Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton?
 

Sign Orton, cut Beck. Play Grossman this year. Get Orton ready for next year. Draft 1 or 2 QB's next year.

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Orton and Grossman are basically the same guy. No thanks.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;862548]I hear what you are saying but that was really Grossman's first truly pitiful game as a skin. Tom Brady this year has had some games where he has looked absolutley like dog shit, and one or two games where he has thrown 4 interceptions, and nobody benched him. Sure i know its Tom Brady but I didn't think the skins were fair to Rex by benching him after his first truly poor game, for a guy who basically tanked our season.[/quote]
Preach. As I've said repeatedly, Grossman is an average QB but so are the majority of qb's in the league. There's Brady, Rodgers, Brees then 25 qb's all relatively close (including Grossman). Then there's the bad including Tavaris Jackson, McNabb, Whitehurst, etc. Then, way farther down the list, you have the Becks and Palko's though Palko might move up to bad.

Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton?
 

[quote=SBXVII;862584]It tells me two things.....

1- Cutler couldn't get along with the HC and apparently not able to perform in the system

and

2- Orton has not been able to perform in the system after being traded for Cutler.

Lastly, Tebow the next best thing since sliced bread, the QB a ton of fans here wanted the Skins to pick, can't seem to work well in the system.

Basically the system sucks. But thats Denvers problem. Our problem is Grossman is simply an average QB, Beck is below average, and Orton is better then both. I too want a QB out of the draft and recently have been thinking maybe a 1st round QB and maybe a later round QB. That way we have two and one should work out and both would be young. Unless Crompton is actually better and more accurate then our current starters then he can stick around long enough to play in Preseason.[/quote]

I don't think you know the history. Mcdanials came in and basically pushed Cutler out by going after matt casel. Orton came over from the trade w cutler and actually did pretty well in mcdanials system. Mcdanials gets fired after 2 years because not only does he make a massive mistake in losing cutler he also f-ups by changing the d-fense to a 3-4 while simultaneouly impelmenting a new offense (sound familiar). Too much to fast, and it results in a 3 win second season. John fox comes to town and implements a new offense which orton fails to do well it, so tebow enters after fans erect bilboards telling fox to give him a shot (never underestimate crazy fans). Tebow is a winner, but fox also was smart enough to change the system slightly to better fix tebow. Also fox changes defense back to a 4-3 base and now has one of the best defenses in the nfl. Then yesterday orton gets released after requesting to be.

Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;862535]Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.[/quote]

lol you obviously don't know what a good QB is either.

Tell me what about these career numbers say anything "good" about him?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/rexgrossman/2505623/profile]Rex Grossman, QB for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com[/url]

If you want to be banned I'm happy to grant your wish.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;862605]Sign Orton, cut Beck. Play Grossman this year. Get Orton ready for next year. Draft 1 or 2 QB's next year.[/quote]

This would be my game plan. I know we have many needs but I'd still take a 1st round QB and late round QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;862606]Orton and Grossman are basically the same guy. No thanks.[/quote]

And you are correct but Orton has a better TD/INT ratio. Ya gotta go with the better one.

Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton?
 

I'm kinda torn on this. I was in favor of trading for him prior to the season, but this late in the game and with the playoffs out of reach, I don't see the point now.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My thoughts are that Orton is better than Grossman. Grossman may have a better arm but has poor decision making. In our offensive i think better decision making is more important than a better arm.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We have a lot of uncertainty at the QB position next year. Grossman is a FA. We will likely be drafting a QB very high or trading a lot of picks for one. Beck will be gone. I dont even know who are PS QB is, but if Beck is still the second stringer at this point in the season i know the coaches dont have any faith in him. Even if we get Luck or RG3 at the bare minimum we need a second string QB next year, and having a vet that knows the offense would be a lot better in the development of a young guy.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Orton is a FA too, so I look at the reason we should try and get him is as a insurance policy. If he plays better then Grossman in our system then great, hopefully we can sign him to a contract and our roster is better, even if just depth. If he doesn’t then cool hes a FA and we get a supplemental pick when he signs with another team. Same thing with Grossman. Hopefully we would be able to keep one and hopefully it would be the better one. If not at least we will get 2 supplemental draft picks instead of just one. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its real tough to get a decent FA QB right after we sign a 1st round draft pick, make a big trade for a guy or sign a big FA name like Matt Flynn. Having two chances to sign a decent guy that has familiarity with the offense but is basically conceding to the backup role is better than just one chance. And if neither work out at least we get something for our efforts and danny’s 2.5 million (money that doesn’t affect the future cap that Danny spends means absolutely nothing to me). [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Adam S. "The redskins, dolphins and chiefs are all interested in Orton"

Just now on SC

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great. id rather not be interested in him... dunno what miami is thinking i like matt moore>orton .. just dont even bother with this guy IMO, sign ur qb in the draft.

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[quote=Meks;862649]great. id rather not be interested in him... dunno what miami is thinking i like matt moore>orton .. just dont even bother with this guy IMO, sign ur qb in the draft.[/quote]


I doubt we sign him

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[quote=Mattyk;862638]I'm kinda torn on this. I was in favor of trading for him prior to the season, but this late in the game and with the playoffs out of reach, I don't see the point now.[/quote]

I agree, orton is really not very good. he's better than beck, but i wouldnt say he's better than grossman in this system now, and i have doubts he'd even represent a MARGINAL upgrade over grossman next year.

I say we stick with Grossman, draft a 1st round QB, draft a later-round QB, and pick up a FA QB next year. keep grossman and the 1st rounder in 2012 and then let the other two compete for a roster spot.

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A couple of you have mentioned next year, and that to me is the reason to claim him. First, when does his contract run out? If at the end of this year, that's a big reason not to sign him. If he's under contract for next year, that's our 'vet Qb' pickup for 2012 w/6 games left in 11 to see him in practice.

I think it makes sense if he's under contract next year. He could either serve as a stop gap starter or #2 in 2012.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;862660]I agree, orton is really not very good. he's better than beck, but i wouldnt say he's better than grossman in this system now, and i have doubts he'd even represent a MARGINAL upgrade over grossman next year.

I say we stick with Grossman, draft a 1st round QB, draft a later-round QB, and pick up a FA QB next year. [B]keep grossman and the 1st rounder in 2012[/B] and then let the other two compete for a roster spot.[/quote]

Grossman is a FA and at the very least is gonna shop around, what if he gets a better offer or doesnt want to serve as back up to a rookie?

No one knows how Orton will compare to Grossman in our system. With the season over why not find out now and try to keep the best one for 2012? What if we are unable to get any of the QBs in the draft or FA we really want?

And if we are able to get Orton it just means Beck is gone. Thats it. Maybe if Orton shows a lot of promise he gets a couple starts at the end of the year. But not wanting Orton means that you want Beck and/or you want Grossman to go unchallenged.

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[quote=freddyg12;862661]A couple of you have mentioned next year, and that to me is the reason to claim him. First, when does his contract run out? If at the end of this year, that's a big reason not to sign him. If he's under contract for next year, that's our 'vet Qb' pickup for 2012 w/6 games left in 11 to see him in practice.

I think it makes sense if he's under contract next year. He could either serve as a stop gap starter or #2 in 2012.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]He will be a FA, but thats a positive to me. Grossman is also a FA. If either or both leave and sign with another team we will likely get a compensatory pick for each. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Per a league source, here’s the current list: (1) Colts; (2) Panthers; (3) Rams; (4) Vikings; (5) Cardinals; (6) Redskins; (7) Jaguars; (8) Dolphins; (9) Chiefs; (10) Browns; (11) Eagles; (12) Chargers; (13) Seahawks; (14) Buccaneers; (15) Titans; (16) Bills; (17) Jets; (18) Broncos; (19) Giants; (20) Raider; (21) Bengals; (22) Cowboys; (23) Falcons; (24) Saints; (25) Texans; (26) Ravens; (27) Steelers; (28) Patriots; (29) Lions; (30) Bears; (31) 49ers; and (32) Packers.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;862660]I agree, orton is really not very good. he's better than beck, but i wouldnt say he's better than grossman in this system now, and i have doubts he'd even represent a MARGINAL upgrade over grossman next year.

I say we stick with Grossman, draft a 1st round QB, draft a later-round QB, and pick up a FA QB next year. keep grossman and the 1st rounder in 2012 and then let the other two compete for a roster spot.[/quote]

All things being equal Orton is definitely a better QB than Grossman. Better career numbers, better W/L %, and he simply passes the eyeball test over Grossman.

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[quote=Mattyk;862689]All things being equal Orton is definitely a better QB than Grossman. Better career numbers, better W/L %, and he simply passes the eyeball test over Grossman.[/quote]

No doubt, Orton took his job lol.. I wanted KO before the season but whats the point now?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;862691]No doubt, Orton took his job lol.. I wanted KO before the season but whats the point now?[/quote]

For this year, it doesn't make much sense. But it makes sense if they feel he can be the guy next year until a rookie is ready. And he's definitely an upgrade over Grossman.

Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;862686]Per a league source, here’s the current list: (1) Colts; (2) Panthers; (3) Rams; (4) Vikings; (5) Cardinals; (6) Redskins; (7) Jaguars; (8) Dolphins; (9) Chiefs; (10) Browns; (11) Eagles; (12) Chargers; (13) Seahawks; (14) Buccaneers; (15) Titans; (16) Bills; (17) Jets; (18) Broncos; (19) Giants; (20) Raider; (21) Bengals; (22) Cowboys; (23) Falcons; (24) Saints; (25) Texans; (26) Ravens; (27) Steelers; (28) Patriots; (29) Lions; (30) Bears; (31) 49ers; and (32) Packers.[/quote]


So basically we can get him if the Colts dont want him.

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[quote=Mattyk;862689]All things being equal Orton is definitely a better QB than Grossman. Better career numbers, better W/L %, and he simply passes the eyeball test over Grossman.[/quote]

in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.

I certainly hope that our rookie would win the job outright in training camp next year; however, worst case senario for a 1st round QB as high as well be drafting would be starting by week 4-6. With that in mind, i highly doubt orton would perform better than grossman between now and week 4-6 of next year. and even if he could, would it really be worth taking a new stop gap in for such a short period of time?

Assuming Kyle doesnt "step down" after this season and remains our OC in 2012, id rather have grossman, an experienced QB in the system as our backup/mentor than Orton.

The one and only reason i'd think Orton would be a good idea is if we felt he had a legitimate shot to become our Franchise QB, meaning we could draft a rookie in the later rounds next year and use our early picks on something else.... like starting-caliber offensive linemen.

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One man's trash...is another man's treasure.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;862700]in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.[/quote]

I bet it's a huge challenge to learn 5 total running plays, a handful of screens and downfield routes lmao...I suspect there's high school teams with more sophisticated offensive scheme.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;862535]Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. [B]I hope I do get banned again[/B], you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.[/quote]

again,lol,who were you the first time I wonder?

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[quote=jonny5dicky;862535]Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. [B]I hope I do get banned again[/B], you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.[/quote]

We do too buddy

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;862700]in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.

I certainly hope that our rookie would win the job outright in training camp next year; however, worst case senario for a 1st round QB as high as well be drafting would be starting by week 4-6. With that in mind, i highly doubt orton would perform better than grossman between now and week 4-6 of next year. and even if he could, would it really be worth taking a new stop gap in for such a short period of time?

Assuming Kyle doesnt "step down" after this season and remains our OC in 2012, id rather have grossman, an experienced QB in the system as our backup/mentor than Orton.

The one and only reason i'd think Orton would be a good idea is if we felt he had a legitimate shot to become our Franchise QB, meaning we could draft a rookie in the later rounds next year and use our early picks on something else.... like starting-caliber offensive linemen.[/quote]

#1- I'd wager QB will be taken 1st round. If nothing else then to develope.

#2- It does make sense to take Orton cause god forbid the Rookie gets injured or doesn't start, you'll want a smarter more accurate QB.

#3- KS is going no where unless his father gets canned. No way will MS ruin that relationship, but MS might take over more of the OC duties while leaving the title to his son.

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Get him and let him be our vet...he's the upgrade over both Beck and Grossman for next year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;862700]in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.

I certainly hope that our rookie would win the job outright in training camp next year; however, worst case senario for a 1st round QB as high as well be drafting would be starting by week 4-6. With that in mind, i highly doubt orton would perform better than grossman between now and week 4-6 of next year. and even if he could, would it really be worth taking a new stop gap in for such a short period of time?

Assuming Kyle doesnt "step down" after this season and remains our OC in 2012, id rather have grossman, an experienced QB in the system as our backup/mentor than Orton.

The one and only reason i'd think Orton would be a good idea is if we felt he had a legitimate shot to become our Franchise QB, meaning we could draft a rookie in the later rounds next year and use our early picks on something else.... like starting-caliber offensive linemen.[/quote]

A full offseason and I'd bet Orton would be more proficient than Rex will ever be in this offense. Rex simply isn't a starting QB in this league. Orton is flat out the better player.

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Chiefs grabbed Orton off of waivers. Bears are screwed.

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He does not want to play for the Chiefs. Will get interesting.
Possible deal with the Bears?

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Trade deadline has come and gone. Orton either reports or he sits.

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;862454]anybody who picks him up now has to pay 2.5 million so I hope the skins dont waste the money on him.Texans need to pick him up in case leinart doesnt work out,plus whos Leinart backup if he gets hurt[/QUOTE]

Well Leinart just went out and it doesn't look good so that's why I thought they should go after orton but the chiefs would have got him anyway
So far Houstons 3rd string is looking good


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Saw this and couldn't help but to laugh!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r8_buda5vWo#]Kyle Orton's Farewell to the Denver Broncos - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;862712]Get him and let him be our vet...he's the upgrade over both Beck and Grossman for next year.[/quote]


Rex and beck should not be even USED in the same sentence..

that said, I'd take my chances with Rex in this system over Orton coming in to learn it.

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What if Orton doesn't make the mistakes that Grossman is prone to make, although Rex knows the system far better than Orton? I'd take my chances on the QB that would make the least amount of mistakes.

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i think we'd better make more QB try through the draft , Kyle orton not good enough , i'd like to have a long time excellent QB but have to pock another QB few years later . so just give up this season , at least we can find a better QB than Grosman and Beck before new season start

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;864390]What if Orton doesn't make the mistakes that Grossman is prone to make, although Rex knows the system far better than Orton? I'd take my chances on the QB that would make the least amount of mistakes.[/quote]

Least amount of mistakes? That's Beck. One yard checkdowns and take the sack on third down. If we had a defense better than the 2000 Ravens I'd say sure. 0-0 ties with the possibility of a punt return setting up a FG for the win. Unfortunately we need at least 10 points a game. TY Grossman.

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^that.

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[quote=rypper11;864508]Least amount of mistakes? That's Beck. One yard checkdowns and take the sack on third down. If we had a defense better than the 2000 Ravens I'd say sure. 0-0 ties with the possibility of a punt return setting up a FG for the win. Unfortunately we need at least 10 points a game. TY Grossman.[/quote]

Beck's hesitancy and checkdowns ARE mistakes if he's missing open guys. He's ****ing up his reads, which are mistakes.