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[quote=punch it in;1065784]Wow. What if one of the Giants got drunk and slept through a meeting? You would want his ass shitcanned. Why should Al catch a break?[/quote]


This has nothing to do with the Giants or football .Attacking supervisors and posting their salaries and pics on line is not the way to solve the problem .

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[quote=NC_Skins;1065797]I assure you, I think before I act on anything. I'm pretty analytical about stuff and I'm quite aware of the situation. Hell, I work in a field dictated on logic. Libel. That would mean something I said is false. Well considering I have the evidence and people to back up the statements, I'd say what I said was the truth. Libel is when the statements are false. Maybe JR can roll into here and shed some light on the legal aspect of it. I mean hell, if Dan Snyder didn't have a shot in hell at winning against Dave McKenna on the piece he wrote, what's the odds on some bum winning against what I said? I told you, we have evidence (which we save) of these wrongdoings. Pictures, camera footage, falsified documents....and so on.




Venting? Nah. At this point, you have to laugh at the shit. It's comical, which is why we take these pictures send them to other co-workers so we can laugh. Quite frankly, I don't even care at this point. What are they going to do to me? Fire me? /laugh

It would be very hard for them to do that with the type of damning information I hold. They would slit their own throat in doing so. If my superior wants to lose his job as well, by all means have at it. Besides, I've only seen four people fired in the 10+ years I've worked with the state. Even one of those had a chance to resign the final day because they didn't want to fire him. He chose poorly.

The only thing that doesn't make me management material is that I can't cover up shit, nor sit on things that aren't right. I can't lie to my co-workers and blow smoke up their ass. If that is what it takes to be a "management material", I can honestly say I'm a much better person than any manager out there. Besides, who gives a fuck about being a manager? I certainly don't. My sense of self worth isn't defined by a title, salary or promotion.[/quote]

[YT]6ldAQ6Rh5ZI[/YT]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1065805]This has nothing to do with the Giants or football .Attacking supervisors and posting their salaries and pics on line is not the way to solve the problem .[/QUOTE]


Should not matter if it is a manager/supervisor, or not. They are held, (or should be), to the same standards as far as compliance / company policy.
Look, while I agree that NC could get himself into hot water over the pics and info - you know damn well that it is a major stretch to think somebody is going to lurk through different Redskins Fan sites to try and find out if NC is posting pictures of Al sleeping at his desk. As a matter of fact it is absurd.
The real issue is that you have a state worker coming in, making alot of money, and catching a buzz before naptime! Ed is the reason this country is in the state it is in, not NC.
Edit: Al not Ed. Lol.

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Strange. I don't recall any outrage over the picture of DevinThomas sleeping thru meetings.

F people who sleep at work, I wish I'd gone to supervisors over a similar situation. Bravo NCskins.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1065835]Strange. I don't recall any outrage over the picture of DevinThomas sleeping thru meetings.

F people who sleep at work, I wish I'd gone to supervisors over a similar situation. Bravo NCskins.[/quote]

Going to supervisors would be a good way to handle it, but he instead posted sensitive information online. That's not a great example of keeping things in house. He's a fucking idiot.

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[quote=Schneed10;1065836]Going to supervisors would be a good way to handle it, but he instead posted sensitive information online. That's not a great example of keeping things in house. He's a fucking idiot.[/quote]I agree with you to a certain degree, but the sleeper is the true f'n idiot.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1065837]I agree with you to a certain degree, but the sleeper is the true f'n idiot.[/quote]

Hopefully nobody would see the sleeping bum as someone even worth comparing themselves to. It's not a high bar to clear.

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[quote=Schneed10;1065838]Hopefully nobody would see the sleeping bum as someone even worth comparing themselves to. It's not a high bar to clear.[/quote]That's just it. I don't think the sleeping bum should be compared to anyone here. Yet it seems most of the outrage here is directed against NCSkins.

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1065837]I agree with you to a certain degree, but the sleeper is the true f'n idiot.[/QUOTE]


Thank you Oh voice of reason. Instead we seem to be harping on what an idiot NC is for exposing the idiots. The powers to be seem to have us rite where they want us - the little people follow the rules and the kings and queens break em. Eff that.

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Honestly not a shot at you punch but I see so much of that type of attitude. It must be pretty miserable to go through life thinking the whole world is so stacked against you. Like there's some secret cabal of people who keep everyone down.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1065839]That's just it. I don't think the sleeping bum should be compared to anyone here. Yet it seems most of the outrage here is directed against NCSkins.[/quote]

He can cast stones all he wants, but I'd say posting pics online plants him firmly on the third floor of a glass house.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;1065843]Honestly not a shot at you punch but I see so much of that type of attitude. It must be pretty miserable to go through life thinking the whole world is so stacked against you. Like there's some secret cabal of people who keep everyone down.[/QUOTE]


Hah. Im not a conspiracy theorist or anything. In the workplace there seems to be a feel that once you attain a management position you can rest on your laurels. Or as Al seems to be doing, passing out drunk on them. I dont think the world is stacked against me. I just think that if I were in charge I would tend to train, nurture, and be there for my people. Not take advantage of them and skate through the day.
Edit: today is my day off. Just got a call from someone who is under me looking for a certain computer document. Turns out that my superior dumped his job off on the guy reaching out to me. Without getting into specifics, i stayed on the phone with the kid and walked him through the process. Than called my boss and asked him why the fuck i was getting the phone call? The kid should not have been involved. If I want to i can run it up the flagpole and throw my immediate boss under the bus. Instead I just chose to let him know what he did was bullshit. Sounds like NC has tried to call Al out but nobody gives a shit. So instead he posts his dumbass on the WP so we can all laugh at him. I think that is some harmless venting by NC. That is all. If anybody is against compliance its the sleeping idiot.

[QUOTE=punch it in;1065840]Thank you Oh voice of reason. Instead we seem to be harping on what an idiot NC is for exposing the idiots. The powers to be seem to have us rite where they want us - the little people follow the rules and the kings and queens break em. Eff that.[/QUOTE]

I think the difference is we can all see the sleeping guy is an idiot and slacker (who probably has some serious life issues to boot) but I know that, as much as one can on an internet forum, think NC has head on straight, and called him on revealing so many specifics (ie salary levels and workplace photos) in an online forum. I know that the chances are slim that anything harmful to NC would come of it, but still that its not a good thing to do.

Venting, using pronouns instead of names, general position/salary statements just is the better way to approach it. Its not like we need the pictures to believe that there are employees and managers who sleep at there desk or are incompetent at their position. We all have seen and most have probably experienced it.

Edit: Link fail

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1065847]I think the difference is we can all see the sleeping guy is an idiot and slacker (who probably has some serious life issues to boot) but I know that, as much as one can on an internet forum, think NC has head on straight, and called him on revealing so many specifics (ie salary levels and workplace photos) in an online forum. I know that the chances are slim that anything harmful to NC would come of it, but still that its not a good thing to do.

Venting, using pronouns instead of names, general position/salary statements just is the better way to approach it. Its not like we need the pictures to believe that there are employees and managers who sleep at there desk or are incompetent at their position. We all have seen and most have probably experienced it.[/QUOTE]


Can we agree the picture was hysterical in an office space sort of way. Everytime I look at I think...."what would ya say it is you do here Al?"

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[quote=FRPLG;1065843]..... Like there's some secret cabal of people who keep everyone down.[/quote]

[URL="http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/"][I][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]Inside the Deep State that conrols the American Empire[/FONT][/SIZE][/I][/URL]

[I]There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power.[/I]
[I]During the last five years, the news media has been flooded with pundits decrying the broken politics of Washington. The conventional wisdom has it that partisan gridlock and dysfunction have become the new normal. That is certainly the case, and I have been among the harshest critics of this development. But it is also imperative to acknowledge the limits of this critique as it applies to the American governmental system. On one level, the critique is self-evident: In the domain that the public can see, Congress is hopelessly deadlocked in the worst manner since the 1850s, the violently rancorous decade preceding the Civil War.[/I]


I'd argue that there is.

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[quote=Schneed10;1065807][YT]6ldAQ6Rh5ZI[/YT][/quote]

[B]
Judgmental [/B]- check

[B]Overreacts[/B] - check

[B]Condescending[/B] - check


I guess you are right. I really don't have the qualities for management material. :joecool:

I do possess the condescending trait so that's one positive for me!!



[quote=Schneed10;1065836]Going to supervisors would be a good way to handle it, but he instead posted sensitive information online. That's not a great example of keeping things in house. He's a fucking idiot.[/quote]


Apparently you are management material because you can't even read the simple things. MY FUCKING BOSS KNOWS YOU DIPSHIT. What does going to my boss going to do? He's been sent emails. He's been told to his face. He's been told on the phone. He's been told by other managers. He's seen it with his own eyes. So, exactly what good is going to the boss going to do? No, we've just adapted to make fun of these people now.

You can't even decipher what's going on here, and I'm the idiot? Yet, you have the audacity to proclaim who's management material? Priceless. You know the deal with guys like you? You fear people smarter than you that can expose you for the frauds you really are so you try to beat those into submission with your petty displays of authoritarianism.

Sensitive information? Like what? His address? His social security? His tax ID? So a picture of a dude sleeping at his desk is now "sensitive information?" Wow, is this conversation even taking place?

FYI: Any state employee's salary and position is public information. You can view any of these anytime they want. Online as well.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1065839]That's just it. I don't think the sleeping bum should be compared to anyone here. Yet it seems most of the outrage here is directed against NCSkins.[/quote]


I really don't get it. I really really don't. It's how people are programmed and brainwashed into keeping the system intact, even if it means supporting the corrupt and incompetent people within it.


Here I expose three individuals stealing, falsifying records, sleeping, drinking on job, and boss knowing all this and does nothing after being notified repeatedly...................YET I'm the bad guy for posting the picture of him sleeping.


:frustrated:

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[quote=punch it in;1065864]Can we agree the picture was hysterical in an office space sort of way. Everytime I look at I think...."what would ya say it is you do here Al?"[/quote]

I'm glad you enjoyed the funny. We all get a kick out of it too at this point. This was one of the pictures my co-worker photoshopped. I'm posting it since you enjoyed the first. Take note on the white board. Supposed to say "next door". We have a ABC liquor store next door. :|

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[quote=NC_Skins;1066095]


Here I expose three individuals stealing, falsifying records, sleeping, drinking on job, and boss knowing all this and does nothing after being notified repeatedly...................YET I'm the bad guy for posting the picture of him sleeping.


:frustrated:[/quote]


NC , seriously if what you say is true then think ,"is there something I don't know about the situation", that might keep it from being resolved ?The internet is not the place to make these accusations .

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[quote=NC_Skins;1066100]I'm glad you enjoyed the funny. We all get a kick out of it too at this point. This was one of the pictures my co-worker photoshopped. I'm posting it since you enjoyed the first. Take note on the white board. Supposed to say "next door". We have a ABC liquor store next door. :|

[/quote]

So you admit to doctoring a photo to make someone look bad ,on the internet .?:doh:

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[quote=Giantone;1066102]NC , seriously if what you say is true then think ,"is there something I don't know about the situation", that might keep it from being resolved ?The internet is not the place to make these accusations .[/quote]

I told you what the situation was. My boss is 62 years old. He's on the doorstep of retiring and simply doesn't give a fuck. He wants to skate out without making too many waves in the process so the best way he can do that is to simply ignore it. The only way he'll do anything is if the heat comes down from above him.

Listen, Al is the lesser of the evil on the three guys. I just posted Al's picture because it was funny. The other two are much much worse in terms of falsifying records and using state resources for personal use.




[quote=Giantone;1066103]So you admit to doctoring a photo to make someone look bad ,on the internet .?:doh:[/quote]

What? I told you my co-worker photoshopped this, not me. Do you people even read? I don't have to make him look bad, he does that all by his lonesome. Why are you defending people like this?...lol

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[quote=Schneed10;1065783]Clearly you don't have the strongest understanding of legal liability. [B]Posting this on the Internet with the level of descriptiveness you did exposes you to the possibility of charges of libel.[/B] Like you say, nobody will probably find out. But the reason I question your judgment is you clearly haven't thought through the cost/benefit here. What do you gain out of doing this? Venting? That's an emotional decision and shows you're too reactionary to ever be considered for management duties where thinking before pressing send isn't just a suggestion, it's required.[/quote]

[quote=NC_Skins;1065797]I assure you, I think before I act on anything. I'm pretty analytical about stuff and I'm quite aware of the situation. Hell, I work in a field dictated on logic. Libel. That would mean something I said is false. [B]Well considering I have the evidence and people to back up the statements, I'd say what I said was the truth.[/B] Libel is when the statements are false. Maybe JR can roll into here and shed some light on the legal aspect of it. I mean hell, if Dan Snyder didn't have a shot in hell at winning against Dave McKenna on the piece he wrote, what's the odds on some bum winning against what I said? I told you, we have evidence (which we save) of these wrongdoings. Pictures, camera footage, falsified documents....and so on.[/quote]

Both Schneed10's and NCSkin's statements are true.

Statements impugning someone's character that are false are, in general, actionable. The picture itself could be cause for a claim of "false light" - taking a true statement/photo out of context to impugn a person's character.

Based on the picture and his description, is NC [I]open to charges[/I] of libel? Yup.

If everything NC says is true and he has the evidence to back it up, then, after depositions, document discovery and subpoenas for records, he will likely prevail after a motion for summary judgment. However, if the other side can bring in enough to make [I]any[/I] of the various [I]factual[/I] (not opinion) statements a question of fact that reasonable people could differ on, then it would go to trial if even on a limited basis.

As a State employee, it is unlikely the State is open to any sort of suit based on this because posting on a football website is clearly outside the scope of NC's duties even if he does so in business hours. The same would likely be true for any employer although some of the statements imply that the higher ups know of the behavior. So a suit against them would be unlikely to survive a motion to dismiss but just might.

Given the anonymity of the internet, someone would need to have some real desire to bring suit. If they did, had an ax to grind, and found out NC's identity, a lawsuit would ensue.

Based just on the statements posted and the pictures specifically identifying the guy, any such lawsuit drafted by a reasonably competent attorney would survive a Motion to Dismiss because to do so all you have to do is state a legal basis for recovery: NC made defamatory statements about me, they are false, I am entitled to damages. The dispute is not legal but factual. Accepting that what NC says is true (and I, a State employee also, do) NC would prevail in the end, but only after retaining an attorney, paying for depositions, paying for the attorney to draft & argue a motion for judgment, and, possibly, going to court.

It would take a driven plaintiff, but proving you are correct could turn into an expensive proposition -- I have a case where a former employee is suing the employer for asking him to resign after he sexually assaulting another person at the office. He will lose because he is wrong, and I will have great fun arguing to the jury - but it is costing my client a ton to prove it.

... and that is my two cents. You can send my retainer through my paypal account.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1066109]Given the anonymity of the internet, someone would need to have some real desire to bring suit. If they did, had an ax to grind, and found out NC's identity, a lawsuit would ensue. [/quote]


Thank you for the breakdown. Let's not forget this gem as well.


[url]http://rt.com/usa/ip-constitute-person-copyright-suit-973/[/url]


To be sure this ruling would apply to pretty much everything else eh?

[QUOTE=Giantone;1066103]So you admit to doctoring a photo to make someone look bad ,on the internet .?:doh:[/QUOTE]


Actually he admitted to a coworker doing it

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[quote=NC_Skins;1066114]Thank you for the breakdown. Let's not forget this gem as well.


[url=http://rt.com/usa/ip-constitute-person-copyright-suit-973/]IP address does not constitute a person, judge rules in copyright suit — RT USA[/url]


To be sure this ruling would apply to pretty much everything else eh?[/quote]

Well, sure, if [I]all[/I] they have is an IP address for the "NCSkins" account on the Warpath, [I]that alone[/I] is not proof you, the individual behind the computer, made the comments. However, unlike the facts of the decision cited, we are talking about more than a mere IP address. In this case, there are specific statements and a picture of a specific work place [I]in connection with[/I] a specific IP address.

As I understand it, the copyright ruling simply says - just b/c it was downloaded by your computer, it is not proof any specific person downloaded the pirated material ("Hey, I didn't do it, my brother uses my PC, so does my neighbor, and this weird guy down the street who I occasionally let check his e-mail. Anyone of them could have pirated it when I wasn't watching").

Essentially, proof that your IP address downloaded illegal materials, [I]in and of itself[/I] and without any other extrinsic evidence, is [I]legally insufficient[/I] to prove you downloaded illegal materials - [I]i.e.[/I] they lose automatically and all you have to say is "you have failed to state a legal claim". You do not even have to allege that the computer was used by another person. Rather, if all these companies have is information saying "IP address X downloaded material", then they lose on a Motion to Dismiss as a matter of law.

However, if they have info that "IP address X downloaded material" [I]and[/I] a statement from IP address X's owner that "Oh no, only I use that computer" or proof that IP address X's owner has the pirated materials on his device (or some other device), THEN it becomes a factual question that survives a motion to dismiss because there are more facts in play than the simple "this IP address downloaded the materials". [Again, copyright not my area - just working off some basic principles]

In this case, if someone can demonstrate that your personal computer (or your work computer) was used, the statements and photo are pretty damn specific and, in conjunction with an IP address identifiable to you or a computer you regularly use, it would at least raise a factual question as to whether or not you were the one who made the statements. Once past the motion to dismiss, they could subpoena the hard drives from the IP addresses used, certainly they would (I would) subpoena files from your work relating to your internet usage, depose coworkers, look up every post by "NCSkins" to see if it gave any information identifiable to you. Further, if you post from work (or during work hours), it could, possibly, result in a sanction from your employer - particularly if they get subpoenas for your work comps hard drive or Public Information Act Requests about your computer usage.

Again, as I said, it would take a really, really motivated plaintiff to choose to do all those things b/c it would not be cheap to pursue. From all that you said, I doubt that the individuals in question qualify. [I]But[/I], the original assertion was that the photo coupled with the specific statements left you open for charges of liable. I think it very clearly does "leave you open". I suspect, however, (1) it would be too costly for the potential plaintiffs in question; (2) their desire to pursue would be significantly cooled by the knowledge that they are likely to eventually lose.

At the same time, if they are willing to exert the time and money to chase you down, they likely could force [I]you[/I] to spend time and money defending their charges. Truthfully, had you not posted the picture and just gone with the pronouns and descriptions, I would have said "No problem". Again, even with the picture, not likely to result in anything, [U][B][I]BUT[/I][/B][/U], if they have the right kind of crazy, have money to burn, and just want to make your life sh** for a bit, well, the pictures let them do that - even if you ultimately prevail.

When it comes to posting the pictures, if it were me, I wouldn't do it and I would recommend to any client of mine not to do so. I get where you coming from, really, I do (Just look at some of my posts in the Gear Grinding thread). I just think you may have let your frustrations get the better of your judgment.

I may be misreading the cited opinion, but I don't think so. Further, this is just my two cents and is not in any way intended as legal advice - 'cause I ain't licensed in "Internet Land". An attorney in your jurisdiction could read this and say "He's full of sh**" (Certainly, saden1 questions my legal competence on a regular basis). At the same time, I would give this same two cents to a friend with whom I was sharing a beer - whether we were doing so in my home State or one with terrific beaches and cool lighthouses.

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Jesus Christ talk about mole holes into mountains.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1066325](Certainly, saden1 questions my legal competence on a regular basis).[/quote]

Case closed you moron.

[QUOTE=mredskins;1066358]Jesus Christ talk about mole holes into mountains.[/QUOTE]

My opinion was asked. It was given. When it comes to the law, my opinions are rarely succinct.

[QUOTE=FRPLG;1066366]Case closed you moron.[/QUOTE]

I wish I had gotten my law degree from a Holiday Inn.

JR is many things, a moron is not on that list.

I admire your restraint in only posting a few words in rebuttal, JR.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1066367]My opinion was asked. It was given. When it comes to the law, my opinions are rarely succinct.[/quote]

I was not just pointing you out just the overall discussion.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1066384]I wish I had gotten my law degree from a Holiday Inn.[/quote]


Holiday Inn "Express" .

Then you would only know hotel law !:)

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bad news for me - i am draggin arse today and am running out of menial phone calls to make and might have to make some serious calls that would require full brain capabilities .. i really just feel like staring at my computer screen and typing nonsense on the warpath all day.

at least my keyboard would make the clicking typing sound and it would sound like im busy.

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[quote=over the mountain;1066537]bad news for me - i am draggin arse today and am running out of menial phone calls to make and might have to make some serious calls that would require full brain capabilities .. i really just feel like staring at my computer screen and typing nonsense on the warpath all day.

at least my keyboard would make the clicking typing sound and it would sound like im busy.[/quote]

Someone get a picture of OTM and post it!!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066561]Someone get a picture of OTM and post it!!![/quote]

Im sure OTM would have alcohol at the work cite, might even be wasted

Does NCskins (dwight schrute) have his camera?

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lol this needs to be named the "Pick a fight" thread. I remember those rooms on AOL chat where you'd just go in and find someone to fight with. That used to be the "Debating with the Enemy" threads but this one is making a run at it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1066565]Im sure OTM would have alcohol at the work cite, might even be wasted

Does NCskins (dwight schrute) have his camera?[/quote]

Yo, I was not the one that took the photos. Those gems are compliments of the co-workers. :) I'm sure he'll snap the photos for a price. :P

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[quote=mredskins;1066358]Jesus Christ talk about mole holes into mountains.[/quote]This is an interesting segue, IMO.

And it's nice to hear JoeRedskin, Mattyk, SS, or someone else who actually has RL experience on the subject talk about stuff.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1066537]bad news for me - i am draggin arse today and am running out of menial phone calls to make and might have to make some serious calls that would require full brain capabilities .. i really just feel like staring at my computer screen and typing nonsense on the warpath all day.



at least my keyboard would make the clicking typing sound and it would sound like im busy.[/QUOTE]


We need pics
Edit: guess this was already requested. I hate to see the bad news thread getting hilarious. That in itself is bad news though because it is thread fail so ok.