Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

I'm in the who's cares, he's gone boat.

I don't think he cares that much about football right now though. all those reports of being slow in practice, not learning the playbook, not following coaching etc here were probably true.

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[quote=Mechanix544;836147]I actually dont give a shit. Guy is yesterdays news........now about this rex grossman pro bowlesque thing we got going on here.................................


turn the ****ing page people.[/quote]

Amen.

Which is why I started my first post with.

[quote=NC_Skins;835994]Why are we still talking about this jackass? [/quote]


Move along. Lock this sucker up.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;836121]Class act? You shitting me? You mean the same "class act" that had his agent blast the head coach and OC during the season, and then turn around the next day and say "I don't have a problem with Kyle". Did he scold his agent? Nope. Did he refute anything he said? Nope. In fact, he did absolutely nothing but play that "neutral...ooo....i'm so innocent" role.

There is a reason the locker room was split 50/50 in that whole TO fiasco in Philly. It's because many on the team thought he was two faced, and judging by his short time here, it was a accurate assessment.


**** this assclown. I hope he has a miserable season so I can sit back and laugh at him and then everybody will know what a fraud he is.[/quote]

By listening to your comments you almost make it seem personal. While he was in Philly, McNabb was a top 5-10 QB. Any person w/ football knowledge would probably agree. Outside of Tom Brady I don't think anyone did more w/ less. Right now he simply doesn't have the weapons around him to be a top Qb, and he's no longer good enough to carry an offense, like he did for so many years in Philly.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;836147]I actually dont give a shit. Guy is yesterdays news........now about this rex grossman pro bowlesque thing we got going on here.................................


turn the ****ing page people.[/quote]

I agree. It's so time to move on past McNabb. It didn't work out here. Time to turn the damn page.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

on orton n mcdaniels... I didn't know the leading reciever and Eddie royal were NOTHING... smh and screw mcloser he blows

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;836175]By listening to your comments you almost make it seem personal. While he was in Philly, McNabb was a top 5-10 QB. Any person w/ football knowledge would probably agree. Outside of Tom Brady I don't think anyone did more w/ less. Right now he simply doesn't have the weapons around him to be a top Qb, and he's no longer good enough to carry an offense, like he did for so many years in Philly.[/quote]


It's not personal, I just get a bit annoyed with the "he's a class act" label he keeps getting slapped with by the average fan. He's not a class act. He essentially defied the coaching staff and then blasted the coaching staff (via his agent) when it caught up with him(aka..benched). Really, in the grand scheme of things, isn't that what Haynesworth did? Refused to do what the coaching staff asked, and basically did his own thing? I'm just ready to move on from that horrible chapter of Redskins history. What he is though, is a good PR guy.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

After his 39 yard passing performance against the Chargers, he is on pace to throw for 624 yards this season.

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[quote=NC_Skins;836066]I also want to mention exactly why McNabb has diminished. His whole career, his ability to run has kept him afloat at the top of the QB list in the NFC. As the years passed and injuries mounted,[B] his ability to run has all but vanished which is why he's struggling as a QB now[/B]. He never had the skills to be a top flight QB to begin with (accuracy, pocket presence, intelligence, quick release) that the others have. (Manning, Rivers, Brady, Brees) It's not McNabb's age (34) that is making his decline show. Look no further than the 39-40 year old Brett Farve almost pulling out a MVP to debunk that notion. If your whole game relied on your wheels, expect a lower shelf life for those types of QBs. This is why I'm so dead set against the "run first" kind of QBs that come into the league. That might get you far in the NCAA and win you some games in the NFL, but to really progress and prolong your career, you need to win games from the pocket with the abilities I mention prior.[/quote]

Didnt see the game,only highlights and as I was watching the highlights I thought to myself that Mcnabb looked like his old self when he was scrambling.I thought he looked better then last yr{as far as his scrambling is concerned} Im going to rewatch the highlights and see if I change my mind

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;836186]After his 39 yard passing performance against the Chargers, he is on pace to throw for 624 yards this season.[/quote]

Meanwhile Tom Brady is on pace to throw for 8,272 yards 64 TD's and 16 Int's.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;836194]Meanwhile Tom Brady is on pace to throw for 8,272 yards 64 TD's and 16 Int's.[/quote]

That seems about right.

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Alex Smith is on pace to throw 0 interceptions...so marinate on that

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:lol: Damn! I knew we should have signed him!

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[quote=53Fan;836217]:lol: Damn! I knew we should have signed him![/quote]

Took the words out of my mouth.

Also, did you guys know Sexy Rexy is on pace to throw for 4880 yards, 32 touchdowns, and no picks this season? Can you say Pro Bowl?

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=mooby;836219]Took the words out of my mouth.

Also, did you guys know Sexy Rexy is on pace to throw for 4880 yards, 32 touchdowns, and no picks this season? Can you say Pro Bowl?[/quote]

Tell that to his fan that got banned, he would have a wet dream.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=mooby;836219]Took the words out of my mouth.

Also, did you guys know Sexy Rexy is on pace to throw for 4880 yards, 32 touchdowns, [B]and no picks this season[/B]? Can you say Pro Bowl?[/quote]

Yes, but he will still loose 16 fumbles.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;836186]After his 39 yard passing performance against the Chargers, he is on pace to throw for 624 yards this season.[/quote]

well, that's assuming he doesn't get benched. 624 might be optimistic.

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I have to admit that I was fairly pleased when we acquire McNabb. With the a similar history to Elway (Unable to win "The Big Game"), I mistakenly thought that Shanahan could mold or modify McNabb's game to achieve positive results. Unfortunately my flawed deductive reasoning, for several reasons; (inability to accept change, poor offensive line play, lack of quality receivers, deterioration of athletic skills), was terribly wrong. That being said, I look at it as a expensive lesson learned. We appear to be moving in the right direction now, and additional mistakes will be made, but I have full confidence in our current administration's ability to recover from bad decisions and move forward!

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;836228]Yes, but he will still loose 16 fumbles.[/QUOTE]

Ah good point.

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You know, people bring up the receivers we had last year a lot...

I was recounting last year how McNabb struggled finishing games. One of the most maligned guys on the team last season was Joey Galloway. But when I thought about it, there were so many times when McNabb sold Galloway out.

Week 2, Joey is wide open, McNabb overthrows him in the end zone, no touchdown on what would've iced the game for the team. Week 4, Galloway's wide open again, streaking towards the end zone, but McNabb throws an bizrre interception right to an Eagles player. Like, right to him. Galloway runs wide open on the right, and McNabb throws left right to an Eagle.

Versus Indy, Galloway has a step on his man, McNabb doesn't put it far enough out in front of Joey, picked off. Titans game, Joey comes open for the first down in the red zone, McNabb comes back to him so late that Galloway is literally waving his arms around screaming "I'M OPEN", only by time McNabb gets the message, the DB catch on, picked off.

Galloway could've easily had three touchdowns, all of them game sealing, but McNabb completely sold him out, and the blame falls on Joey.

And let's not forget the deep passes to Armstrong that should've been touchdowns, and you could throw Fred Davis in there too, since Davis had to come back to some of those.

Hindsight really is 20/20...

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

I still think we should have just rode with Jason in Shanny's first season to see if he could play better. McNabb 1 season in DC giving up a 2nd and 4th rd pick. That was a big F-Up so it was better to let him go than bring him back for a 2nd season. We got out of his crazy contract and rec'd a late rd pick for McNasty. Glad he is not our QB problem.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;836184]It's not personal, I just get a bit annoyed with the "he's a class act" label he keeps getting slapped with by the average fan. He's not a class act. He essentially defied the coaching staff and then blasted the coaching staff (via his agent) when it caught up with him(aka..benched). Really, in the grand scheme of things, isn't that what Haynesworth did? Refused to do what the coaching staff asked, and basically did his own thing? I'm just ready to move on from that horrible chapter of Redskins history. What he is though, is a good PR guy.[/quote]

Both sides were to blame for what happened here. McNabb didn't want to bust his ass and the Shanahan's let it go to the media. And you simply can't compare AH to Mcnabb. That's utterly ridiculous.

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[quote=skins89moss;836242][B]I still think we should have just rode with Jason in Shanny's first season to see if he could play better.[/B] McNabb 1 season in DC giving up a 2nd and 4th rd pick. That was a big F-Up so it was better to let him go than bring him back for a 2nd season. We got out of his crazy contract and rec'd a late rd pick for McNasty. Glad he is not our QB problem.[/quote]

Or play all of Rex last season. Given how good of a job Shanny did with our second rounder this year, I think he could have gotten an impact player last year with the second rounder.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;836228]Yes, but he will still loose 16 fumbles.[/quote]

Aren't all fumbles loose?

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[quote=Ruhskins;836085]I am trying to think which QBs have successfully transitioned from one team to another. Drew Brees comes to mind, going from San Diego to becoming an elite QB in New Orleans (I don't know if there was much of a difference between the two systems). Favre one-year stint in Minny could be one...but that was only a year. I guess maybe Brad Johnson's move to Tampa could be considered. Can anybody else think of other examples?[/quote]

Jake Plummer comes to mind most recently. I think if you go way back, Jim Plunkett had a successful stint with the Raiders after leaving the Patriots and Doug Williams lit it up for one year with the Skins after leaving Tampa Bay. So it does and can happen. However, I think the older the quarterback the more he must rely on the new system to be successful.

But who would thought just one year ago, we'd be talking about Rex Grossman being better than Donovan McNabb. What a difference a year makes.

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Ruhskins, I'd add Kurt Warner and Trent Green to the listsof modern day QBs who have excelled in different systems.

Re: McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?
 

[quote=EZG1;836235]I have to admit that I was fairly pleased when we acquire McNabb. With the a similar history to Elway (Unable to win "The Big Game"), I mistakenly thought that Shanahan could mold or modify McNabb's game to achieve positive results. Unfortunately my flawed deductive reasoning, for several reasons; (inability to accept change, poor offensive line play, lack of quality receivers, deterioration of athletic skills), was terribly wrong. That being said, I look at it as a expensive lesson learned. We appear to be moving in the right direction now, and additional mistakes will be made, but I have full confidence in our current administration's ability to recover from bad decisions and move forward![/quote]

Hell,I think just about everyone was excited as hell that we got Mcnabb,especially after he looked so good in the Houston game

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Reid is good with QBs, but he doesn't actually go out there and play the game. Part of being good with QBs is showing the ability to pick the right ones. You can't be good at coaching up a position with no aptitude for finding the right guys.

McNabb was always overrated nationally, and the trade for him was a total disaster even at the time it was made, but overrated and not useful are two different things. Let's try not to totally re-write history here. McNabb became part of a very good system. He wasn't just there, he became an integral part of what they did. They didn't consistently throw 50 times a game with someone they were trying to hide.

They're a completely different offense now, and ditching McNabb was necessary to reach their offensive potential, but that doesn't make Donovan chopped liver. He was a very unique player for the passing era he played in.

But that era is over.

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[quote=Schneed10;835992]After seeing what AJ Feeley did in Miami after leaving Reid, seeing what McNabb has done after leaving Reid, and seeing the transformation Vick has made since joining Andy Reid, it's probably time to give a ton of credit to Big Red as a developer of QBs.[/quote]

I would also give Reid credit for the incredible prescience to know when to stick a fork in a guy. McNabb's done.

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Yes I agree with all post above. McNabb is done and I think we saw signs of it last season but common sense told us to see if he could work through it.

I don't believe he will stay with Minnesota next year as a backup, like Matty said, Donovan might have lost the passion for the game, that makes it hard for a guy to stick around, not like other backups who still love football and are happy to help out in any capacity...