a disaster.[/quote]

I am concerned as well. I feel like this change is being made to suit the DC and his scheme more than what is best for the team. Plus Haslett has never really impressed me. If this were some stud DC coming in I would say do whatever you want. But he is not a stud DC.
Our team roster is built to play the 4-3 and we play it well. This change seems forced.
This reminds me of Gibbs arrival back in 81. After going 0-5 Gibbs made the smart move of changing his scheme from Air-Coryell pass happy to a power running game when he saw his O-line and Rb's were the strength of his roster. That took some humility to do that.
Does Haslett and Shanahan have that in them?

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^ I still think we're overplaying the idea of the 3-4. All they're talking about is incorporating it into their scheme, not a complete switch over.

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[quote=Defensewins;689343]I am concerned as well. I feel like this change is being made to suit the DC and his scheme more than what is best for the team. Plus Haslett has never really impressed me. If this were some stud DC coming in I would say do whatever you want. But he is not a stud DC.
Our team roster is built to play the 4-3 and we play it well. This change seems forced.
This reminds me of Gibbs arrival back in 81. After going 0-5 Gibbs made the smart move of changing his scheme from Air-Coryell pass happy to a power running game when he saw his O-line and Rb's were the strength of his roster. That took some humility to do that.
Does Haslett and Shanahan have that in them?[/quote]

I've been trying to understand the fascination with the 3-4. It was my hope we would improve on what we had as opposed to implementing an entire new scheme without the personnel to make it work. It may not be a bad idea to incooperate some 3-4 concepts, but as a staple the pieces are not there.