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[quote=skinsfaninok;803460]thank god. [B]What a bust[/B][/quote]

As much as I agree with what people are saying about him on this message board, this I disagree with. A bust is someone who never lived up to his potential. He lived up to his potential most of the time. Also, he's still playing a few years after getting drafted, and will be a sought out FA. A bust from that draft is someone like:
Alex Smith
Erasmus James
Cadillac Williams
Pacman Jones
Troy Williamson
David Pollack
Matt Jones

And by the way, coming out of college Rogers did get noticed for "drops interceptions" by scouts, so it's not like we never saw this coming.
Bottom line, hold off on the he's a bust talk.

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[quote=Paintrain;803485]Kick rocks ya bum.. [B]Another wasted draft pick by Vinny with DeMarcus Ware and Aaron Rodgers on the board.[/B] Rogers is a scrub, if he was wearing any other jersey than ours the past few seasons nobody around here would be craving him as a FA corner if we had a need. There are VERY few Redskins players I've disliked in my fandom years but this clown definitely qualifies.[/quote]

Yes, but it's not like anyone, Vinny or not, saw those two players being potential all pro's. It's not like in the 2000 draft we should have drafted Tom Brady at 198 instead of Matt Bowen..you see what I'm getting at here.

Also I wish we had drafted Rogers instead of Campbell, but Oh well.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;803490]Yes, but it's not like anyone, Vinny or not, saw those two players being potential all pro's. It's not like in the 2000 draft we should have drafted Tom Brady at 198 instead of Matt Bowen..you see what I'm getting at here.

Also I wish we had drafted Rogers instead of Campbell, but Oh well.[/quote]

Are you kidding? Rodgers was in contention to be a top 10 pick. Ware and Merriman were both highly rated pass rushers at the time. Go back and review history of that draft my man.

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Agree that he's not a bust, but I'm not sure scouts knew he had trouble with interceptions back in college

[url=http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&nid=1427048]Scout.com: Carlos Rogers Profile[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;803407]I've brought it up several times here, and it's mentioned in this article as well. What is driving this as much as anything else is the fact that Rogers is beyond broke. Well, he was at least. I think he's in a bit of better shape now, but he is really looking for the money above all else.[/quote]

Yep. This is all about money.

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I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=Daseal;803506]I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.[/quote]

couldn't agree more. i like to get on los for missing some int's, but he is a damn good cover corner. it's a shame when never took care of him before, this wouldn't even be an issue.

it's funny how people on this board rant and rave about building from the ground up just to say ah screw carlos we can find someone better, really? what is happening with los will hopefully cease to happen anymore, we never pay the good young talent we draft, we just pay up once and ship em out for the next guy. it's a shame los feels the way he does, i would love nothing more than for him to be a redskins lifer.

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[quote=SmootSmack;803411]I don't think the fact that he simply couldn't catch interceptions should just be dismissed. He is a very good corner, but he wants to be paid like a great one. Great ones are game changers, never felt Los was one[/quote]

well put.

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[quote=Defensewins;803406]I agree with Ruhskins and Skinfan69, Carlos Rogers has been mistreated by the less knowledgeable fans and media. To say he is abysmal is wrong.
Carlos has played on some really terrible Redskins teams that had a terrible offense and no defensive line. Our run stopping last year was a joke. But [B]Carlos drops a couple of INT's and he is the bad guy. [/B]
[B]Carlos is an athletic NFL cover corner. They do not grow on trees and there aren't that many CB's out there as good as him at covering a top NFL WR. The dropeed int's is over blown considering how good the rest of his game is. [/B]
[B]That would be like rating DE's and LB's solely on sacks. Oh wait they already do that. That is a mistake[/B].[/quote]

Great post. Sometimes I wonder if people around realize that it's the corners job to COVER first.

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[quote=SmootSmack;803407]I've brought it up several times here, and it's mentioned in this article as well. What is driving this as much as anything else is the fact that [B]Rogers is beyond broke. Well, he was at least. I think he's in a bit of better shape now, but he is really looking for the money above all else.[/quote][/B]

Sometimes I wish the media would just leave this type of stuff alone. It's really no ones business what kind of financial shape the guy is in. If he brought it up then fine, but I don't think that was the case cause I remember an article on Post.com.

And whether he was broke or not, wouldn't most of us try and get as much $ as we could if we were in his shoes? Especially if you felt you were being low balled. I know I would. Bottom line is the guy is going to get a big raise and it's well deserved.

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I'm not in favor of Carlos moving on, unless of course his asking price is simply unrealistic. He's a good pass defender with an annoying habit of playing two games at once: Football and Hot Potato.

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[quote=skinsfan69;803513]Great post. Sometimes I wonder if people around realize that it's the corners job to COVER first.[/quote]

Agreed, but I think his inability to catch interceptions prevented him from being a top corner in the league. Rogers was a top ten pick, and I think you'd expect him to being a game changing corner if he's picked that high. He never became that type of player.

The bottom line is that he wants more money, and while he's been a solid corner, he probably is not worth the money he is looking for. Unfortunately, Rogers and Hall compliment each other, and unless we get a suitable replacement, our CB play will be affected greatly. For the cafeteria fans out there, I strongly believe that the same would happen if Hall were to leave and we didn't find a suitable replacement to compliment Rogers. But I'm sure the cafeteria fans won't care about this and be ready for a season of D. Hall bitching sessions.

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[quote=skinsfan69;803515][/B]

Sometimes I wish the media would just leave this type of stuff alone. It's really no ones business what kind of financial shape the guy is in. If he brought it up then fine, but I don't think that was the case cause I remember an article on Post.com.

And whether he was broke or not, wouldn't most of us try and get as much $ as we could if we were in his shoes? Especially if you felt you were being low balled. I know I would. Bottom line is the guy is going to get a big raise and it's well deserved.[/quote]

I get what you're saying I think, but if the media hadn't covered it then we would just think he was all about the money. It's understandable if someone makes a decision that gets their life back in order, living w/lots od debt isn't fun. So I agree it isn't any of our business, but at least by knowing this I'll have more empathy & understanding of his wanting to leave, assuming he really can make a lot more elsewhere.

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[quote=skinsfan69;803515][/B]

Sometimes I wish the media would just leave this type of stuff alone. It's really no ones business what kind of financial shape the guy is in. If he brought it up then fine, but I don't think that was the case cause I remember an article on Post.com.

And whether he was broke or not, wouldn't most of us try and get as much $ as we could if we were in his shoes? Especially if you felt you were being low balled. I know I would. Bottom line is the guy is going to get a big raise and it's well deserved.[/quote]

The media has left it alone. This is something the media knew about for months but never said it a word. And it's still not really ever brought up. When he attended a court hearing it was the first time the media did any sort of story on it. And it was just cut and dry info about the court hearing.

It would be interesting though if we simply never reported on the salaries these players make.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=Daseal;803506]I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.[/quote]

Why not Kevin Barnes? Why are we so quick to dismiss Barnes, yet it's a problem to say Rogers has disappointed in his time here

[quote]2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.[/quote]

I don't have the number in front of me but I believe Los was targeted as many times as Hall, if not more. Though I may be mixing up years. But anyhow, the best corners do win games. And Rogers wants to be paid like one of the best

[quote]3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.[/quote]

But he doesn't want top 30 money. If he did, I suppose he'd be totally happy with his salary

[quote]4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.[/quote]

I don't begrudge him wanting to get money

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Good point about Barnes SS. But do you really think he can replace Los? Barnes as a starting cb does worry me. He's a decent nickel guy, just don't think he's up to filling Los' shoes. I realize we haven't seen enough of him yet in that role yet. The coaches may have no choice.

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You know I usually defend player and have defended CR before but...

F....Carlos Rogers. See ya.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=SmootSmack;803525]Why not Kevin Barnes? Why are we so quick to dismiss Barnes, yet it's a problem to say Rogers has disappointed in his time here



I don't have the number in front of me but I believe Los was targeted as many times as Hall, if not more. Though I may be mixing up years. But anyhow, the best corners do win games. And Rogers wants to be paid like one of the best



But he doesn't want top 30 money. If he did, I suppose he'd be totally happy with his salary



I don't begrudge him wanting to get money[/quote]

I don't dislike Kevin Barnes as an option, but as an every down starting CB I don't feel very comfortable going into the season with him opposite D Hall. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, but I think it's a major downgrade. I like Barnes in the nickle right now.

You talk about targets which is a clever way of avoiding the question. I'm asking when 'Los was beat where it was a big play costing the skins the game. Targets are one thing, but big completions are another. Most of the completions on Carlos are short and stopped quickly.

If he wants top CB money, then I understand letting him walk. I think his market price is much higher than fans here seem to think. I think he's a 15-20CB in my eyes. I understand if we let him go because of financial reasons, but I think we underestimate what he brings to the table.

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[quote=SmootSmack;803398][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/5/18/2178010/carlos-rogers-it-would-be-fun-to-play-against-the-redskins-twice-a]Carlos Rogers: "It would be fun to play against the Redskins twice a year." - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Dont let the door hit you in the ass,, bye!,,,,

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Carlos is the least of the skins worries.

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I think Rogers should go out and test the market. It also depends on the need. Say there are two teams out there who need a good CB. Good I say. Then Rogers might get them in a bidding war for his services. On top of that it also depends on what players of equal stats are getting in his position.

Do I have a problem with Rogers? no. I look at it this way if you have a CB on one side who is a bit more of a risk taker and will try and jump the pass for an interception then you need another CB on the other side who is not a risk taker and plays the game safe. Because the FS will most likely need to roll towards the side with the risk taking CB to back him up in case he misses the interception. Otherwise you need to keep both Safeties back to help out the CB's if you have two risk takers.

The two glaring problems with Rogers is he fails to make interceptions (big whoop) and he is known to bite on the first move. Rogers has had his share of WR's faking him out and getting yards. So though he's not bad, I wouldn't label him top 10. Matter of fact going to NFL.com and looking up players by position stats you might be supprised to see that 4 other Washington players rank before Rogers for 2010. Hall at #4, Doughty at #5, Landry at #16, and K.Moore at #40. The have Rogers ranked #54.

Looking back Rogers rank for each yr:

2010- #54
2009- #76
2008- #48
2007- #93
2006- #20
2005- #58

These numbers however are not just CB's. It includes Safeties as well. Also I think part of the reason for the flux is because he might have been injured or was used differently. I don't mean to say he was used in a different position, I mean what he was asked to do in the GW, Blache, or Haslett's defense might be slightly different. In any event I see him as a middle of the road CB.

I could be wrong though... Bleacherreport has him listed #10.
[QUOTE]10. Carlos Rogers (WAS)

Carlos Rogers has the attitude and ability to become a top corner in the league consistently. Rogers is a hard working talent who can read plays extremely well.

His ability to break is often over-looked and his hitting comes and goes. He is so reliable to have however, because he is a corner that will always make a play on the ball.

He has some of the best man-to-man coverage skills, but I haven't really been impressed with his zone coverage.

Rogers' awareness and ability to break on most balls makes him such a dangerous defender, but he does give up big plays from time to time (usually not touchdowns, however).
[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Daseal;803506]I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I completely agree too. I would go as far as to say he would be a top 5 corner if he made 8/10 or so of the interception oppertunies hes had over the last 2 years. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/carlos-rogers-takes-a-swipe-at-deangelo-hall/]Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE]Rogers elaborated via text message to Chris Russell of ESPN 980. “I wasn’t the corner that gave up the most TD’s or yards or first downs,” Rogers said, “but I’m the corner that is looked at [as] the 2nd corner, [that] I need to be replaced.”[/QUOTE]

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I guess Rogers is yet another player who really doesn't get it. No one is trying to replace him. He can stay all he wants. But I'm betting he's going to ask for a mint and he's not worth it. Now if he's willing to sign another contract about the range of what he's making now then fine, but as other have said he's thinking payday and I'm guessing he might get a little humbled in the end. But that depends on the need at CB by other teams.

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[quote=mlmpetert;803548][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I completely agree too. I would go as far as to say he would be a top 5 corner if he made 8/10 or so of the interception oppertunies hes had over the last 2 years. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

But he doesn't, so he's not

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[quote=SBXVII;803547] So though he's not bad, I wouldn't label him top 10. Matter of fact going to NFL.com and looking up players by position stats you might be supprised to see that 4 other Washington players rank before Rogers for 2010. Hall at #4, Doughty at #5, Landry at #16, and K.Moore at #40. The have Rogers ranked #54.

Looking back Rogers rank for each yr:

2010- #54
2009- #76
2008- #48
2007- #93
2006- #20
2005- #58[/quote]

What stats are you using? D. Hall has never been a top ranked CB, in fact, he's been one of the worst ranked CBs in the NFL for many years now. I've shown those numbers repeatedly. The numbers I showed actually had Carlos (in one of the years) ranked really high in terms of his position. We aren't talking about "Hype" rankings here, we are talking about actual productivity. Or in the case of CBs, the lack of production (against you) is the key.

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[quote=SBXVII;803549]Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/carlos-rogers-takes-a-swipe-at-deangelo-hall/]Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]


Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;803554]Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here.[B] It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday.[/B] In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.[/quote]

I think thats a really good point. But i dont think there are many 30 year FA cornors that arnt gonna do the same.

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Not only can he not catch a ball he is also a dumb ass. I'm not sure what his contract was but he had to make over two mill the past for years and he is broke. F*&^ him and his butter fingers. Thats what we need to call him from now on "BUTTER FINGERS" or just "DUMB ASS".


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[quote=Daseal;803541]I don't dislike Kevin Barnes as an option, but as an every down starting CB I don't feel very comfortable going into the season with him opposite D Hall. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, but I think it's a major downgrade. I like Barnes in the nickle right now.[/quote]

I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.

[quote]You talk about targets which is a clever way of avoiding the question. I'm asking when 'Los was beat where it was a big play costing the skins the game. Targets are one thing, but big completions are another. Most of the completions on Carlos are short and stopped quickly.[/quote]

Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game

[quote]If he wants top CB money, then I understand letting him walk. I think his market price is much higher than fans here seem to think. I think he's a 15-20CB in my eyes. I understand if we let him go because of financial reasons, but I think we underestimate what he brings to the table.[/quote]

And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent

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[quote=NC_Skins;803554]Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.[/quote]

I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=SBXVII;803549]Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/carlos-rogers-takes-a-swipe-at-deangelo-hall/"]Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

Rogers has EVERY RIGHT to be bitter. Hall is GARBAGE as a cover corner and he tackles like a soft lil' bitch. I don't think either of them are going to Canton, but game in, game out, I want the guy that can cover and tackle. Think about it, Rogers has seen numerous free agents get paid here and a lot of them end up playing like crap. Yet the front office never seems to reward their own that have proven themselves. I hope those days are over. But Bruce Allen had a chance to give Rogers a raise and low balled him. Not right IMO.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;803568]I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

[B]With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.[/B][/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=SmootSmack;803560]I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.



Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game



And I think he overestimates it. [B]He's a 30 year old DB[/B] who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent[/quote]

yeah, just looked his age up - born 7/2/81. The fact that any FA deal he signs will be closer to or after his b-day & the dreaded 3-0 really is bad timing for him.

On the other hand, he & his agent are aware of the market for cb's. I wouldn't be surprised if he can get 20% more elsewhere.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[B]Twice[/B] a year? Sure...lets do it, jerk.

Grossman will light him up. Hankerson will look like a giant against him...throw it up towards Carlos every play, he's not going to catch the ball.

Sorry, you don't imply you want to be on the Cowboys, Eagles or Giants while you're still a member of the Redskins...trader.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;803568]I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.[/quote]

Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=skinsfan69;803587]Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.[/quote]

Creating turnovers is just as vital of a role for a CB as coverage. Think of it this way, how many lost opportunities and probably games have Rogers' drops caused? In this league, you can't give opponents second chances. That's what Carlos does. The real problem is not that he drops interceptions, it's how he drops EASY interceptions that hit him in the hands, chest, facemask...a professional football player should not be doing this, that often.

It has become a liability that really detracts from his decent coverage skills.

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If not for Orakpo actually getting a rare holding call, that blunder would have cost of the game.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=Monkeydad;803588][YT]k0Cc-QDjCFY[/YT]

If not for Orakpo actually getting a rare holding call, that blunder would have cost of the game.[/quote]

...never mind that Hall gave up 1 TD already and the go ahead TD that could have won the game for the Cowboys. YET, you want to blame that blunder on "costing" the game. This is the exact shit I'm talking about. It's sad they key this as the blunder to cost the game, but give Hall a pass because he picked up a lucky bounce on a fumble for a TD, but still gave up TWO touchdowns (1 called back) in that game. Amazing.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=NC_Skins;803554]Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm
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Yeah, you're right, Hall did give up what could have been the game winner. However, I believe that play came after a Carlos Rogers dropped pick. An EASY pick that would have ended the game. Instead, him not catching it gave the Cowboys more shots at the end zone...but you're right, scoring the Skins' only touchdown totally didn't do anything for them in that one...Hall SUCKS!

I'm not going to sit here and act like Hall is a great player, but your blind hatred of him is really turning you into a broken record. Let me get this straight: you want to ditch the guy who won the team two games last year by scoring touchdowns/getting picks, says "this is my defense" and at least talks like he likes it in Washington and keep the guy who takes every chance he can to take shots at the team he plays for...that makes sense.

At the end of the day, they both have their deficiencies and neither one are all that good. Carlos can cover and Hall can change games when he's actually close enough to a receiver, or the football, to get a pick. Really, if they somehow melded into one player with Rogers' coverage skills and Hall's ability to catch and score once he has the ball they'd make a great corner. Instead, we have one who gambles too much and another who does a good job of coverage and breaking on the ball, he just can't catch it...unfortunately the latter never keeps his mouth shut and likes to lambaste his employer; I say let him walk.

Re: Rogers Ready to Move On
 

[quote=NC_Skins;803589]...never mind that Hall gave up 1 TD already and the go ahead TD that could have won the game for the Cowboys. YET, you want to blame that blunder on "costing" the game. This is the exact shit I'm talking about. It's sad they key this as the blunder to cost the game, but give Hall a pass because he picked up a lucky bounce on a fumble for a TD, but still gave up TWO touchdowns (1 called back) in that game. Amazing.[/quote]

Really? Lucky bounce? He FORCED THE DAMN FUMBLE and then he picked it up and scored.