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[quote=skinsfaninok;1096073]I agree matt, honestly I don't believe in Dan any more and I def don't believe in the players we have. Griff will be gone which is a shame that we spent 3 years hoping he would live up to that crazy draft and he just wont.[/quote]When did Snyder ever warrant one iota of our confidence? He is always looking for the quick fix. While I will continue to watch and root for the team on TV, I have made a pledge to myself to boycott spending any of my hard earned money on this team. No new merch, and definitely no more going to games anytime soon. The last game I attended was the 2013 opener against Philly, which in hindsight was a foreshadowing of how broken this franchise is.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095815]Concerning the ability of our FO to find talent, I don't look any further back than the last draft and FA period. Before then, it was Shanny and you-know-who.

I think that Bruce Allen and his staff did a good job in the draft and FA. We added six starters, none of whom is likely to be replaced: Trent Murphy and Bashaud Breeland via the draft and DJax, Jason Hatcher, Shawn Lavau, and Tres Way.

Morgan Moses and Spencer Long were developmental picks who could turn out well, Ryan Grant was a pleasant surprise who just needs to gain a little size and strength to become a valuable weapon, and we picked up a backup RB as a UDFA in Silas Redd.

That's pretty darn good, IMO. [B]What if we were to pick up 10 more good players next season[/B]with 6 of them becoming starters? Shouldn't we be even better?[/quote]

Wishful thinking don'tcha think?...

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Go O-line 1st and 2nd Rd!

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Wouldn't it be nice if they did what the cowboys did and invest in linemen early. That might improve this terrible team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1095990]i know it's a qb thread, but what college safeties are out there? Still want that to be our first round pick, assuming we end up in the 6 - 16 grouping.[/quote]

As I’m deliberately avoiding the ’Colt McCoy to start against Indy’ thread, I figured I’d stop by this one instead.

It’s an underwhelming draft for safeties tbh. Collins looks the top prospect right now, but like Earthquake says you could be in trouble if you’re overly reliant on him in coverage. That said, he has fantastic athleticism and [I]can[/I] play back there, it’s just not as natural as allowing him to play closer to the LOS. It all depends on if Haslett goes I guess. He likes his safeties to be interchangeable after all, but in a league where true ball-hawks with the range and speed of say Earl Thomas are difference makers, it’d be preferable to maybe look for someone in that mould.

One such player could be Gerod Holliman out of Louisville. 13 interceptions this year and he’s being compared to Ed Reed due to his off the charts instincts and closing speed. Some of his picks have to be seen to be believed as it’s just a pure feel for the game as opposed to a gamblers mentality. Real nice size for the position too at 6’1 & 206lbs. However, the big concern for me is that he looks an absolute liability when tackling. I’ve seen guys get a first down out of him when they have absolutely no right to, and from what I see it’s a combination of awful technique and dare I say it, reluctance of contact. Now, he did have a shoulder injury not so long ago, so maybe he’s mindful of that but you’d have to feel absolutely sure his shortcomings are correctable before taking him high. Again though, there is so much to like about his game.

Personally speaking then, I like Derron Smith from Fresno. He’s got the measurements of Earl Thomas at 5’11 & 197 (should note btw I'm not expecting another version of him at all), and likes to hit. He also has 14 interceptions throughout his career (7 of which were last year I believe) and as much as our own Phillip Thomas put up similar numbers himself, Smith just looks more of a natural free safety. He’s been moved up closer to the LOS this season due to necessity, and from what I understand has been one of the few bright spots on their D, which is always a nice versatility and willingness to see coming out of college. His stats being down may also work in our favour as someone who could be has in the late 2nd or early 3rd, pre-combine of course.

Didn’t John Keim say the other day though that he imagines they’ll look to FA for safety help? If so then I’m still on board for a hard-nosed interior lineman like Brandon Scherff (no way he stays at tackle IMO) to further bolster the offensive line. I also wouldn’t be against a trade down either if possible as for me, there are no JJ Watt type prospects who you could look back on with regret for missing out on. Plenty of very, very good talent, but nothing elite from what I can see, at least not where we’ll likely end up picking (Winston and Mariota will likely be gone tbh). A lot could change however. Oh, and as for Brett Hundley, if you thought RG3 has flaws going through progressions and staring down receivers, then this guy will take you to the fair!......and not in a good way!

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Not a QB, but we could use Jalen Ramsey CB from FSU.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1096165]Not a QB, but we could use Jalen Ramsey CB from FSU.[/quote]

If Haslett is still coaching the defense he wouldn't even know how to use him.

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Ramsey is a prospect alright! Can line up at corner and safety. Don’t believe he’s draft eligible in 2015 though?

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So......Colt McCoy is starting next week.
You girls still want to talk about safety's in my QB thread?

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1096203]So......Colt McCoy is starting next week.
You girls still want to talk about safety's in my QB thread?[/QUOTE]
Yes. This franchise has shown it can't get the qb position right so we might as well hunt for the next safety.

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Man, Redskins fans just don't learn do they. In the middle of this drama with Griffin we're talking about drafting a QB in the first round. Imbeciles. Short of Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees, there isn't an active quarterback that can win with this team. The only thing we should be thinking about drafting are competent OLs and shut-down secondary. Revision after revision we waste first round quarterbacks, Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, and now RG3 and you guys want to draft another one?

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Leonard Williams or Andrus Peat is my first round list if we draft top 5 right now

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1096203]So......Colt McCoy is starting next week.
You girls still want to talk about safety's in my QB thread?[/quote]

Dak Prescott it is then! Happy?! :)

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Maybe some of you should go back and read what I wrote.
I said I dont know that we could find a QB in the first round.
And unless you have been living under a rock you know that this team does some messed up stuff on draft day that isnt always a fan favorite.
So I'm starting a QB draft discussion.
Griffin isnt the future, neither is McCoy.
Next years QB free agents are lame.
So who are all these awesone new OL guys going to block for...Cousins????
And for what its worth, my choice would be OL in the first round as is most of you guys but last I checked no one on this board is going to make the selection.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1096216]Leonard Williams or Andrus Peat is my first round list if we draft top 5 right now[/quote]

Can see Williams being the only non-QB 1st overall pick tbh. Shame as he's exactly what this D needs.

Just not sold on Peat though. Great physical tools but his balance seems a bit questionable in any cutup's I've watched, and he's not much of a finisher allegedly. That said, I'd take anyone to lock down that right side about now.

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What about Sean Mannion of Ore. St. as a later round QB? Has a nice arm and a lot of experience in a pro style offense. Team captain, too.

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Rg3 is gonna cost some qb prospects some money

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1096222]Maybe some of you should go back and read what I wrote.
I said I dont know that we could find a QB in the first round.
And unless you have been living under a rock you know that this team does some messed up stuff on draft day that isnt always a fan favorite.
So I'm starting a QB draft discussion.
Griffin isnt the future, neither is McCoy.
Next years QB free agents are lame.
So who are all these awesone new OL guys going to block for...Cousins????
And for what its worth, my choice would be OL in the first round as is most of you guys but last I checked no one on this board is going to make the selection.[/quote]

Gotcha.

To reiterate what I said then, no way do I see us landing Winston or Mariota, and tbh nobody else is worth a high enough pick given our other considerable needs IMO.

As for our approach on draft day, I agree that more often than not we seem to miss more than we hit, even when we do hit (what we thought we had with RG3 for example)! Maybe there will be a shake-up behind the scenes though that allows the team to genuinely lay some solid foundations. Who knows. It seems Gruden calling out and subsequently dropping Robert could be signs that he's pushing hard for significant changes into how this team is run on and off the field.

Re who the line is going to block for, I don't believe anyone has the long term answer to that, maybe not even Gruden. It's just my personal opinion that if the offensive line is shored up then there can be no more debates that it may be part of the reason our franchise guy is not going through reads or tossing interceptions or whatever. In a nutshell, you can get the clearest evalutaion of exactly what you have or don't have with every QB on this team whether that's Griffin, Cousins or McCoy.

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Another Michigan State QB looks promising:

Connor Cook*, QB, Michigan State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2015): 1-2.
11/22/14: In 2014, Cook has completed 58 percent of his passes for 2,466 yards with 19 touchdowns and five interceptions.

In speaking with league sources, they say that Cook has the potential to be a high first-round pick if he improves certain aspects of his game, mainly accuracy. Cook has proven to NFL evaluators that he has a big arm, pocket presence, the mobility to avoid rushers and roll out, and the ability to make some precision throws. Cook plays in a pro-style system and has shown steady improvement with his ability to function out of the pocket while working through his progressions.

In many games, Cook has thrown the ball better than his numbers illustrate. He can make some amazingly accurate throws into extremely tight windows for completions downfield, but also has some inconsistency with his accuracy on the routine passes and when going deep down the middle. He has to improve his footwork and that will help his accuracy.

Against Oregon, the junior finished 29-of-47 for 343 yards with two scores and two picks. One interception wasn't his fault, but the other was a bad throw. It wasn't a perfect game, but Cook showed a lot of what the pros are looking for.

8/27/14: 2013 was Cook's first year as the full-time starter, and he got off to a slow start before coming on strong in the second half of the season to help lead the Spartans to a Big Ten title and victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl. Cook completed 58.7 percent of his passes for 2,755 yards with 22 touchdowns and six interceptions for the year. He had great games against Ohio State (24-40 for 304 with 3 touchdowns, 1 interception) and Stanford (22-36 for 332 yards with 2 touchdown, 1 interception) to close out the season.

Cook is generally a good decision-maker who has the size, arm and field vision to be a good pocket passer. He should be even better now that he has a year of experience. Becoming a first-round prospect isn't out of the question for Cook, but skipping the 2015 NFL Draft and returning for his senior season of college football could help him achieve that.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;1096213]Man, Redskins fans just don't learn do they. In the middle of this drama with Griffin we're talking about drafting a QB in the first round. Imbeciles. Short of Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees, there isn't an active quarterback that can win with this team. The only thing we should be thinking about drafting are competent OLs and shut-down secondary. Revision after revision we waste first round quarterbacks, Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, and now RG3 and you guys want to draft another one?[/quote]

I'm sorry but this is just uneducated and reeks of regurgitating media garbage.

If you go back and watch the tape of the last two games against Tampa and San Fran you can see countless examples of where a receiver or TE is running free and open, and the line protecting well enough for a typical QB to find the open man. Griffin looks at the wrong WRs given the defensive alignment he faces, he progresses from option to option too slowly, he drops back too far sometimes, and in others fails to step up when he should. He has no feel for the game, no understanding of Gruden's offense.

When Colt comes in you'll see the offense actually function. He'll put up 250 passing yards and we'll actually move the ball. Now, he'll probably commit some costly turnovers and that will say to you that Colt is capable of running the offense, but he's not a long term answer because of that tendency to make mistakes.

But put a very strong QB in place and you have a chance. QB should absolutely be on the table in the upcoming draft, to say otherwise says you don't understand pro football very well.

Do you have to support him with strong lines? Sure. But look at our cap space next year, we'll have opportunities in free agency. We shouldn't rule out QB if we get a shot at one. We might be picking 2nd for all we know and have a shot at Mariota.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1095775]Unless you plan on drafting Jameis Winston in the first round, there isn't a QB I like in the first round.[/quote]
I would;t touch him with 10 foot poll..character issues

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[quote=Chico23231;1095776]bad year for QBs, good year for Oline and Dlines.[/quote]

Perfect time for a bridge QB like McCoy then. Build up the rest of the team for the next guy. Maybe even let Cousins throw for 5000 yards and 30 TDs. Oh, and probably 30INTs as well;)

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a good O-line can make an average QB look good. The Redskins won Superbowls with average QBs

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[quote=44Deezel;1096365]Perfect time for a bridge QB like McCoy then. Build up the rest of the team for the next guy. Maybe even let Cousins throw for 5000 yards and 30 TDs. Oh, and probably 30INTs as well;)[/quote]

Could not agree more. Draft the best available that fits the team you want to be. That's how to build quality depth.

McCoy and Cousins aren't a terrible option for next year.

Basically the front office kept the same crappy team from last year and changed one guy, the head coach. I'm really mad at myself for having stupid expectations.

I don't think we know what we want to be.

I would love to have an offense built like Cincy where Gruden already found success. Huge O line, monster receivers and TEs that can catch, run, and block and a fair QB who won't throw the game away.

It would be a good offensive build to run in December and January in a cold snowy stadium in Maryland. That's an allusion to the games at the end of the year and home field advantage in the playoffs. Felt it was necessary to spell it out on this board.

Whatever, the FO needs to pick an identity and build for it. We (not us, the FO) don't even know what we want to be. If someone put BA on the spot and asked him what type of lineman we are looking for in the draft, what would he say?

Bigger/ stronger/ longer for power run and pass pro or smaller/ quicker/ faster for zone and roll outs.

I'm guessing he doesn't know right now. The notion that our GM and president of football operations wouldn't definitively know what attributes we would prioritize in our prototypical o lineman is scary.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1097796]Bigger/ stronger/ longer for power run and pass pro or smaller/ quicker/ faster for zone and roll outs.[/quote]

If we were ever to draft First Round OL talent, we wouldn't need to compromise on size and strength versus athleticism. We could get players who are bigger, stronger, longer, quicker, and faster than other OL's.

This draft is strong for OL and weak for safeties. If I ruled the world, I'd go after FA safety help and draft OL with my first two picks. I'd even try to move up into the first round for my second pick if it was necessary to get the right player.

But what do I know? I'm just an ignorant fan who is dying to see the Skins fix their OL problems.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1096348]I would;t touch him with 10 foot poll..character issues[/quote]

That character issue thing people keep talking about is kinda overblown. Being slightly immature is something different than character issues. The guy can play though.

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Don't think we should draft Winston, but they have to think about it. He's the kind of guy where you would have to sit him for a couple years. Let him get use to being a professional. We need our early picks to play right away.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1097831]That character issue thing people keep talking about is kinda overblown. Being slightly immature is something different than character issues. The guy can play though.[/quote]

Slightly?
He's a dope.
The kid can't get out of his own way.

There isn't a position in sports under the microscope like NFL QB.

He is a tremendous talent but there couldn't be a worse time for him to join the NFL.
The GM that drafts him in the first round is going to put his career on the line for him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1097831]That character issue thing people keep talking about is kinda overblown. Being slightly immature is something different than character issues. The guy can play though.[/quote]

He hasn't been that good this year.

My biggest worry is how he handles losing and adversity. Possibly could be meltdown city, Vince young style

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[quote=Chico23231;1097837]He hasn't been that good this year.

My biggest worry is how he handles losing and adversity. Possibly could be meltdown city, Vince young style[/quote]

He's seems like a mentally tough kid. With the drama that surrounds him, he seems to handle it well. But an unstable franchise like the Redskins is the last place for Winston to come. He needs to go somewhere that's 100% about football.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097839]He's seems like a mentally tough kid. With the drama that surrounds him, he seems to handle it well. But an unstable franchise like the Redskins is the last place for Winston to come. He needs to go somewhere that's 100% about football.[/quote]

He's been resilient on the field for sure. U trust him off the field? He just a kid, think another year would really help him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097839]He's seems like a mentally tough kid. With the drama that surrounds him, he seems to handle it well. But an unstable franchise like the Redskins is the last place for Winston to come. He needs to go somewhere that's 100% about football.[/quote]
Do we really need....Another A....hole at Redskin Park?

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We can't develop Qbs, what is the point.

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Winston would totally fit our system though. Not saying we should draft him, but as someone who has watched almost every FSU game, he can read through his options, he can be patient and aware in the pocket, and he can make ALL the throws. He can move around in the pocket and scramble when he has to.

I also want about half a dozen other FSU players (some of whom wouldn't be available in this years draft).

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Need to address our lines first and foremost.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1096348]I would;t touch him with 10 foot poll..character issues[/quote]

I wouldn't either. I think it would end up in another shit storm like it has with RG3.

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[quote=Chico23231;1097843]He's been resilient on the field for sure. U trust him off the field? He just a kid, think another year would really help him.[/quote]

Probably not but if we drafted him, I'd get behind it. It's a risk but at least it wouldn't be an RG3 type of deal where we're giving away future picks.

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[quote=Hog1;1097850]Do we really need....Another A....hole at Redskin Park?[/quote]

Ok we know you hate Winston. What do you suggest we do? Take someone in the mid rounds?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1098246]Ok we know you hate Winston. What do you suggest we do? Take someone in the mid rounds?[/quote]

How about we fix the offensive line, and stop throwing QBs behind the shitties offensive line in the league?

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Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Shane Carden, Jamiel Showers

if Jay/scheme is completely taken out of the equation:

Mariota, Petty, Cody Farajdo