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[quote=44ever;766080][B]In all fairness to AH, the Redskins probably ruined his career.[/B] He was doing just fine before we got our hands on him. He was worth 100 mill when we got him, now we take whatever we can get for him. Only the Skins can do that to a player like AH. Pathetic if you ask me.[/quote]

What?? Haynesworth had one truly dominant year, which was a contract year. He cashed in on that year and Cerrato's stupidity to the tune of a mountain of guaranteed $$, and proceeded to half ass it from there. He wanted to get paid. As soon as he did, he reverted right back to being the malcontent ass-bag he's always been.

Haynesworth has made his own bed. All we did was overpay him.

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[quote=firstdown;766098]I'd make his ass practice and show up and play until the end of the year. Why just release him now so some other team could sign him to make a push for the SB. I mean we know the guy can play when he wants and I'm sure some team would be willing to sign him for the rest of the year. I could also see AH wanting to play so he could maybe get to a SB.[/quote]

Or we could release and focus on rebuilding this team and quit the petty distractions.

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[quote=44ever;766080][B]In all fairness to AH, the Redskins probably ruined his career.[/B] He was doing just fine before we got our hands on him. He was worth 100 mill when we got him, now we take whatever we can get for him. Only the Skins can do that to a player like AH. Pathetic if you ask me.[/quote]

Haynesworth ruined his own career. I have no sympathy for him and don't care about his career. But his theatrics should not detract from the fact that the team should've gotten rid of him a long time ago.

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[quote=Ruhskins;766096]Regardless of who's in charge, we don't seem to handle anyone well. I agree that he's done all of this to himself, I just don't know why must he be kept in this limbo. Either play him or cut him, this should've been done a long time ago.[/quote]

I agree completely that signing a guy with "personality issues" and "work ethic questions" to a contract with $40+M guaranteed was dumb.

Any psychologist will tell you that the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior - - AH's past behaviors were not worth a $40+M investment.

Having said all that, what is the benefit [B]to the Redskins [/B]of cutting him in mid-season?

They save a few game checks - - a pittance compared to the $21M they forked over to this guy about 9 months ago.

They free him up to make a deal with a team going to the playoffs - - boy, that'll show him who's the boss.

They rid the team of a "distraction" - - and miraculously the rest of the squad immediately blossoms and starts beating all opponents by 4 TDs. Not happening...

Albert Haynesworth should never have been signed - - no matter how much of a "beast" folks here pronounced him to be and no matter how big a splash he made in the annual Danny Boy Snyder free agency PR campaign. Now that he is here and the team has paid him, they need to keep him away from the team and away from free agency for the rest of the season.

The best way to do that is to do what Andy Reid did with Terrell Owens in Philly. Send him home to do sit-ups in his driveway. The picture of AH doing pushups in his driveway would at least provide comic relief for the season...

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I'd like to stomp on his face.

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I wish the reporters wouldn't bring this crap up unless he's going to be cut. 75% chance?? To me this is just bad reporting.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;766106]I agree completely that signing a guy with "personality issues" and "work ethic questions" to a contract with $40+M guaranteed was dumb.

Any psychologist will tell you that the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior - - AH's past behaviors were not worth a $40+M investment.

Having said all that, what is the benefit [B]to the Redskins [/B]of cutting him in mid-season?

They save a few game checks - - a pittance compared to the $21M they forked over to this guy about 9 months ago.

They free him up to make a deal with a team going to the playoffs - - boy, that'll show him who's the boss.

They rid the team of a "distraction" - - and miraculously the rest of the squad immediately blossoms and starts beating all opponents by 4 TDs. Not happening...

Albert Haynesworth should never have been signed - - no matter how much of a "beast" folks here pronounced him to be and no matter how big a splash he made in the annual Danny Boy Snyder free agency PR campaign. Now that he is here and the team has paid him, they need to keep him away from the team and away from free agency for the rest of the season.

The best way to do that is to do what Andy Reid did with Terrell Owens in Philly. Send him home to do sit-ups in his driveway. The picture of AH doing pushups in his driveway would at least provide comic relief for the season...[/quote]

This.

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They're not going to release Haynesworth without getting something for him. You can't pay a guy that kind of money and then just cut him. He may not be back next season, but they'll have ample time to work something out.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;766095]For what it's worth, the sports junkies were saying other players on the team said haynesworth was hung over friday morning. a guy called in to the show and said haynesworth was at The tap room at 130 the night previous night. I know this just qualifies as a rumor but if it's true, its disgraceful.[/quote]

:laughing2 I believe it. He's already been paid most of the 40 mil. He holds all the cards with the Redskins. Snyder has to be furious. One of the worst free agent signings of all time.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;766106]Having said all that, what is the benefit [B]to the Redskins [/B]of cutting him in mid-season?

They save a few game checks - - a pittance compared to the $21M they forked over to this guy about 9 months ago.

They free him up to make a deal with a team going to the playoffs - - boy, that'll show him who's the boss.

[B]They rid the team of a "distraction" - - and miraculously the rest of the squad immediately blossoms and starts beating all opponents by 4 TDs. Not happening... [/B]

The best way to do that is to do what Andy Reid did with Terrell Owens in Philly. Send him home to do sit-ups in his driveway. The picture of AH doing pushups in his driveway would at least provide comic relief for the season...[/quote]

I've said it that getting rid of Haynesworth doesn't fix all the problems that this team has. However, keeping him the way that Shanahan has kept him, hasn't done the team any good. You either play him or cut him, that should've been the attitude from the get go. Who cares if he goes to another team? That shouldn't be a team concern right, they should just cut him, and stop getting all this stupid press about a guy that's been a bust for us.

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[quote=Longtimefan;766115]They're not going to release Haynesworth without getting something for him.[/quote]

I doubt any team will pony up even a 7th rounder at this point.


[quote=Longtimefan;766115]You can't pay a guy that kind of money and then just cut him.[/quote]

If the team was willing to use him as a plugging NT, then why not just cut your losses and let him go?

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PD's thoughts reflect, as I've heard it, basically the entire locker room now re: AH

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/daniels-haynesworth-its-dragging-us-down]Daniels on Haynesworth: It's dragging us down | Washington Examiner[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;766115]They're not going to release Haynesworth without getting something for him. You can't pay a guy that kind of money and then just cut him. He may not be back next season, but they'll have ample time to work something out.[/quote]

Redskins - - under the leadership of Danny Boy Snyder - - have a long history of paying players to come here and then cutting/releasing them for nothing.

The pattern works over a decade of Redskins' history; there is no reason to believe it cannot happen again.


And by the way, since the Skins and AH have been so public in their [I]contretemps[/I], what would be the incentive for another team to "work something out" with the Skins to acquire Haynesworth? It isn't as if there are a bunch of GMs out there who think that everything is hunky-dory between Haynesworth and the folks who run the team...

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The Redskins should sue his ass and recoup some cash back, then trade him or cut his fat ass. I'm sure they could find a reason to sue his ass, such as not performing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;766127]PD's thoughts reflect, as I've heard it, basically the entire locker room now re: AH

[URL="http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/daniels-haynesworth-its-dragging-us-down"]Daniels on Haynesworth: It's dragging us down | Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]

Yeah he needs to be told to stay away from the team until the season is over. Then sever the cord.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;766133]The Redskins should sue his ass and recoup some cash back, then trade him or cut his fat ass. I'm sure they could find a reason to sue his ass, such as not performing.[/quote]

I'm no lawyer, but its not that easy. Plus, big Al would have the union fighting tooth and nail for him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;766127]PD's thoughts reflect, as I've heard it, basically the entire locker room now re: AH

[URL="http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/daniels-haynesworth-its-dragging-us-down"]Daniels on Haynesworth: It's dragging us down | Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]

I respect PD cause he's a true pro and I like the way he goes about his business. But to be honest he's part of the reason why this team isn't any good. Calling out AH is fine but having solid locker room guys don't win football games.

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[quote=SmootSmack;766127]PD's thoughts reflect, as I've heard it, basically the entire locker room now re: AH

[URL="http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/daniels-haynesworth-its-dragging-us-down"]Daniels on Haynesworth: It's dragging us down | Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]

Can't sum it up any better than this:


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][LEFT][COLOR=#000000][B]On if Shanahan didn’t put the team first by benching Haynesworth:[/B]
[/COLOR][/LEFT]
“I think it’s the other way around. I think he puts the team first because he won’t let one guy come in here and destroy what we have. You put the team first when you think about the future and the things we have to do. If you don’t practice, you don’t play and that’s putting the team first and giving us the best chance to go out and be successful. He has to understand that. Coach Shanahan is doing a good job of that. He knew what we were missing last year. He knew we missed a lot of practices. The first thing they looked at when they came here, I bet, was how many practices everyone missed. You’ve got to change something. You can’t just sit there and keep letting it happen. That’s what he’s trying to do.”

[/COLOR][/LEFT]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;766133]The Redskins should sue his ass and recoup some cash back, then trade him or cut his fat ass. I'm sure they could find a reason to sue his ass, such as not performing.[/quote]

He's got the Redskins by the balls. Nothing they can do except cut their losses.

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[quote=GMScud;766135]Yeah he needs to be told to stay away from the team until the season is over. Then sever the cord.[/quote]

a la Keyshawn Johnson???

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[quote=skinsfan69;766145]He's got the Redskins by the balls. Nothing they can do except cut their losses.[/quote]

How about taking the $20 Mil and not performing up to the contract? There's got to be something written into the contract somewhere, a loophole.

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[quote=Mattyk;766142]Can't sum it up any better than this:


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][LEFT][COLOR=#000000][B]On if Shanahan didn’t put the team first by benching Haynesworth:[/B]
[/COLOR][/LEFT]
“I think it’s the other way around. I think he puts the team first because he won’t let one guy come in here and destroy what we have. You put the team first when you think about the future and the things we have to do. If you don’t practice, you don’t play and that’s putting the team first and giving us the best chance to go out and be successful. He has to understand that. Coach Shanahan is doing a good job of that. He knew what we were missing last year. He knew we missed a lot of practices. The first thing they looked at when they came here, I bet, was how many practices everyone missed. You’ve got to change something. You can’t just sit there and keep letting it happen. That’s what he’s trying to do.”

[/COLOR][/LEFT][/quote]

That all sounds good, but the fact remains that this team is no better than last year. Everybody always back the coach. Then why don't they go out their and lay it on the line? Shanny/AH feud has nothing to do with their inability to tackle.

Nothing against Daniel, but let's not use the AH situation as a scapegoat for yet another disasterous season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;766147]How about taking the $20 Mil and not performing up to the contract? There's got to be something written into the contract somewhere, a loophole.[/quote]

Define performing up to the contract.

Unless there are specifics in his contract regarding performance, good luck with that.

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Shanahan is coaching the players he has. Some were left overs from the past and some he brought in WITH Bruce Allen. Allen is the catalyst here. The culture of the team can be changed partially by the coach and by the GM. The coach can affect change on and off the field in terms of actual "football". The GM can contribute to that change by the type of players he brings in through free agency and the draft. I'm willing to give that process a few years. Firing AH and anyone else HAS to go through Allen. Shanahan has some say, but ultimately Bruce holds the keys.

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I don't think he'll be released this season, but if we can't find a suitable trade offer this offseason I would play the cards and bet that he would want to prove his time with the Redskins is an anomaly, so he might play his heart out next season and have another great season, and if he did, than that might be a 3rd round compensation draft pick for us, which might be better than anything offered in a trade!

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I bet he gets shipped back to the Titans and we take whatever they give us.

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[quote=DM72;766149]That all sounds good, but the fact remains that this team is no better than last year. Everybody always back the coach. Then why don't they go out their and lay it on the line? Shanny/AH feud has nothing to do with their inability to tackle.

Nothing against Daniel, but let's not use the AH situation as a scapegoat for yet another disasterous season.[/quote]

So you figured with a new coach and a new GM things would change in one year?

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[quote=Mattyk;766165]I bet he gets shipped back to the Titans and we take whatever they give us.[/quote]

I think it's funny you still have Todd Collins on your avatar.

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[quote=Mattyk;766160]Define performing up to the contract.

Unless there are specifics in his contract regarding performance, good luck with that.[/quote]

I couldn't tell you, I would imagine there has to be something written in the contract.

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[quote=dblanch66;766167]I think it's funny you still have Todd Collins on your avatar.[/quote]

I switch it up pretty often, just my flavor for this week. Hey why not, he led our last playoff run with some of the better QB play we've seen in recent memory around here. Good times.

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[quote=Mattyk;766169]Still? I switch it up pretty often, just my flavor for this week[/quote]

ok. but...Collins? Really? (Seth Meyers style) Really?

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[quote=dblanch66;766170]ok. but...Collins? Really? (Seth Meyers style) Really?[/quote]

Monk retired how long ago? I mean really? Really?

j/k

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[quote=firstdown;766166]So you figured with a new coach and a new GM things would change in one year?[/quote]

thats a pretty vauge question, but yes. things should definitly change and you should see some sort of improvement. they really made a bad call in saying they were not rebuilding imo. they should have just cut their loses at the begining of this season instead of wasting another year trying to patch somthing together. hindsight is 20-20 and all we can do now is sit back and wait, we aren't gonna be very competetive for atleast two years imo

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[quote=Mattyk;766032]He clearly has to go, if not now then once the curtain falls on our season get him outta here.[/quote]


Would it be possible to put him on IR and thus keep him from other teams but off the current roster?

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[quote=Mattyk;766171]Monk retired how long ago? I mean really? Really?

j/k[/quote]
:cheeky-sm Nice.

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[quote=Giantone;766175]Would it be possible to put him on IR and thus keep him from other teams but off the current roster?[/quote]


if we don't play him then this would be a great idea if it's possible

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[quote=Giantone;766175]Would it be possible to put him on IR and thus keep him from other teams but off the current roster?[/quote]

Put him on IR due to him being a "head case" "psychological" reasons.

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[quote=SmootSmack;766127]PD's thoughts reflect, as I've heard it, basically the entire locker room now re: AH

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/daniels-haynesworth-its-dragging-us-down]Daniels on Haynesworth: It's dragging us down | Washington Examiner[/url][/quote]

Great article. Thanks for posting.

I totally agree with everything Daniels says, and I really feel bad for him and guys like London Fletcher. These guys are classic overachievers, who work their asses off and get nothing in return -- not even equal effort from their teammates. Shanahan has no choice -- he can't play Haynesworth, because he doesn't put forth enough effort -- wins be damned. I welcome this attitude. If we're going to lose, let's do it with dignity.

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[quote=Giantone;766175]Would it be possible to put him on IR and thus keep him from other teams but off the current roster?[/quote]

He could be suspended a la Keyshawn or TO.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;766095]For what it's worth, the sports junkies were saying other players on the team said haynesworth was hung over friday morning. a guy called in to the show and said haynesworth was at The tap room at 130 the night previous night. I know this just qualifies as a rumor but if it's true, its disgraceful.[/quote]My brother has seen Fat Albert on multiple occasions drinking into the wee hours at Reston Town Center (Jackson's and American Tap Room), so my first impression when I heard that he was sick was that he was probably hung over. Time to pull the plug on the whole situation. Everyone knew that he was of questionable character before we signed him. We probably could have used that money to bolster our O-line two off-seasons ago, but that's water under the bridge.