Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

My chips are in. Let's get the piece we need. As many have said the window on the D line is probably 3-4 years. Ok mentioned we can spend the next 3 1st rounders on QB and they could all be misses let's get the real deal and see what we can do. The division is in chaos and surprisingly we have seemed to have weathered a tremendously tumultuous season even for Washington standards. I get being shell shocked by going after a new shiny toy in FA but this just feels different.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1273828]I think the staff have 3 keys to decide how they approach the draft, FA and any trade option, and in this order:

1) How likely are we to have a desirable QB available at 19 without any trading up?
2) What capability do we have to trade up without giving up too much capitol?
3) If we can't get a QB at 19 (and don't see starter material in a lower pick), who is available via FA or trade that could start for at least 2 years while we look at future drafts for a long term successor?

Way I see it there are 6 teams above us that would probably take a good QB if available at their slot (I discount Jax as it's probably nailed on they take Lawrence) but I'm not sure I see any of them desperate enough to trade any further up. I'd say the Bears might trade up if they see an opportunity to get their guy. To me that says it's highly unlikely that any of the top 3 prospects are available at 19, maybe even top 4 are gone, so it's highly likely that the answer to 1 is very unlikely.

While we haven't thrown away picks recently so have some capitol to trade up, to me we'd need to be trading with maybe the Jets (very expensive) Falcons (not much cheaper) or 49ers to get a good prospect with their pick. I believe that even with an above average QB we could be competing for the East crown for 2-3 years, so our future draft position is likely to be mid round. We'd have to therefore give up more picks than a team like the Panthers to move up. And we really don't want a RG3 Mk2 trade to happen. I therefore think our capability to trade up is limited (without giving away too much).

FA is limited. I only see Fitz as a possible successful 2 year starter, assuming Heinicke isn't cut out for QB1. The other options don't hold out much promise as they haven't shown any real success or are basically too old/immobile. Which would leave us with a trade, but I only see a feasible trade being Stafford or Ryan at this point and neither will come cheap (I too would love Watson but I'd say its a miracle if we could get him for much less than an entire draft worth of picks). So if we trade for either of them, we could be trading away our picks that would fetch a future franchise QB in '21 or '22.

I can't help thinking that without a massive (and dumb?) trade, we will be best served bringing in an FA to compete with Heinicke for the #1 slot this camp, then try to get a diamond in the rough development project in lower rounds, or target a guy in the 22 draft. I believe if he's still here, Smith may well be able to get our man in round 2 or 3 this year without selling off our draft.[/quote]

I keep seeing that this team, namely the defense, is "close". I beg to differ. They won a terrible division - someone had to win it. Hell, if they didn't end up beating Philly, who did all they could to give us the game, the Giants would have won the division with six wins... They played a soft schedule. 5 of the 7 wins came against backup QBs. Most teams outside this terrible division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. While I believe this team is headed in the right direction, I am not agreeable to the idea that they are "close". Too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball, including the most important one - QB.

Fact is, with their current draft position, this team will have to trade up if they want to draft a highly rated QB prospect this year. I'd rather use that #19 pick for a top O lineman, DB, LB, or WR (if they don't get Robinson, Davis, Godwin, or Samuel via FA), and use the rest of the draft to stay young - BPA all the way through.

So to me, the immediate "fix" for the QB position is via free agency this year. I'm on the Tyrod Taylor train personally, but would not be mad if they went after Andy Dalton. Either guy would be an immediate upgrade, and could stabilize that position for the next 2-3 years while the future QB is groomed, and without giving up multiple picks and/or players.

I honestly do not get the Ryan Fitzpatrick love. Dude has a lot of experience, but there's a reason he has played for 25% of the teams in the league. He has a losing record, and he turns the ball over too much.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=davy;1273835]Wise words, people seem to think we are on the verge of a Super Bowl run.

Just to remind everyone, we finished 7-9 this year and that flattered us greatly with 6 of our 7 wins coming against teams who won 6 or fewer games and the other against a slumping Steelers team who won 1 of their last 5.

Let's just have a sensible low-key offseason please. :)[/quote]

Weve had sensible low key offseasons for a few years now. We had 22.4M in unused cap this year, 12.7M in unused cap for 2019.

I understand saving some cap to roll over into next season .. but you cant just keep doing that in perpetuity. Arent we building up cap savings to strike when the irons hot? We have one more year with Allen under contract. 2 more years of Payne and Matty I.

Very reasonable to assume that once we find our QB1, LB, CB2 and WR2 ... given the state of the NFCE .. we should be perennial NFCE champs for the next 2-3 years, fighting it out with the NYG.

Being the playoffs greatly increases your chances of a superbowl vs not being in the playoffs.

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[quote=Chico23231;1273843]Full court press on Matt Stafford...If not, Matt Ryan

Derek Carr, Fitz would be my fallback

Dak, Watson...just not happening folks.

I would be strongest opposed to bringing in Cam. Love the guy, but don’t want him here[/quote]

Fuck Ryan and Carr they suck in big games, no thanks.

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[quote=SunnySide;1273851]Weve had sensible low key offseasons for a few years now. We had 22.4M in unused cap this year, 12.7M in unused cap for 2019.

I understand saving some cap to roll over into next season .. but you cant just keep doing that in perpetuity. Arent we building up cap savings to strike when the irons hot? We have one more year with Allen under contract. 2 more years of Payne and Matty I.

Very reasonable to assume that once we find our QB1, LB, CB2 and WR2 ... given the state of the NFCE .. we should be perennial NFCE champs for the next 2-3 years, fighting it out with the NYG.

Being the playoffs greatly increases your chances of a superbowl vs not being in the playoffs.[/quote]

With DAK coming back, the Cowboys offense is legit and with a couple of moves on defense (including getting their guys healthy) they will be much improved . . . same for Philly, they had a ton of injuries this year, but with improved QB play and getting some guys back healthy they could also be much improved . . . the Giants also have some pieces in place and should be getting healthier as well, if they shore up their o-line they'd be dangerous too . . . So we need to improve, especially at QB, WR and LB if we want to keep on top of the division. Mark my words, the NFC EAST will be vastly better next year.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

@Chief - I'm not sure anyone 'loves' Fitz, but looking at the list of FA's this year, he's the only one I'd say gives you confidence he can lead an offense to wins (and arguably his 2 best seasons have come in the last 3 years). Maybe Heinicke is the answer, but he's a risk (injury) so we need a vet to start or cover for him. Allen isn't the guy I want for that as he just looks meh, though I don't see another FA that looks better aside from Fitz. At least Fitz/Heinicke would make our offense less one dimensional for now.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1273854]@Chief - I'm not sure anyone 'loves' Fitz, but looking at the list of FA's this year, he's the only one I'd say gives you confidence he can lead an offense to wins (and arguably his 2 best seasons have come in the last 3 years). Maybe Heinicke is the answer, but he's a risk (injury) so we need a vet to start or cover for him. Allen isn't the guy I want for that as he just looks meh, though I don't see another FA that looks better aside from Fitz. At least Fitz/Heinicke would make our offense less one dimensional for now.[/quote]

Again, he has a losing record (bigly), and he turns the ball over too much.

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Guys like Tyrod Taylor, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, etc. all good guys if you want to go 8-8 or 9-7. Might as well ride with Allen and Heinicke.

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[quote=MTK;1273856]Guys like Tyrod Taylor, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, etc. all good guys if you want to go 8-8 or 9-7. Might as well ride with Allen and Heinicke.[/quote]

Yeah no thanks

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Well, assuming Alex retires, if RR can find a way to pluck Watson or Stafford away, or even lure Dak - that's obviously going to be best for your QB situation (over Tyrod, Fitz, Dalton, etc). If they can do that and still find a way to fill out the other glaring holes on the team, then go for it. If not - I'm not a fan. You can get elite QB play and still suck if the rest of your team is sub-par (see Houston). While this team has a great D line, it's the only great position group. Lotta holes to fill still.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

We're all over the map here on preferences for the QB situation.

1. Trade for Stafford, Heinicke as backup, Montez as practice squad
2. Sit at 19 and take the best QB available (if one of the top 5 falls to us), Heinicke as possible starter if rookie is not ready yet, Montez as practice squad
3. Heinicke as starter, bring back Kyle Allen to back him up, draft development QB later in the draft, Montez on practice squad if there is room

Those would be my preferences in order.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=SkinsGuru;1273853]With DAK coming back, the Cowboys offense is legit and with a couple of moves on defense (including getting their guys healthy) they will be much improved . . . same for Philly, they had a ton of injuries this year, but with improved QB play and getting some guys back healthy they could also be much improved . . . the Giants also have some pieces in place and should be getting healthier as well, if they shore up their o-line they'd be dangerous too . . . So we need to improve, especially at QB, WR and LB if we want to keep on top of the division. Mark my words, the NFC EAST will be vastly better next year.[/quote]

We should have an NFCE offseason thread .. but Im waiting to see what the cap is for 2021, minimum is 175M but could be anywhere form there to 195M.

Cowboys - that O line is not what it used to be. C Frederick is retired, Lt Smith had season ending neck surgery and hes not what he used to be, G martin is still a stud at 30 but went on IR this year.

Zeke, D Law and Jaylon Smith are vastly overpaid. Vander Esch cant stay healthy and their D starters and depth are below average.

Eagles - old as hell with few young guys to replace them. Fletcher Cox, Kelce, Ertz are gone or old.

I feel good about those 2 teams.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1273860]We're all over the map here on preferences for the QB situation.

1. Trade for Stafford, Heinicke as backup, Montez as practice squad
2. Sit at 19 and take the best QB available (if one of the top 5 falls to us), Heinicke as possible starter if rookie is not ready yet, Montez as practice squad
3. Heinicke as starter, bring back Kyle Allen to back him up, draft development QB later in the draft, Montez on practice squad if there is room

Those would be my preferences in order.[/quote]

yeah thats where Im at as well. If you cant get a clear upgrade in FA/reasonable trade, then see if a Mac Jones or Trey Lance drops to 19, if none of those two .. then roll with a Heinike/Allen/affordable FA type (fitz/tyrod taylor/jimmy G) and basically repeat 2020.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1273860]We're all over the map here on preferences for the QB situation.

1. Trade for Stafford, Heinicke as backup, Montez as practice squad
2. Sit at 19 and take the best QB available (if one of the top 5 falls to us), Heinicke as possible starter if rookie is not ready yet, Montez as practice squad
3. Heinicke as starter, bring back Kyle Allen to back him up, draft development QB later in the draft, Montez on practice squad if there is room

Those would be my preferences in order.[/quote]

We are, yes. However, I trust that RR is not. I'm sure he has a plan that he will communicate to DS, and he will be given his blessing to implement that plan accordingly. We'll just have to wait and see what that plan is.

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I'm gonna watch Trey Lance highlights tonight. I think he is our most reasonable option at 19. I think Mac Jones will jump him in the order of how they're drafted. Which I think I would prefer for us, based on Lance's running ability.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

If I'm the coach for the team, this would be my plan for the QB position:

1. Resign Heinicke and Allen
2. Check in with Texans to see if Watson is available for a trade. If so, it depends on what Texans want but I would be tempted to give up a farm for him.
3. Check in with Lions to see what it would take to get Stafford. This is probably the best option at this point since the WFT have multiple needs all over the team, and we would give up much less for Stafford than we would for Watson.
3. If the #2 and #3 options don't work out, I would establish a open QB competition between Heinicke, Allen and a rookie QB.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=GridIron26;1273868]If I'm the coach for the team, this would be my plan for the QB position:

1. Resign Heinicke and Allen
2. Check in with Texans to see if Watson is available for a trade. If so, it depends on what Texans want but I would be tempted to give up a farm for him.
3. Check in with Lions to see what it would take to get Stafford. This is probably the best option at this point since the WFT have multiple needs all over the team, and we would give up much less for Stafford than we would for Watson.
3. If the #2 and #3 options don't work out, I would establish a open QB competition between Heinicke, Allen and a rookie QB.[/quote]

I am with u on these, I don't see Ron playing a rookie QB next yr.. Unless it was TLAW and that ain't happening.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Mac Jones is going to be very interesting. In most mock drafts I see he is going in the 1st or 2nd round. But on a lot of prospects rankings he is graded as a 3rd+ rounder. Pretty far off. I think he could fall to 19 but definitely isn't making it to 51.

Wonder if we can possibly have another Montez Sweat situation where we trade back up into the end of the 1st if he's still available. Lose a pick but gain another year of control.

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After the Championship game, Jones is not going to fallout of the first round.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1273882]I am with u on these, I don't see Ron playing a rookie QB next yr.. Unless it was TLAW and that ain't happening.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Ohioskins;1273915]After the Championship game, Jones is not going to fallout of the first round.[/quote]

Check out the tweet from SteveNFL_ from about an hour ago. Fat cigar smoking frat keggar boi isn’t going to do anything at the NFL level.

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He reminds me of Eli Manning

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Heineken, so, eff you all.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Win now mentality is fine if the team was actually mature or had all the pieces. Just fucking draft around Heineken and sign FA's around Allen and Heineken or something and go from there. Old qbs... draft dream gambles... yall sound like fuckin Dan.. Goodnight.

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[quote=Meks;1273934]Heineken, so, eff you all.[/quote]

This seems a tad aggressive. I don't think anyone here has done anything but praised Heinicke for his performance. Some of us just worry more about his durability than others. It's not a slight on him, it's a legitimate concern.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Also, who in they right fucking mind would even consider Dak?........ bro I'm tryna go to bed and had a few.drinks and it's about that time.but FOR FUCK SAKES... yall make me wanna grab a beer and a bowl before bed Holy shit.... Dan Jr's in here man I swear. Yes.i get the $$ for the D but.... don't make.stupid signings like fucking Landon Collins in the first place. Smh. Wtf man. Draft players. Serviceable albeit prolly BALLER future qb but no... let's just brush that aside and shop for something shiny. Fuck your durability concerns I'd rather save the money with the guys we have and draft players around Heineken. Yall pissing me off. Lol...

Love yall #Httr4life

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1273937]This seems a tad aggressive. I don't think anyone here has done anything but praised Heinicke for his performance. Some of us just worry more about his durability than others. It's not a slight on him, it's a legitimate concern.[/quote]

Take it with a grain of salt and plenty of sarcasm including my above post.. no hate just venting and opinoons. 😀

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[quote=Meks;1273939]Take it with a grain of salt and plenty of sarcasm including my above post.. no hate just venting and opinoons. 😀[/quote]

Oh no worries at all. Go Team!!

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[quote=Meks;1273934]Heineken, so, eff you all.[/quote]

Get off his nuts bro lmao no, I like him too and I do think he'll be on the team.. I just don't think Ron will have him as his QB1

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273996][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErnkOeKXUAcicMU?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG][/quote]

I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273996][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErnkOeKXUAcicMU?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG][/quote]

Guess we'll be seeing a lot of these memes for the next couple months...

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[quote=mooby;1273998]I would do that deal in a heartbeat.[/quote]

Would the Falcons do it though ... ?

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For some reason I doubt it. A 1st might be more like it.

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Im not giving up a 1st (19) for Stafford and def not for Matt "Ill be 36 and starting my 13th season" Ryan.

Lots of "unknown future events" will happen between now and March. I want to see who is made a FA or on the discounted trade block and I think Stafford/Ryan etc should be discounted imo.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=SunnySide;1274016]Im not giving up a 1st (19) for Stafford and def not for Matt "Ill be 36 and starting my 13th season" Ryan.

Lots of "unknown future events" will happen between now and March. I want to see who is made a FA or on the discounted trade block and I think Stafford/Ryan etc should be discounted imo.[/quote]

Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274020]Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?[/quote]

3rd and a 5th or if forced a 4th.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274022]3rd and a 5th or if forced a 4th.[/quote]

lol . . . i'd offer that . . . no way Lions will take it though

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

At 32 Stafford would be a great addition, and Stafford/McLaurin would be amazing.

I would absolutely give up our first round (not much more) because you are getting a known franchise qb to guide our offense for the next 6 to 10 years based on current qb trends.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274022]3rd and a 5th or if forced a 4th.[/quote]

We had to give up Kendall Fuller for an older (and no offense to Alex Smith, but he was never on Stafford's level) and worse quarterback. Literally no way we give up that little.