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We will see Chief. We will see. I still want Alex starting this year and I want neither of them starting next year. Lol.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1269420]It took almost three quarters to look that way and Seattle had a putrid pass D. Putrid. I wish I could get excited about a potential cure to our quarterback issues but I cannot. And if Dwayne starts next week it will not take long to cement my doubt.[/QUOTE]Watching the yahoo highlight reel it looked like the offense got moving in the second quarter but the redzone int ended the first solid drive.

I wonder if Haskins shouldn't start these last two games. Think of the confidence boost for the whole organization if he wins both and if he loses both then you know you have to move on. Couldn't ask for a better test than 2 winnable games with the division title on the line to see what your team has.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1269425]The offense may have played their best in the last 5 games (to be fair they didn't do shit until down 3 scores) but the Seahawks defense is the worst unit of the 5 that we played during this 4-1 run.[/QUOTE]



Yeah I feel like there is still this belief out there that the legion of boom and the awesome Seattle defense is still around because of their record. Their defense is a train wreck. A fiery train wreck. Taking almost three quarters to get going is a direct result of DH not being ready to go. If he saw the field correctly we would have won that game. If he didn’t panic for no reason we would have won that game. If he knew when to run we would have won that game. I feel like im beating a dead horse but he is not a project anymore imo. He is a bust. It sucks because we really do not need a stud at quarterback to be a seriously dangerous team. I give a lot of props to RR man. Dude still has some coaching prowess up his sleeve.

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[quote=punch it in;1269429]Yeah I feel like there is still this belief out there that the legion of boom and the awesome Seattle defense is still around because of their record. [B]Their defense is a train wreck. A fiery train wreck. [/B]Taking almost three quarters to get going is a direct result of DH not being ready to go. If he saw the field correctly we would have won that game. If he didn’t panic for no reason we would have won that game. If he knew when to run we would have won that game. I feel like im beating a dead horse but he is not a project anymore imo. He is a bust. It sucks because we really do not need a stud at quarterback to be a seriously dangerous team. I give a lot of props to RR man. Dude still has some coaching prowess up his sleeve.[/quote]

Their defense was a train wreck, for the first half of the season or so. The last 5 games they've tightened up.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1269428]Watching the yahoo highlight reel it looked like the offense got moving in the second quarter but the redzone int ended the first solid drive.

I wonder if Haskins shouldn't start these last two games. Think of the confidence boost for the whole organization if he wins both and if he loses both then you know you have to move on. Couldn't ask for a better test than 2 winnable games with the division title on the line to see what your team has.

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That is the conundrum. There is a playoff birth well within our reach. This isn’t a time to see what we have. We know what we have in AS. A quarterback who finds ways to win not lose. The only thing Haskins has that Smith doesn’t is a strong arm but if you cannot read the field or throw off your feet correctly than what good is a strong arm. If the season were over than start DH. It is not so you have to go with the guy who gives you the best chance to win. It is Alex.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1269430]Their defense was a train wreck, for the first half of the season or so. The last 5 games they've tightened up.[/QUOTE]



Dwayne, Jets, Giants with McCoy, Eagles with Wentz. Doesn’t get much easier than that when talking opposing offenses.

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[quote] Yeah I feel like there is still this belief out there that the legion of boom and the awesome Seattle defense is still around because of their record. Their defense is a train wreck. A fiery train wreck. [/quote]

Um, their defense has allowed 16 points a game over the last six games. They are not the same defense that they were in the beginning of the season.

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Posted this in another thread, but it's relevant to this one too:

2020:

DH - 6 games (5 starts), 5 TDs, 5 INTs
AS - 7 games (5 starts), 4 TDs, 6 INTs

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1269432]That is the conundrum. There is a playoff birth well within our reach. This isn’t a time to see what we have. We know what we have in AS. A quarterback who finds ways to win not lose. The only thing Haskins has that Smith doesn’t is a strong arm but if you cannot read the field or throw off your feet correctly than what good is a strong arm. If the season were over than start DH. It is not so you have to go with the guy who gives you the best chance to win. It is Alex.[/QUOTE]Given the teams we play, and our defensive strength, i would say this is exactly the time to figure out what we need. We are a near lock for the playoffs unless you believe NYG can beat the Ravens. And if DH can't get us across the line then we end up with a better draft position by about 7 spots to pick his replacement. If he does get us across the line you can use rounds 1 and 2 to strengthen the team and pick up a qb with a 3rd rd pick.

Honestly, I don't think the team could be in a much better spot to really solidify the understanding of team needs to make this team a perrenial contender.

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Alex has been able to get the Ws though, so I think if he's healthy you have to roll with him against Carolina.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1269437]Alex has been able to get the Ws though, so I think if he's healthy you have to roll with him against Carolina.[/QUOTE]No doubt that this team with a healthy Alex wins but if the coaches want to let him rest one more game and put a little pressure on Haskins shoulders, personally I think that would be a good thing.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1269434]Um, their defense has allowed 16 points a game over the last six games. They are not the same defense that they were in the beginning of the season.[/QUOTE]



I repeat Dwayne, Jets, Eagles with Wentz, Giants with McCoy....,

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1269437]Alex has been able to get the Ws though, so I think if he's healthy you have to roll with him against Carolina.[/QUOTE]



He doesn’t make mistakes in crucial situations. With our D we only need that. Like I said neither guy is a long term answer but im all in on this season right now because we are on the doorstep of a home playoff game,.....

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[quote=punch it in;1269442]I repeat Dwayne, Jets, Eagles with Wentz, Giants with McCoy....,[/quote]

I saw your first post. It's still the NFL. Holding NFL opponents to an average of 16 points over six games is an accomplishment, and a testament to how well your defense is playing. Throw the Rams and Cardinals in there too BTW...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1269414]I'm not on any train, but the offense looked better yesterday than it has in the last four wins.[/quote]

Before crediting our QB too much, Seattle has one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1269447]Before crediting our QB too much, Seattle has one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL.[/quote]

Perhaps for the season, but their D has been much better of late, since getting Jamal Adams back and adding Dunlap.

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[quote=punch it in;1269443][B]He doesn’t make mistakes in crucial situations. [/B]With our D we only need that. Like I said neither guy is a long term answer but im all in on this season right now because we are on the doorstep of a home playoff game,.....[/quote]

Truly. I think we must have next to no turnovers to win in our current stage of development on offense. That means going with Alex Smith because he is one of the best QB's there is at minimizing turnovers. We have a shot at winning our division so Smith must play, even if he is dragging one leg behind him.

This is [U]not[/U] the time to prioritize getting another look at Dwayne Haskins. Haskins should only play if Smith can't go.

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[quote=punch it in;1269433]Dwayne, Jets, Giants with McCoy, Eagles with Wentz. Doesn’t get much easier than that when talking opposing offenses.[/quote]

You play the schedule you're dealt, this isn't college football where we get to pick our opponents.

The same could be said for some of our wins.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1269464]Truly. I think we must have next to no turnovers to win in our current stage of development on offense. That means going with Alex Smith because he is one of the best QB's there is at minimizing turnovers. We have a shot at winning our division so Smith must play, even if he is dragging one leg behind him.

This is [U]not[/U] the time to prioritize getting another look at Dwayne Haskins. Haskins should only play if Smith can't go.[/quote]

You play Alex if you're concerned with winning in the moment and hoping to go deep in the playoffs.

You give Alex another week of rest if you are more concerned with the future and want to see if Haskins can build on this appearance.

The decision is Ron's.

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Rivera already said Smith is starting if healthy. Lots of good discussions here. But the answer is solely in Smith's calf.

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[quote=mooby;1269470]You play Alex if you're concerned with winning in the moment and hoping to go deep in the playoffs.

You give Alex another week of rest if you are more concerned with the future and want to see if Haskins can build on this appearance.

The decision is Ron's.[/quote]

You need to reassess your position. When a team has a clear opportunity to go to the playoffs, they must go for it. You play to win. Otherwise, you are demeaning the integrity of the entire NFL.

Ron has only one ethical choice - to go for it. If he doesn't go for it, he'll risk alienating his players, his boss, the NFL, and most of the WFT fan base.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1269474]Rivera already said Smith is starting if healthy. Lots of good discussions here. But the answer is solely in Smith's calf.[/quote]

There is healthy and there is healthy enough. Every player is hurt in some way at this point in the season. Ron's decision should and I think will lean heavily towards can he go versus should he go. That's pro football, folks.

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If Alex can play, he will.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1269477]You need to reassess your position. When a team has a clear opportunity to go to the playoffs, they must go for it. You play to win. Otherwise, you are demeaning the integrity of the entire NFL.

Ron has only one ethical choice - to go for it. If he doesn't go for it, he'll risk alienating his players, his boss, the NFL, and most of the WFT fan base.[/quote]

Absolutely! If we want to make the playoffs, we NEED to win against the Panthers.

Start Alex, prepare Dwayne to be ready if needed.

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Somewhat problematic is deciding who you give 1st team snaps to this week. After week 12 or so, teams are further restricted in the number of padded practices.

I think Ron, Scott and QB coach need to make a big decision here tomorrow. You cant give Dwayne first team snaps, then try and have Alex do a walk though on Friday and then make a decision.

I think all the eggs need to go into one basket.

Tough decision, perhaps Alex calf will give us a definitive answer and Ron and co. wont have to make one.

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Heard Haskins on the broadcast shout to Cam Sims "Hey, get him, 33" to try and help sell the run fake. Sims initially got his hands on Adams, then peeled off. Before Adams could adjust, McKissic ran by him into the flat and Haskins found him for the TD. Washington back in it

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^^ good job by Dwayne to do the little things.

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Washington going to one of Haskins most used concepts since he's entered the league. Double slants to one side, slant-flat to the other. Hits the slant to Cam Sims for the conversion.

^^ nice read and throw by Dwayne

Lots more film breakdown by Bullock on his twitter

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1269464]Truly. I think we must have next to no turnovers to win in our current stage of development on offense. That means going with Alex Smith because he is one of the best QB's there is at minimizing turnovers. We have a shot at winning our division so Smith must play, even if he is dragging one leg behind him.

This is [U]not[/U] the time to prioritize getting another look at Dwayne Haskins. Haskins should only play if Smith can't go.[/quote]

I agree that Smith should get the nod against Carolina if he is 100%, but the notion that Haskins turns the ball over more than Smith is fake news.

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If McKissic's late game injury turns out to be something, Lamar Miller will be active this week.

Hopefully it'll be the Gibson and Barber show.

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[quote=mooby;1269470]You play Alex if you're concerned with winning in the moment and hoping to go deep in the playoffs.

You give Alex another week of rest if you are more concerned with the future and want to see if Haskins can build on this appearance.

The decision is Ron's.[/quote]

exactly this

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1269477]You need to reassess your position. When a team has a clear opportunity to go to the playoffs, they must go for it. You play to win. Otherwise, you are demeaning the integrity of the entire NFL.

Ron has only one ethical choice - to go for it. If he doesn't go for it, he'll risk alienating his players, his boss, the NFL, and most of the WFT fan base.[/quote]

I think you could reflect a little on the fact that AS' comeback has been huge, but if Ron tells the team that he is giving AS' calf one more week rest I doubt he risks alienating anyone. Also pretty sure he has built up a lot of respect for making team oriented, player oriented decisions that have us on the verge of clinching the NFC East. I can't imagine one player is going to lose faith in Ron if he starts DH this weekend.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1269481]Absolutely! If we want to make the playoffs, we NEED to win against the Panthers.

Start Alex, prepare Dwayne to be ready if needed.[/quote]

Baltimore will beat NY, that's as certain as anything in the NFL can be. If that happens we NEED only win one of these next 2 games. It's also likely that Dallas beats NY - they seem to have their number.

If Alex is 85% start him, but don't risk his health, or the team's playoff by starting him if he isn't ready.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1269469]You play the schedule you're dealt, this isn't college football where we get to pick our opponents.



The same could be said for some of our wins.[/QUOTE]



Agreed except the context of my comment was directed at their defense. The one people keep saying is back over their last five weeks. A win is a win is a win and it is a beautiful thing, but I don’t want to hear about their defense because they beat up on four of the most inept offenses in the league during that span. They shut down some solid offenses in the next couple weeks or into the playoffs and we can have a conversation about their defense being back.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1269477]You need to reassess your position. When a team has a clear opportunity to go to the playoffs, they must go for it. You play to win. Otherwise, you are demeaning the integrity of the entire NFL.



Ron has only one ethical choice - to go for it. If he doesn't go for it, he'll risk alienating his players, his boss, the NFL, and most of the WFT fan base.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. This season is a much bigger issue than keeping Smith healthy for next year or something. This is his swan song moment.

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[quote=punch it in;1269443]He doesn’t make mistakes in crucial situations. With our D we only need that. Like I said neither guy is a long term answer but im all in on this season right now because we are on the doorstep of a home playoff game,.....[/quote]

the defense dominates against sub par teams. not so much yesterday. got gashed on the run and had no sacks. still they kept us in the game, but this isn't a great defense.

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This thread should've been named The Dwayne Haskins Sucks Post Game Thread.

My mans goes out and plays terrible on Sunday, finally gets mad after going down by 3 scores, mounts a little comeback and comes up just short, and celebrates by trying catch Hep C (in case the COVID doesn't get him) with his girl and some strippers after the game. He's done here after the season.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1269405][B]The 1st INT: They were in FG range, but if Wright doesn't tip that pass, I think Sims either catches it at the 5 yard line, or it's incomplete. That was just unfortunate. Not a bad throw on the run in my opinion. [/B]

The 2nd INT: They were not in FG range, unless you think Hopkins is good for a 61 yard FG (nope). He read the CB wrong. He thought Reed was going to stay with McLaurin, but he broke it off and came up to make the INT. I think if he could take it back, he pumps to Sims and hits McLaurin in the end zone for an easy TD; or he just hits Barber in the flat for 5-6 yards.

Neither of those INTs were into triple coverage...

Live and learn. I'm glad he is trying to push the ball down the field. The offense looked better today with Haskins at QB. Out of 10 possessions, six drives were at least 8 plays, five of those going for more than 40 yards. Against the 49ers they had 13 possessions - only TWO drives with at least 8 plays, and only ONE drive of more than 40 yards.

The INTs hurt, but even with those, if Hopkins makes that extra point it's a different game.[/quote]


Disagree, terrible decision IMO. 2&8 in a 6 points game, take wide open McKissick right away. And then on the run, I say know who you are and take what you can on the ground. Finally, terrible throw, he needed to lead Wright towards the sideline where only he could catch it.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1269784]Disagree, terrible decision IMO. 2&8 in a 6 points game, take wide open McKissick right away. And then on the run, I say know who you are and take what you can on the ground. Finally, terrible throw, he needed to lead Wright towards the sideline where only he could catch it.



[IMG]https://media0.giphy.com/media/dLWGe5hypAgEJmeXU2/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]Wright wasn't supposed to be there. He breaks to the right when he sees Haskins scramble then does a great pass defense on his own team's throw. Wright basically screwed up the scramble drill. He should have broken towards Haskins to give him a 3rd option instead he made the field congested for Haskins throw.

Edit: looking at it if Wright had moved to around the 15 he would have created a wide open target for Haskins.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1269786]Wright wasn't supposed to be there. He breaks to the right when he sees Haskins scramble then does a great pass defense on his own team's throw. Wright basically screwed up the scramble drill. He should have broken towards Haskins to give him a 3rd option instead he made the field congested for Haskins throw.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Fair enough. He still is the most open guy when Dwayne makes the throw though, and I don't see how he doesn't see him since he's in front of Sims.

My main point was just throw the check down to McKissick in that situation.

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How about just throw the ball away

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Logan Thomas working back to Haskins is completely wide open.

Yet Haskins throws a jump ball which may have been intercepted anyway as the back defender was coming over Sims to make the play.

But the intial read should have been JD there

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[quote=MTK;1269788]How about just throw the ball away[/quote]

If Wright doesn't get out of position and tip that ball, we likely have it 1st and goal on a 9 play 60+ yard drive in the 2nd quarter with a chance to go up 7-6.

In fact, Wright's defender fell down and Wright had the whole middle of the field to range in, and he heads right towards the spot another receiver was designed to be.